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It must feature a Steam gamepad first of all.So what should a Steam console be? Use whatever controllers you want
Console is a console, not a bunch of random parts, glued together!
It must feature a Steam gamepad first of all.So what should a Steam console be? Use whatever controllers you want
The downside is the upfront cost of hardware development that they would never get back. A cost so big that there is no justification for it. You don't see the down side because you are not paying for the hardware development. In fact it is even worse because you wouldn't even buy extra games to make up for it. You would be buying the same amount of steam games as before so there is no actual profit from Valve's side.I don't see a downside to launching a Steam Deck 2 and a Steam "console" at the same time.
Steam is the King, the other guys would beg to be on the console.If they lock it down to Steam it'll fail.
If they allow Epic Games Store, Gamepass, GOG, it'll be a success, as long as it's priced correctly.
You do realize the SteamDeck docks to televisions and can use DualSense controllers?I don't own a Steam Deck personally. And I dislike handheld game systems. My eyes aren't as good as they once were and I don't want to have to where glasses or sit in an awkward position to get an optimal viewing angle of a small screen.
The downside is the upfront cost of hardware development that they would never get back. A cost so big that there is no justification for it. You don't see the down side because you are not paying for the hardware development. In fact it is even worse because you wouldn't even buy extra games to make up for it. You would be buying the same amount of steam games as before so there is no actual profit from Valve's side.
The Steam Deck was a seeding crystal, to create a small market of portable PCs for gaming, and they largely achieved that without having to make and sell the Deck to everyone. The other PC handhelds would make them money without Valve paying them.
There will eventually be a reason to make a Deck2, it just is no where near soon. All the improvements you could make would sacrifice battery life. Until there is actually enough improvements there is no reason to make decks. The same with PS6. We are waiting for tech to improve, until then the Deck is good enough. We are talking 4 years minimum.So you are saying there would also be no point to a Deck 2 since Deck 1 has already accomplished the goal of acting as a "seeding crystal"?
Yes, if a console is out of the question, I was holding out hope for like a Steam Deck 2 cause in its current form its a bit too under powered for what I would want it for.You do realize the SteamDeck docks to televisions and can use DualSense controllers?
Steam is the King, the other guys would beg to be on the console.
That would be great. If that became an option down the line, I would be all for it.I am more interested in a SteamOS release generalized for PC's.
I was just being a little stupid there lol. You know what sucks with Steam and Proton is that you have to wait for a new to be verified or not verified.To really succeed among the mainstream they would need to drop the walls I think. I googled on it and even big ones like Fortnite can't be played on Steam Deck currently from what I can tell, something about Linux and anti-cheat, and no Gamepass either. The solution seems to be streaming, ugh. And they would need a greatly upgraded Steam Machine verified and Proton conversion system. It's very offputting to see info that a game have issues when you're about to play it like how it is for me with Steam Deck. I assume Steam Machines would be similar; SteamOS, Linux based, somewhat weak hardware and no to the metal optimization, sometimes input issues. Those are the biggest issues they need to sort out.
I think that AMD Strix performs close enough to a 4060. The real kicker isn't going to be the cutting edge graphics, but the enormous scale of the library and no-monthly-fee online gaming. GAF has it wrong when they say the only appeal to PC is bleeding edge graphics. That's pretty low on the list for me. Infinite backwards compatibility and being able to make your own 60fps patch along with super cheap game pricing is the real kicker.Eh, I don't know.
They can't sell it with the same low profit margins as a normal console, so it's likely going to be more expensive. If they try to keep it under, say, $1000 it's probably not even going to perform particularly better than consoles.
So you'll have a device that's more expensive while not offering better performance or graphics and require more tinkering to get everything running properly too. The freedom in accessories and perks like free multiplayer and cheaper games might attract some players, but I don't know how many.
Now of course they can make it more expensive, substantially more powerful than consoles and fully upgradable. But at t hat point it's just pre built PC with a Steam sticker on it.
The other option is to essentially make a non portable Steamdeck. A small box you connect to your TV or monitor and offers the same experience as a Steamdeck but without the portability. Which could be a nice little device to play indies, emulators and some less demanding AA and AAA.
If I am not mistaken, I remember the rumors the Steam Deck would let one wirelessly use the new VR headset.I'd rather the Deck 2 have a much more robust docking experience.
Higher clocks on mains power, external GPU support. Let me use it as a full blown console.
I think that was really more Namco Bandi than Apple if I am not mistaken. Apple just failed in the marketing.For some wacky reasons, I actually want Apple make a new video game console rather than valve Lmao
And yes, I know pippin was exist, but yet again Apple in 90's is way different than Apple in 2020's![]()
bandai only, both company didn't merge until 2005.I think that was really more Namco Bandi than Apple if I am not mistaken. Apple just failed in the marketing.
Steamdeck had competition from outdated af first switch yet still barely sold few milion copies, man, steam mashine has competition from stationary consoles whole desptop and laptop market, it stands no chance.
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I'm sure that 99 percent of individuals who have bought a Steam Deck have given Valve back at least twice what they paid for it in game sales. (Raises hand in shame). Valve doesn't really need to do much.Pointless IMO. They are not gonna subsidize a mass market product. Just keep plugging away at SteamOS until it can be used as a legit desktop OS and let others handle the hardware. Small form factor PCs have been a thing for a very long time at this point.
You can only buy Steam Deck directly through Steam. Not even Microcenter or the like carries it. It was made to be a niche product and I'm sure they're happy with sales. Vast majority of Steam Deck owners love them and it keeps getting support. Kind of dumb to compare it to what will be the best selling console of all time.
I actually used a docked Steam Deck as my living room PC before I built a dedicated living room PC, so I have real experience of the ups and downs. I don't think those who're 100% positive have any real experience. Even Steam with big picture mode in Windows have it's issues; you have to go out of Steam and into other stores to install games, add the games manually into Steam, add art manually, no playtime shown, no achievements shown, no screenshot library shown, games are placed in a separate non-Steam section of the library.I was just being a little stupid there lol. You know what sucks with Steam and Proton is that you have to wait for a new to be verified or not verified.
I remember there was an initiative a while back to have games verified before they released but I think one game was the result of it. I even forgot the game.
Steam OS is fine for gaming, but it will never compete with Windows or Mac OS on the productivity front if you have to reboot to the Desktop like that. I can't even get the Desktop to show on my monitor correctly if I switch to it and it sucks doing anything on that end of the OS on that screen.I actually used a docked Steam Deck as my living room PC before I built a dedicated living room PC, so I have real experience of the ups and downs. I don't think those who're 100% positive have any real experience. Even Steam with big picture mode in Windows have it's issues; you have to go out of Steam and into other stores to install games, add the games manually into Steam, add art manually, no playtime shown, no achievements shown, no screenshot library shown, games are placed in a separate non-Steam section of the library.
And going with Steam-only is too limited and essentially like accepting a console-like walled garden. Not for me.
For me it's not about productivity, unless we include modding into that. It's all about not having full convenient access to other stores libraries that I use. If I could just log into other stores and still stay within Steam to install and play and have all the info there it would be fine. Like Playnite but with Valve's slick UI and user experience.Steam OS is fine for gaming, but it will never compete with Windows or Mac OS on the productivity front if you have to reboot to the Desktop like that. I can't even get the Desktop to show on my monitor correctly if I switch to it and it sucks doing anything on that end of the OS on that screen.
I was thinking if the console never comes out, I might just use something like POP OS on a mini pc and enable proton. But I'm sure there are ups and downs there as well.
Have you tried Heroic Launcher? I have GOG through there.For me it's not about productivity, unless we include modding into that. It's all about not having full convenient access to other stores libraries that I use. If I could just log into other stores and still stay within Steam to install and play and have all the info there it would be fine. Like Playnite but with Valve's slick UI and user experience.
There will eventually be a reason to make a Deck2, it just is no where near soon. All the improvements you could make would sacrifice battery life. Until there is actually enough improvements there is no reason to make decks. The same with PS6. We are waiting for tech to improve, until then the Deck is good enough. We are talking 4 years minimum.
No I basically only used Steam on Steam Deck, it's why it felt so limited. They're so close to have the ultimate gaming UI but when the PC market is so fractured it all falls apart for me. I know what I want but nobody is doing it all. It's very annoying tbh. Those who let you link other store accounts usually only let you browse your library. Why can't I get one UI that let me browse multiple stores, libraries, see my playtime and screens, purchase, install, play, manage my games? One UI to rule them all. Why is that so hard? Every store/launcher owner has to see that it's needed. So who's doing the blocking?Have you tried Heroic Launcher? I have GOG through there.
The consoles having exclusives isn't a big deal given that a steam console would always have more a shit ton more exclusives than the other 3 consoles combined.I will add that Microsoft and Sony gave Steam just the right amount of ammo to make a Steam console finally viable, since they started porting all their first party on PC for whatever reason.
So physical dying + Sony and MS consoles with no exclusives + prices rising + less choice over marketplaces and piracy (yes i said that) = why shouldn't I want a steam console.
And i love consoles and hate Steam mind you. But goddamnit consoles are straight up SHIT this generation.
Hardware via steam OS may end up being the main portal to Steam as MS looks to move away from console and regain control over Windows PC. Valve needs a way to decouple their platform from windows for this reason.Valve isn't at the mercy of their hardware to get people on their platform, so they could just make whatever they need to meet demand. Steam Deck is an option, its sales don't reflect the success of Steam as a platform. Sony and Nintendo on the other hand, need to sell hardware successfully because that is the portal to their stores.
So u agree potential of steam console is abysmall, just like steamdeck, few % of a market bestcase scenario, likely not even that.Pointless IMO. They are not gonna subsidize a mass market product. Just keep plugging away at SteamOS until it can be used as a legit desktop OS and let others handle the hardware. Small form factor PCs have been a thing for a very long time at this point.
You can only buy Steam Deck directly through Steam. Not even Microcenter or the like carries it. It was made to be a niche product and I'm sure they're happy with sales. Vast majority of Steam Deck owners love them and it keeps getting support. Kind of dumb to compare it to what will be the best selling console of all time.
So u agree potential of steam console is abysmall, just like steamdeck, few % of a market bestcase scenario, likely not even that.