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The Problem With The Steam Machine: Its Current Gen
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dcx4610
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I have a PS5 Pro but I don't touch it. I think having different libraries for games finally broke me. I just want a single library and different devices to play them on. PC is my main platform so if I buy Resident Evil Requiem, I don't have a desire to buy it twice. This solves that issue. I'd probably still bite on $800 but at that price, it would make me less excited.
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Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
CrazyJoeDavola
Neo Member
Maybe. Magnus is a niche product. Microsoft is not gonna sell 10 million of those. So the question is, how much can they leverage economy of scale to still make a profit since component prices are skyrocketing.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
One of the Steam Machine's advantages is that you don't have to pay extra for multiplayer games (though there is a current argument that the Steam Machine can't play some of the popular ones because of anti-cheat so...).
Switch 2: $19.99 / year
PlayStation 5: $79.99 / year
Xbox Series X: $74.99 / year
Steam Machine: $0 / year
And there is no way this thing is going to be $1000, if so I'll be the first one to tell you that it's DOA
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Your statement: The Xbox or PS5 can already play everything the Steam Machine can, in higher fidelity - mostly false.
His statement: Steam has a much bigger library especially when including abandonware and emulation - mostly true.
These statements are not at the same level of dismissiveness.
vaibhavpisal
Member
How much of a performance uplift can they bring in with a $599 box?
Gabe cube will be $499. An extra $100 and subsidy, not sure how much of a jump its gonna be.
Likely it will be due to improved architecture and upscaling.
I feel a proper next gen experience, it will have to be more expensive than that.
lastmessiah
Member
No it won't be.
MisterXDTV
Member
Gabecube is weaker than the 2020 base PS5,
LOL
PS5 Pro is on another planet already, and you are wondering about PS6?
Just stop trolling for God's sake
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HRK69
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You say that like you're delivering some absolute truth from on high
If you actually know something, say it
Otherwise you're just guessing louder than everyone else
lastmessiah
Member
Let me put it this way - I guarantee with 100% certainty without a shadow of a doubt that the Steam Machine will absolutely not be $499, not in this universe or any possible universe.
HRK69
Member
Wow, 100% certainty across all universes? Impressive. Too bad you didn't include even 1% of actual information to back it up
lastmessiah
Member
I used common sense and knowledge of the market. But you do you.
HRK69
Member
Just like I said; you're just guessing louder than everyone else
Thank you for the confirmation.
lastmessiah
Member
Knowing that it is bundled with a controller ($100-200 easily) the absolute lowest you can argue is $599. Anything under that is fantasy land.
Zannegan
Member
Sorry to throw my two cents in at the tail end of the conversation, but up to $200 for the controller? I know accessories have been going up in price, but not even Nintendo is charging that much for their new controllers.
With that said, your guess of $600 doesn't seem unreasonable to me if they're not trying to take a loss per box.
lastmessiah
Member
$200 at the high end but I would expect something like $150.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
So, out of date too.
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Fess
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You're underestimating the size of the subscription market. Even Ubisoft+ is probably bigger than the whole userbase for SteamOS.
Either way, have you tried a Steam Deck? That's likely what you'll get on Steam Machine. Great for Steam, less great for everything else… As said it'a not a closed platform but people will stick to Steam by default because it's what's on the UI.
I collect VHS tapes
Gold Member
Do people actually believe this? Guessing it's console gamers who have never played on PC/don't have a steam account?
Tons of the most popular games never get a console release (games like Megabonk) or at best we are promised a console release at some point, but we still haven't received it (games like Enshrouded)
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Microcenter is selling a PC with on par parts (desktop 7600 vs custom GPU, 8400F, 100MHz lower max boost) for $650 right now. That's just a retailer giving a bundle discount. You think Valve isn't coming under when they aren't playing wholesale prices for everything?
https://www.microcenter.com/product/698873/powerspec-g526-gaming-pc
Valve's unlikely to cut so close to the bone like they did with the Steam Deck. But that doesn't mean they are looking for a large profit margin. Especially if they still don't do direct sales rather than through retail. The comments about not doing subsidized console pricing can be taken the wrong way. Valve won't be selling the Steam Machine for under what it costs. But none of the consoles on the market are subsidized right now either. Historically consoles were sold at a small loss to get people into the ecosystem. But prices have gone up not down since launch.
Valve themselves won't know what price they'll end up releasing at. But you aren't say with absolute certainly they aren't trying their best to hit $499.
TikiLagoonSam
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Megabonk?? You mean the game that will run on any pc from the past decade or a "potato" according to Steam? You paying $800+ for this?
I collect VHS tapes
Gold Member
Huh? Where did I mention anything about paying $800 for it?Megabonk?? You mean the game that will run on any pc from the past decade or a "potato" according to Steam? You paying $800+ for this?
We are talking about your statement that all the games on steam are available on PlayStation and Xbox
What a weird way to try to pivot. What the hell are you even blabbering about?
Kacho
Gold Member
Thumb your nose at popular indies at your own peril. Most of the big indies every year are only found on Steam. It isn't until months/years later that they hit console, if ever.Megabonk?? You mean the game that will run on any pc from the past decade or a "potato" according to Steam? You paying $800+ for this?
I collect VHS tapes
Gold Member
Over / under until he starts shitting on indies simply because they don't fit his narrative that all games can be found on consoles?
Kacho
Gold Member
It's not even just indies. Outside of money hats, all AAs and AAAs hit Steam. Ten years ago games like Dragon Quest, Inazuma Eleven, Story of Seasons, etc would be out of the question on PC. Now they are all day and date.
In terms of having the most comprehensive game options, Steam is by far the best choice.
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
I'm not ignoring that, just think that is not relevant for what we are discussing.. Objectively this is a weak machine that doesn't bring any added value for console gamers let alone PC ones… will see but I think it will perform poorly even if they can price it aggressively..
TikiLagoonSam
Member
You are talking about games that are not on PS5 & Xbox that can be played on old ass hardware. Thats like saying " but you can play dvds on it". I'm the one that said $800 not you, and its the minimum this thing will cost you to play your old games you can already play on your old hardware. Not sure how you are so confused by this.
simpatico
Gold Member
There's also library size. Cue the graph representation of Steam machine library versus the competition. I don't think the flexibility of such a machine will fall on deaf ears either. Consoles were prized for their abilities to do other shit. Playstations especially. Ironically, this is one of Playstation's greatest shortcoming compared to the Steam Cube.
TikiLagoonSam
Member
Why would I shit on indies? Indies are great. Especially since they can already be played on any old ass pc, don't need to spend any extra $$$. Nobody is buying this thing for close to a grand or more, to play the old games they can already play on their old hardware.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yes the current PC offerings on the market are relevant. Steam Machine will be compared to other entry level PCs. Value is completely subjective. You can determine that for yourself, but no one else. And it is nearly impossible to do that at this point when we don't even have a price. Either way, no one should expect it to sell 10s of millions. Again, there are a slew of alternatives in the PC market which, again, is why the competition is relevant.
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I collect VHS tapes
Gold Member
Again, I, along with many others, are responding to your claim that all games on Steam are available on Xbox and PS5
I think by now you realized you had no idea what you are talking about, so you are pivoting to talk about how these can be played on old ass hardware. This has absolutely nothing to do with this statement you made:
Now you are talking about how you don't need a Steam machine to play these games.
This has nothing to do with your initial claim that these games are available on Xbox and PS since they are available on Steam.
Many others have pointed this out but you're too embarrassed to address your idiocy directly so you are just pivoting and talking about how these exceptions run on low hardware.
you are an embarrassing fool who legitimately thought PS and Xbox have access to the same library as Steam
embarrassing
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Topher
Identifies as young
Highly unlikely this will be price at "close to a grand or more".
I collect VHS tapes
Gold Member
you're talking to someone who thinks Steam and Playstation share the same game library
he has no idea what he is talking about
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
You're missing the market segment that has neither a gaming PC nor a console, and are looking to buy something to game on in their living room.
I actually know several people IRL that don't own a console (well, one guy I'm thinking of owns a Switch 1, if that counts), they play Steam games on their ancient laptop or own a Steam Deck, and are excited about the Steam Machine and have already asked me a bunch of questions about it.
As others have said, this isn't going to sell tens of millions of units. How well it does overall is going to depend a lot on how much they're charging for it. But it's probably going to have wider appeal than just people who game on consoles or high-end PCs and are looking for something better.
Topher
Identifies as young
Some folks should just stick to talking about consoles.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Why are people expecting this to be a four figure sum? Valve have explained they went with the 8GB VRAM option to make the device affordable.
Who in their right mind would pay over a grand for a mini PC that has weaker specs than consoles released in 2020?!
mckmas8808
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
One thing that we might consider, Sony games will port more efficiently on the Linux based Steam OS than Windows. Would be an interesting avenue to see happen.
ReBurn
Gold Member
There's no reason to discuss economy of scale regarding any console right now. Economy of scale only happens when there's cost savings gained at mass production scale. If components prices are constantly rising and increasing costs to the point where it affects profitability then there is no economy of scale. None of the console manufacturers are realizing profitability from economy of scale right now, even after selling tens of millions of units, as evidenced by prices going up and not down.
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
I think you're proving my point.. there are several alternatives in the market and looking at the steam machine there is nothing we can say at an hardware or even service level that makes the difference or bring anything new than the ones already present.. leaning on price to make a judgement on this machine already says a lot about it…
yet_another_alt
Member
Me: None. Not willing to go back to paying for online. And I don't want a Steam Machine. I'll probably just save to get a more powerful PC.
Everyone else: Probably the Switch 2.
Topher
Identifies as young
Your point is this is a "turd" regardless of its price. Repeatedly saying price is key in judging this PC is obviously at odds with that point.
Think it is time to agree to disagree on this.
Topher
Identifies as young
A bit absurd to pretend those are the only options.
Dirk Benedict
Member
When he said it was more powerful than x amount of pcs, he was probably using Steams survey metrics to help come to that conclusion. That's what I had come to mind when that quote kept making the rounds.Steam most popular GPU is 3060 and you are telling me steam box being current gen is a problem.
RainblowDash
Gold Member
Well then you better buy 10 so Valve doesn't go out of business.Bro, u realise steamdeck sold terribly, no? estimated 6m in early 2025 with prediction of another 2m by the end of 2025.
Steam Deck sales numbers are in, and they’re not as spectacular as I’d hope (but I do still have hope)
Sean Hollister writing for The Verge: Three Years Later, the Steam Deck Has Dominated Handheld PC Gaming Shipments Add it up, and that’s just under 6 million shipments in three years. One way to view that: it’s small and it’s not really growing. IDC’s forecasting underbirchtree.me
Compare it to utter commercial failure like wiiu that sold over 13m units...
Hell even dreamcast(god rest its beatiful arcade soul) sold over 9m units and it was discounted in march 2001 aka not even 2,5years after its japanese launch
Steamdeck will be avaiable for full 4 years in feb 2026 and yet its sales are what they are...
RafterXL
Member
Yes. Let's be real, the vast majority of people who would buy this machine are already using Steam. Why would they side grade for this? You can't even upgrade it. They took a snapshot of their average users computer and decided to replicate it, instead of making it better, which I think defeats the purpose. This is going to sell to Steam users who want a second box in their living room, or for their kids, it's not going to sell to the average Steam user, much less anyone else. Console gamers probably aren't going to switch, and a year later when more powerful consoles come out they definitely aren't going to switch.Steam most popular GPU is 3060 and you are telling me steam box being current gen is a problem.
And let's not pretend like Valve is infallible when it comes to hardware. The original Steam Machine was a failure, the Steam Link (hardware) was a failure, the Steam controller was a failure, the Steam Deck isn't exactly lighting the world on fire. The odds that this thing is going to be some huge success are minimal regardless of how many industry people and Linux fanboys want it to be.
No, it's not. The Steam Deck is the hybrid, the Steam Machine is literally just a PC. There is no "console" aspect to it, it's a PC with a different UI, which you can already use on your average desktop PC.