• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

The Pope and head of the Russian Orthodox Church release statement against gay marria

Status
Not open for further replies.

beast786

Member
The statement, consisting of 30 points, holds wide-reaching significance for Catholics and followers of the Orthodox Church.
The main message of the statement seems to be the reconciliation of the Orthodox and Catholic churches.
Pope Francis (L) and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill (C), sign documents after a historic meeting next to Cuban President Raul Castro (4-R) in Havana on February 12, 2016. Pope Francis and Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill kissed each other and sat down together Friday at Havana airport for the first meeting between their two branches of the church in nearly a thousand years.


However, as well as a coming together of the two denominations, the statement condemns war in the middle east and the persecution of Christians.
Going on, the statement says Pope Francis and Kirill are “concerned” about Christians being “confronted by restrictions to religious freedom”.
Secular societies are next on the list, saying that Christians face “outright discrimination”, and that they are faced by an “often very aggressive secularist society”.



The pair urge Europe to “remain faithful to its Christian roots”, and calls on European Christians to be more outspoken about their faith.
In a similar vein to many statements made by the churches, the “family” was high on the agenda.
One point calls family the “natural center of human life and society”, but they say they are “concerned about the crisis in the family in many countries”.
They then say that “the family is based on marriage, an act of freely given and faithful love between a man and a woman.”
The Pope and the Patriarch are apparently worried that the “biblical tradition, of paternity and maternity as the distinct vocation of man and woman in marriage is being banished from the public conscience.”
Pope Francis (L) and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill (R), approach to kiss during a historic meeting in Havana on February 12, 2016. Pope Francis and Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill kissed each other and sat down together Friday at Havana airport for the first meeting between their two branches of the church in nearly a thousand years.



Patriarch Kirill in 2013 condemned the advance of marriage equality in the West, calling it a symptom of the apocalypse.



The Russian Orthodox Church has been a key supporter of Russia’s anti-gay law, and Patriarch Kirill maintained the Church’s view that homosexuality is a sin – although he has cautioned against punishing people for their sexuality.
In 2009 he told an interviewer: “We respect the person’s free choice, including in sex relations.”
Pope Francis last month attacked same-sex marriage and civil unions, ahead of a debate in the Italian Senate at introducing civil unions for same-sex couples.
He said: “There can be no confusion between the family God wants and any other type of union.
“The family, founded on indissoluble matrimony that unites and allows procreation, is part of God’s dream and that of his Church for the salvation of humanity,” he added.





http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/02/1...ment-against-gay-marriage/?platform=hootsuite
 
tumblr_lldl42imRg1qclvq3.gif


Gay Maria is best Maria..


Thought the pope was down.
 

mclem

Member
Anyone else do a quick double-take at a line in that first paragraph?

The statement, consisting of 30 points, holds wide-reaching significance for Catholics and followers of the Orthodox Church.
The main message of the statement seems to be the reconciliation of the Orthodox and Catholic churches.
Pope Francis (L) and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill (C), sign documents after a historic meeting next to Cuban President Raul Castro (4-R) in Havana on February 12, 2016. Pope Francis and Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill kissed each other and sat down together Friday at Havana airport for the first meeting between their two branches of the church in nearly a thousand years.

Actions speak louder than words.
 

Ogodei

Member
Bad idea for the Pope to get on board with this. I get the opposition to gay marriage (even if i very much disagree, Pope's gotta Pope), but he should not be tacitly endorsing Putin's agenda of harassment and intimidation by cosigning with the Russian Orthodox Church on this. Especially by having the Russians effectively talk down to Europe about remembering their roots with their human rights record.

It's not worth the amity between denominations to tie yourselves in with a group that's very much in bed with a near-dictator.
 
Feel like this is burying the lead here... Yes, both the Catholic Church and Russian Orthodox Church are against gay marriage, this hasn't changed.

But, the big story here is that this is first meeting of a Pope and the head of the Russian Orthodox church ever -- a schism that's lasted for over 950 years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/w...ric-meeting-with-russian-orthodox-leader.html

The meeting was richly symbolic: Francis, 79, leader of the world’s 1.2 billion Roman Catholics, stood with Kirill, 69, leader of the largest church in the Eastern Orthodox world, with an estimated 150 million followers. But it was also about geopolitics, rivalries among Orthodox leaders and, analysts say, the maneuverings of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia — who is closely aligned with the conservative Russian church.

For Francis, the meeting was an ecumenical and diplomatic coup that eluded his predecessors but that also opened him to criticism that his embrace of the Russian patriarch would indirectly give a boost to Mr. Putin as he wages a war in Syria and continues to meddle in Ukraine.

In Moscow, the Russian news media made little effort to hide the government’s role in enabling the historic encounter. In an editorial this week, Vedomosti, a business newspaper, said, “The meeting would not be possible if the interests of the Russian Orthodox Church did not coincide with those of the Kremlin.”

The Cuban setting was the result of months of negotiations, abetted by Mr. Castro. It met the demands of the Russian side for a “neutral” meeting place while dovetailing with Francis’ trip to Mexico.

It also has deep significance outside of Catholic or Orthodox circles. Geopolitically...

For decades, the Vatican has sought a meeting with the Russian patriarch as popes tried to heal the rifts between the Eastern and Western branches of Christianity. Analysts say Francis, who has made deepening ecumenical ties a centerpiece of his papacy, was able to achieve a meeting because of a complex confluence of factors.

Analysts note that Mr. Putin could have blocked the meeting but apparently concluded that it could burnish his global standing and undermine Western efforts to isolate Russia with sanctions over the Ukraine conflict. Mr. Putin has sought to portray Russia as a defender of beleaguered Christians in the Middle East, including in Syria as he props up the regime of President Bashar al-Assad.
 
Feel like this is burying the lead here... Yes, both the Catholic Church and Russian Orthodox Church are against gay marriage, this hasn't changed.

But, the big story here is that this is first meeting of a Pope and the head of the Russian Orthodox church ever -- a schism that's lasted for over 950 years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/w...ric-meeting-with-russian-orthodox-leader.html



It also has deep significance outside of Catholic or Orthodox circles. Geopolitically...

If this is the result of the Catholic and Russian Orthodox church reconcilling, then I'd rather they just stay seperated. Almost a thousand years of waiting, and this drivel is what we're served. Fuck them both.
 

BeesEight

Member
Sometimes people forget that he is still the pope, the head of the Catholic church and not a crusader for liberal ideology.

Sometimes? All I've been hearing is how marvelous Francis is from family and they're not even Catholic. It's been nothing but "he's what the world really needs right now." I've known that he was against gay marriage but I'm glad to get some definitive quotes on the matter so my complaints won't be off-handedly dismissed anymore.
 

kiguel182

Member
Lol at Europe having to respect it's Christian roots.

Anyway, the Pope is homophobic. Nothing new here. They want their old ways while the rest of the world moves on. The more secular is our society the better we are as far as I'm concerned.
 

kiguel182

Member
Feel like this is burying the lead here... Yes, both the Catholic Church and Russian Orthodox Church are against gay marriage, this hasn't changed.

But, the big story here is that this is first meeting of a Pope and the head of the Russian Orthodox church ever -- a schism that's lasted for over 950 years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/w...ric-meeting-with-russian-orthodox-leader.html



It also has deep significance outside of Catholic or Orthodox circles. Geopolitically...

The lead here is exactly those homophobic views.

The fact that those got together just to spill hate and outdated views is more important than whatever beef those religions have had for 900+ years.
 

kavanf1

Member
What on earth is aggressive secularism?


Edit: here's the full section of their statement:

At the same time, we are concerned about the situation in many countries in which Christians are increasingly confronted by restrictions to religious freedom, to the right to witness to one’s convictions and to live in conformity with them. In particular, we observe that the transformation of some countries into secularized societies, estranged from all reference to God and to His truth, constitutes a grave threat to religious freedom. It is a source of concern for us that there is a current curtailment of the rights of Christians, if not their outright discrimination, when certain political forces, guided by an often very aggressive secularist ideology, seek to relegate them to the margins of public life.

And this is also noteworthy:

The family is based on marriage, an act of freely given and faithful love between a man and a woman. It is love that seals their union and teaches them to accept one another as a gift. Marriage is a school of love and faithfulness. We regret that other forms of cohabitation have been placed on the same level as this union, while the concept, consecrated in the biblical tradition, of paternity and maternity as the distinct vocation of man and woman in marriage is being banished from the public conscience.

21. We call on all to respect the inalienable right to life. Millions are denied the very right to be born into the world. The blood of the unborn cries out to God (cf. Gen 4:10).

The emergence of so-called euthanasia leads elderly people and the disabled begin to feel that they are a burden on their families and on society in general.

We are also concerned about the development of biomedical reproduction technology, as the manipulation of human life represents an attack on the foundations of human existence, created in the image of God. We believe that it is our duty to recall the immutability of Christian moral principles, based on respect for the dignity of the individual called into being according to the Creator’s plan.

Thank goodness the leading holders of such backward ideologies are feeling threatened. Long may it continue.
 
The funnier thing is how the catholic church is always worried about persecution to christians and christianism. It's ridiculous and even hypocrite in a lot of ways.
 
Feel like this is burying the lead here... Yes, both the Catholic Church and Russian Orthodox Church are against gay marriage, this hasn't changed.

But, the big story here is that this is first meeting of a Pope and the head of the Russian Orthodox church ever -- a schism that's lasted for over 950 years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/w...ric-meeting-with-russian-orthodox-leader.html



It also has deep significance outside of Catholic or Orthodox circles. Geopolitically...

I'm glad the schism could be mended over their mutual disregard for human rights.
 
If they will mend the schism or not depends a lot in the catholic church letting go of the papal infallibility dogma. If they can offer that before the Holy and Great Council of the Orthodox Church later this year, They have a chance .
 
So they make a statement that they're concerned about christians being restricted in their freedom while advocating the restriction of freedom for others?
What?
 

Pau

Member
So they make a statement that they're concerned about christians being restricted in their freedom while advocating the restriction of freedom for others?
What?
Other people having non-Christian freedoms is a restriction on their own freedom apparently.
 
Anyway, the Pope is homophobic. Nothing new here. They want their old ways while the rest of the world moves on. The more secular is our society the better we are as far as I'm concerned.
I don't think the Pope himself is homophobic, although the Catholic Church certainly is. I imagine that Francis would be happy for people that love and are committed to each other. He seems to take an ironic who-am-I-to-say? stance in his conversations, rather than the written pronouncements.
that ended when he said you can hit your kids but not in places it shows.
You think there are GAFers who don't also think this?
 

Griss

Member
How about a crusader for equality and progress? That would be nice.

The entire basis of Christianity is following the divine laws set down in a 2,000 year old book, and never deviating from them. Progress is anathema to religion. If you're looking for progress you've come to the wrong place.

In fact, progress would be a sign of flexibility, and if that's the case - if the laws of religion are not divine and immutable, but human and subject to change - then what's the point of religion at all?

Dude has to stick to his guns; the entire fantasy depends on it.
 

MrOogieBoogie

BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
I don't see why this is surprising to anyone. The Pope represents the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is very vocal about its beliefs. It won't just change its beliefs overnight.
 
It's consistent with the Church's doctrine as I understand it, so no surprise here.

I don't see why this is surprising to anyone. The Pope represents the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is very vocal about its beliefs. It won't just change its beliefs overnight.

Which is precisely what is expected by a certain amount of its believers, I guess. I'd even argue that in a society where change is the norm, there is a need for at least one institution where said change is processed, digested slower, more patiently.
 
There's something deeply sickening about hearing religious leaders speak of "discrimination" and "secular aggression". Go look in a mirror you vile, slimey cunts.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom