Good lord your reading comprehension is absolutely terrible. Way to miss the pointSo are you gonna do it, or are you just gonna to make it easier to not take anything you say seriously, Mr. "I can make Shenmue in 1 day"?
Good lord your reading comprehension is absolutely terrible. Way to miss the pointSo are you gonna do it, or are you just gonna to make it easier to not take anything you say seriously, Mr. "I can make Shenmue in 1 day"?
Nice job of invalidating your post with the first sentence.
I mean, think about it. They created the kickstarter, asked for a certain amount of money to make shenmue 3 and then, after a few days and after they already got money from many, many fans Suzuki came out and straight up told people that, nah, they will only be able to make a REAL Shenmue 3 if they got at least 10 million. Seems like they kind of missed to tell us that when announcing the kickstarter?
Stop itNot nearly enough money to fund this game
This is exactly the point OP is trying to make. Why do words need to be twisted to become negative.
Why does focussing on story and gameplay suddenly translate into "make it look not terrible!"
Its a game with $6.3m in funding and expectations of visuals will be made according to that. You cant go about comparing to modern AAA titles with $30m-$50m budget.
Based on what you said , its obvious you didnt read the Eurogamer article and just made you own assumptions based on the headline.
WHICH IS EXACTLY what people are complaining about. The article itself is good , the headline on the other hand gets people like you to make their own assumptions.
Eurogamer said:Can Suzuki make the game that he wants, though, with the resources and technology at hand? "I could do with a bit more money! The game itself doesn't have to be gorgeous visually - a lot of the money these days goes into the graphics. If we perhaps compromise on the graphics and put more into the story, we can make a good game. The most important thing, to me, is that the game's interesting, and that it's something people want to play."
You understand that he would need to delay development ever further then right?
Because while he is developing Shenmue 3 with a $6m budget. He would be in talks to get additional funding.
Now lets say months later he secures this additional $10m. Now he would need to staff up, and scale the $6m project to a $16m project. And that would possibly cause a delay.
You can see how this idea is already making the project a lot worse.
Incoming Article - "Shenmue 3 delayed , $16m not enough"
I mean presumably the deals would have been arranged beforehand; 'if the Kickstarter breaks $X then we'd be willing to give up to $X additional funding'.
Do you know how a stretch goal work?
So are you gonna do it, or are you just gonna to make it easier to not take anything you say seriously, Mr. "I can make Shenmue in 1 day"?
The thing that bothers me the most about this whole thing is that they're not finishing the story with Shenmue 3. "Shenmue comes back after over a decade" is a story. You get media attention with that. You get fans opening up their wallets. "We released 3 and now we want to make installment 4 of 7" doesn't have quite the same ring. Unless 3 does very well, both commercially and critically, they're going to find it difficult to keep the series going. And I'm speaking from personal experience as someone who has helped to resurrect a series that ended prematurely (Penny Arcade's On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness) - there was a story with "Indie developer resurrects RPG series for game 3 as a 16-bit style RPG" but few people in the media cared to tell the story of "Indie developer continues on and finishes with game 4 in the series."
Some AMAZING SHENMUE news came out this week. Nocon kid has joined the development team for Shenmue 3.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1119958
Of course, the gaming media doesnt want to report this. They'd rather try and make Suzuki sound like a con man.
Disgraceful.
This is the exact quote:
The question was: "Can you make the game that you want with the resources and technology at hand?"
And his answer to that was:
"I could do with a bit more money!"
How is that not worrisome? He tells the interviewer that he'd need more money to actually make what he wants to make. How could you possible be angry at people raising eyebrows at that? How could you possibly not understand why media outlets would focus on the fact that a guy who got three times the target on his kickstarter campaign straight-up says that won't be enough to make what he actually wants to make?
If Ubisoft would Crowdfund, I don't know, Child of Light 2 via Kickstarter and then come up with THAT answer this forum would fucking IMPLODE. There would be violence. Cars would burn and pitchforks would be wielded. But because it's coming from Suzuki, this strange messiah-like figure you seem to build him up to in your heads (and I'm not saying that he's a bad person. But he is a person who reeeeaaaallly seems to want to make Shenmue 3, even when it doesn't hold up to his own standards. Passion can be a bad thing at times) you obviously have to ignore it. Sorry, but that's not how it works.
While the original articles during the kickstarter campaign could pass as criticism, the recent articles are just plain click-bait. I mean if you don't see that, you're in denial.
Hahhaha, sorry, i could not resist
If Ubisoft would Crowdfund, I don't know, Child of Light 2 via Kickstarter and then come up with THAT answer this forum would fucking IMPLODE. There would be violence. Cars would burn and pitchforks would be wielded. But because it's coming from Suzuki, this strange messiah-like figure you seem to build him up to in your heads (and I'm not saying that he's a bad person. But he is a person who reeeeaaaallly seems to want to make Shenmue 3, even when it doesn't hold up to his own standards. Passion can be a bad thing at times) you obviously have to ignore it. Sorry, but that's not how it works.
But Suzuki said he wanted to start development as soon as he got the rights from Sega. I mean yea what you are saying is possible. Just like What Bloodstained did.
But I guess that was hit choice.
Some AMAZING SHENMUE news came out this week. Nocon kid has joined the development team for Shenmue 3.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1119958
Of course, the gaming media doesnt want to report this. They'd rather try and make Suzuki sound like a con man.
Disgraceful.
And none of that disagrees with what I said; Kickstarter money could be used as a gauge of interest to take to any additional sources of funding even if they start making the game immediately.
ha, no worries. I thought that would get quoted. My point still stands however.
Thats not how game development works. You don't start work without a known budget.
I've read it. And I applaud it. And I applaud you for ensuring it gets more attention.Updated the OP with Spaghetti's excellent post, I implore everyone to read it.
It would be an estimated budget plus whatever additional funding had already been secured, which is better than nothing at all.
That's a bit much.This is the exact quote:
The question was: "Can you make the game that you want with the resources and technology at hand?"
And his answer to that was:
"I could do with a bit more money!"
How is that not worrisome? He tells the interviewer that he'd need more money to actually make what he wants to make. How could you possible be angry at people raising eyebrows at that? How could you possibly not understand why media outlets would focus on the fact that a guy who got three times the target on his kickstarter campaign straight-up says that won't be enough to make what he actually wants to make?
If Ubisoft would Crowdfund, I don't know, Child of Light 2 via Kickstarter and then come up with THAT answer this forum would fucking IMPLODE. There would be violence. Cars would burn and pitchforks would be wielded. But because it's coming from Suzuki, this strange messiah-like figure you seem to build him up to in your heads (and I'm not saying that he's a bad person. But he is a person who reeeeaaaallly seems to want to make Shenmue 3, even when it doesn't hold up to his own standards. Passion can be a bad thing at times) you obviously have to ignore it. Sorry, but that's not how it works.
So, after all this fluff about shady practices and poor planning... You come put advocating terrible project management?
So what is your excuse for repeating the claim that sony is funding this, months after they've clarified they aren't?
None of the campaign's problems justify the extremely misleading titles and clickbait shit.Jeff Gerstman was right. Old school Sega fans really are the worst :/
There is nobody to blame here but Suzuki, the team behind the Kickstarter and Sony. They are responsible for the absolutely terrible messaging and for providing weeks and weeks of mixed messaging regarding the financing of the game.
You know what would have been shameful? If the media would have just bought into the hype of OMGSHENMUE and blindly told people how amazing everything about it is going to be.
I mean, think about it. They created the kickstarter, asked for a certain amount of money to make shenmue 3 and then, after a few days and after they already got money from many, many fans Suzuki came out and straight up told people that, nah, they will only be able to make a REAL Shenmue 3 if they got at least 10 million. Seems like they kind of missed to tell us that when announcing the kickstarter?
The campaign was a disaster, the PR was a disaster and, to this day, the messaging is a disaster. When you end you kickstarter campaign and then come out a few months later saying "Yeah, well, actually, we could need a lot more money to make it look not terrible", no matter in what context, then that project deserves to be criticised for it. If there was ever one kickstarter that was shady from the very get go, it's this.
The fact that Shenmue fans don't wanna see this because, hey, it's Shenmue? Fine. I can accept that. But the way they pile onto the media because they dont blindly buy into the hype, stay wary and ask weridly unanswered questions is pretty - yup - shameful.
Also:
and yet
What am I missing here?
No, his answer was:The question was: "Can you make the game that you want with the resources and technology at hand?"
And his answer to that was:
"I could do with a bit more money!"
"I could do with a bit more money! The game itself doesn't have to be gorgeous visually - a lot of the money these days goes into the graphics. If we perhaps compromise on the graphics and put more into the story, we can make a good game. The most important thing, to me, is that the game's interesting, and that it's something people want to play."
It seemed to me more like what Keiji Inafune tried to pull with Red Ash in that the game we'll get feels incomplete. They came off less as stretch goals and more as pieces of a full game.
The question was: "Can you make the game that you want with the resources and technology at hand?"
And his answer to that was:
"I could do with a bit more money!"
If Ubisoft would Crowdfund, I don't know, Child of Light 2 via Kickstarter and then come up with THAT answer this forum would fucking IMPLODE. There would be violence. Cars would burn and pitchforks would be wielded. But because it's coming from Suzuki, this strange messiah-like figure you seem to build him up to in your heads (and I'm not saying that he's a bad person. But he is a person who reeeeaaaallly seems to want to make Shenmue 3, even when it doesn't hold up to his own standards. Passion can be a bad thing at times) you obviously have to ignore it. Sorry, but that's not how it works.
Didn't Boyes come out and state that Sony was providing partial funding?
If by "funding" you mean assisting with the PS4 version and marketing (otherwise only we would only have a pc version of the game at best), then sure! Those things cost money I guess...Didn't Boyes come out and state that Sony was providing partial funding?
No, his answer was:
I could do with a bit more money! The game itself doesn't have to be gorgeous visually - a lot of the money these days goes into the graphics. If we perhaps compromise on the graphics and put more into the story, we can make a good game. The most important thing, to me, is that the game's interesting, and that it's something people want to play."
As you quoted in your own post.
Because they came in with a $2mil goal, but then said "Well, we have some nebulous 3rd party backing, oh and also need $10mil on the Kickstarter to do it right."
Frankly I think the Kuchera's piece nails it, albeit somewhat snarkily.
I'm not an invested fan (yet) with Shenmue, but I can appreciate the desire to not wanting to end the story if you've built up such a great foundation. The idea you would want to continue telling a good story for as long as possible is okay in my book. (If that's what you were getting at)
Nope
.Sounds like the die hard fans are the only ones hurt by this "shameful" news. Others who aren't die hard can see how this can be a huge disaster. Rose tinted glasses can be fashionable.
OK, What did he mean about 1:50 into this interview then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRZzuTwTEUE