Seider
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We will see in a few years.
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Zathalus
Member
There are roughly around 700-800 PS4 Pro enhanced games out there. It took around 6 years to reach that point as well. Adding PSSR is easy true, but PS4 Pro literally just required something as simple as boosting your resolution. I doubt 600 would be reached that soon.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Say it louder, but they don't want to hear it.True they have.
Sony putting their 4K X-Reality PRO engine into its top end TVs back in 2013 were like Sifo-Dyas commissioning a clone army for the Grand Republic a decade before the war started
So IGN doesn't know dlss moved to a more general model because they were originally doing it all by AI and thus had to be trained per game. Then their logic jumps to nvidia not having enough data to train the model on, it's not like they don't have access to every big game coming to pc. How many years did that hack release data on the sony games coming to pc before it turned out pretty much true. If Intel could train xess models before even having a dgpu out in the wild I don't think it's as hard to get the game data as IGN makes out.
It required updating the game to the latest SDKs for that though - PSSR can be added without it.
Also way too many PS4Pro enhanced titles just did the bare minimum - getting any of the Pro specific enhancements (like CBR) was actually rare.
That's not how CBR that Sony introduced works - at all.
But all that aside - spatial algorithms(interpolators, and AI ones) are 'creating' new pixels - temporal algorithms (AA and upscalers alike) don't - the whole point is to reproject samples from previous frames, not create what never existed in the first place like a spatial algorithm does.
Gambit2483
Member
Would be hilarious if Nintendo's DLSS was "technically" the best use of it 
LordOcidax
Member
I cant wait to see Nvidia pushing native resolution again as a selling point 
True 4K in the Box.
True 4K in the Box.
Imtjnotu
Member
will the millions dumped into DLSS marketing it aint gonna happenI cant wait to see Nvidia pushing native resolution again as a selling point
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Would be hilarious if Nintendo's DLSS was "technically" the best use of it
More of a when than an if.
Why? If the Switch 2 is as successful as the Switch then there's no reason not to use DLSS. The switch is a closed system and the specs will be the same for the millions that will be sold.Would be hilarious if Nintendo's DLSS was "technically" the best use of it
kevboard
Member
Would be hilarious if Nintendo's DLSS was "technically" the best use of it
high chances that it will.
due to a set target resolution set by the developers, the DLSS implementation can be directly optimised not only for every game individually, but also exactly for the target resolution.
on PC every game needs to support dozens of different resolutions, and hundreds of target resolution + source resolution combinations.
on a dedicated console with full developer control the already great quality of DLSS can be fully adjusted for each game.
llien
Member
Also fairly dumb.Okay I flipped through the thread and didn't see the lowest hanging meme so:
Didn't say necessarily the best meme.
But the lowest hanging.
True AI upscaling, as in "you train AI on games and then it does sheisse" is dead (DLSS 1).
What folks are doing internally with glorified TAA derivatives, we don't possibly know.
Does "train AI network" lead to better results than procedural approach? Probably yes. Or possibly not. Nobody would tell us which part of it is procedural these days.
(Try to train an "AI network" to do basic math, cough. The thought that such networks is always the best approach is naive.)
Last, but not least, DLSS is NV's proprietary (as usual) so Sony could not use it.
We don't even know if "PS5 pro only" limitation is artificial, to nudge more people to upgrade.
It is outright to demand implementation details. Devs/consumers need upscaling that works well. Whether you sprinkle it with the latest marketing buzzwords to impress clueless, does not matter.
Pegasus Actual
Gold Member
llien
Member
That's hardly surprising.
Pegasus Actual
Gold Member
World's foremost expert in neural networks over here lost a non-existent argument to a meme and a gif.
Parazels
Member
Nintendo Switch 2 + PS5 PRO + PS6 + PS6 PRO + next Xbox ≈ 400 millions (!)
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Zathalus
Member
None of those products have even launched yet. So if we’re just making up numbers, in the next 5 years there will be 50 trillion PC gamers.
Knightime_X
Member
I don't care if it's been on pc for years, I'm just glad it's finding it's way to consoles as well.
I just hope Switch 2 uses it.
I just hope Switch 2 uses it.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It surely will. This might be the biggest win for the Switch 2. Perhaps we'll even see lower-end AAA games on it. This would be great.
Lol at you thinking the 5 systems will average 80 million units between all 5. It will be closer to 300 million.Nintendo Switch 2 + PS5 PRO + PS6 + PS6 PRO + next Xbox ≈ 400 millions (!)
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Parazels
Member
We are talking about the super advanced console intelligence, which, of course, will boost sales up. Get ready for even higher numbers!
KormaChameleon
Member
Tell us you haven't kept up with PC gaming without telling us you kept up with PC gaming, IGN,
Hawk The Slayer
Member
Fred looks so happy and proud lmaoo.
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