Nerdkiller
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Man, that search engine is gonna be so amazing once they get the bandwidth problems fixed.Übermatik;194187506 said:Pretty much RIP this thread.
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Hey, set me down at that boat show.
That gag was always cut out of reruns.
The other notable cut gag I remember is the one from the episode where Bart joins the boy scouts after a nigh of slushie drinking. When Bart wakes up and realizes he joined the scouts he say's "Boy, that slushie can make you do crazy things, huh?" And then it cuts to Barnie in a military suite on a boat.
"Oh no! Not again!"
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I still find it weird that The Simpsons Game, despite having a joke about "being available on all platforms past and present", didn't get a PC port.
Mac the KNife
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ThePrequelsSuck
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I'm curious: do you guys consider season 10 to be classic Simpsons, zombie Simpsons, or "transitional" Simpsons?
On one hand, it's quite a bit worse than anything that came before (except maybe season 1), and there are several episodes that foreshadow the show's downfall (Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger, Grampa's kidneys exploding, Homer and Ned going to Vegas and marrying hookers, Loch Ness Monster, springs down the toilet, city flood).
But on the other hand, I'd say it's better than anything that came after, it's got the last great guest star (Mark Hamill), the last appearance of Phil Hartman, the last really good Halloween episode, and some of the last quotable moments (Max Power, Pinchy, Battling Seizure Robots).
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Transitional I guess? S10 wasn't the worst ever, as you said, it still had some good moments, but was definitely the start of the series going downhill.
still classic for me...so many great and quotable scenes/episodes although you definitely could see the new direction.
season 11 is even more interesting... i love some of it, but other episodes are just weird... especially "Its A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Marge", which seems more like a season 15 episode.
season 11 is even more interesting... i love some of it, but other episodes are just weird... especially "Its A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Marge", which seems more like a season 15 episode.
lunchtoast
Member
Classics for me end around season 7. Doesn't mean I won't watch 8-10, and up into the teens.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Season 12 has the "Inflammable means flammable? What a country!" line so as far as stuff that's quotable, I'd say that's the last good one.
Though 10-12 is quite a mixed bag, 10 being the last season where there are more good episodes than bad.
9 is the last season where I like every episode. Even Principal and the Pauper is funny, accepting that the premise is terrible.
Though 10-12 is quite a mixed bag, 10 being the last season where there are more good episodes than bad.
9 is the last season where I like every episode. Even Principal and the Pauper is funny, accepting that the premise is terrible.
Nerdkiller
Membeur
I love how drew and animated what it appears to be early attempts at CG for that bit.
Definitely transitional. It's just a shame, because while the episodes may be problematic for the few series after, the jokes still hit hard.
I'm curious: do you guys consider season 10 to be classic Simpsons, zombie Simpsons, or "transitional" Simpsons?
On one hand, it's quite a bit worse than anything that came before (except maybe season 1), and there are several episodes that foreshadow the show's downfall (Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger, Grampa's kidneys exploding, Homer and Ned going to Vegas and marrying hookers, Loch Ness Monster, springs down the toilet, city flood).
But on the other hand, I'd say it's better than anything that came after, it's got the last great guest star (Mark Hamill), the last appearance of Phil Hartman, the last really good Halloween episode, and some of the last quotable moments (Max Power, Pinchy, Battling Seizure Robots).
Also, related to your username, but the Amazing Spiderman movies (as straight up movies at least) are worse than any of the Prequels. Even the Prequels could only muster up an "meh" for me.
UberTag
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I've gone on record in this thread previously that the classic era ended when Scully took over as showrunner. I consider the Season 9 holdover episodes (which notably include The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson and Lisa the Simpson run by Oakley & Weinstein, Lisa's Sax run by Jean & Reiss and The Joy of Sect run by Mirkin) as classic era and the Scully episodes as non-classic era. It just makes sense to consider the break in quality when Scully took over.
There are still good episodes that Scully run in Season 9. Just as there are good episodes that Jean & Selman have run in Season 27. But the break in consistency happened there. And the show completely fell off a cliff in Season 11 which I largely consider unmitigated trash and prompted me to quit avidly following the show for a number of years.
There are still good episodes that Scully run in Season 9. Just as there are good episodes that Jean & Selman have run in Season 27. But the break in consistency happened there. And the show completely fell off a cliff in Season 11 which I largely consider unmitigated trash and prompted me to quit avidly following the show for a number of years.
The last great episode was Barthood. It aired in December. Halloween of Horror (which aired in October) is even better and is easily one of the best episodes of the HD era.
Trilogy of Error is a gem. I'd be hard-pressed to back another episode as being as good since Scully took over the show.
ThePrequelsSuck
Banned
One of these, probably:
Mayored to the Mob
Lisa Gets an "A"
Wild Barts Can't Be Broken
I'm with Cupid (the opening with Marge and Homer at Apu's appartment had a "classic" feeling to me)
Behind the Laughter
Professor Beef
Banned
I never understood what people hated about that episode at all. One of my favorite episodes in general.
Atomic Playboy
Member
Wait, what's wrong with Viva Ned Flanders? I think that by Season 10 The Simpsons had already clearly started heading downhill from their prime, but that was a solid episode, regardless of what season it aired in.
timetokill
Banned
That's a pretty good break point. "Anything in the double-digits is trash" has served me pretty well as a solid heuristic as far as Simpsons quality goes, but there are gems here and there. And obviously the ones you listed (NY vs Homer, Lisa the Simpson, etc) are good ones. I'll have to check out your recent suggestions. I remember watching the Bart Cruise one that you recommended and I thought it was decent. Far from Golden Age, but also not entirely insulting and depressing.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I dunno, I really enjoyed a lot of Season 10 eps.
Season 9 I felt was the last season in which every episode ranged from okay to amazing. I agree that there's a shift in quality the instant Scully takes over, but even the worst episodes that season had ton of great moments and quoatbles. Even episodes with dull stories like "Dumbbell Indemnity" had the "Who's going to Hawaii?" and "Must kill Moe... weee!" bits.
Season 10, while not overall terrible, is the first season where the bad episodes are truly awful, and a lot of them stick out because of the overuse of Jerkass Homer. "Homer Simpson in: Kidney Trouble" was the first episode that truly left me wondering what the hell just happened when it ended, because even though we've seen Homer be a jerk in the past, it was never to this level. I was hoping the episode was some sort of practical joke from the writers, but little did I know this stuff would become the norm later on.
I still give "Kidney" credit were its due, though. The scene where Homer accidentaly stops by the Retirement Castle and Grandpa walks to the car like a zombie, and the later moment with Krusty visiting Grandpa at the hospital are legitimately funny jokes.
Season 10, while not overall terrible, is the first season where the bad episodes are truly awful, and a lot of them stick out because of the overuse of Jerkass Homer. "Homer Simpson in: Kidney Trouble" was the first episode that truly left me wondering what the hell just happened when it ended, because even though we've seen Homer be a jerk in the past, it was never to this level. I was hoping the episode was some sort of practical joke from the writers, but little did I know this stuff would become the norm later on.
I still give "Kidney" credit were its due, though. The scene where Homer accidentaly stops by the Retirement Castle and Grandpa walks to the car like a zombie, and the later moment with Krusty visiting Grandpa at the hospital are legitimately funny jokes.
Aaron Strife
Banned
The Halloween episodes were for a while the only consistently watchable thing in the later seasons, but even they got crappy in the last years in my opinion
Yes.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Oh gods, I remember watching that and thinking, "WTF happened to the Simpsons?". Truly a shark jumping moment there.
lunchtoast
Member
Is that the simpsons podcast to listen to? There's a few of them and don't know which one to pick. There's that four finger discount which gets guests, but they are also aussies.
Professor Beef
Banned
Saddlesore Galactica is a hilarious episode.
Nerdkiller
Membeur
I say. I don't recall the modern episode connoisseurs of WEEPodcast ever being Australian.
UberTag
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Most of the modern day Treehouse of Horror episodes are complete garbage. No question about that. The only one in the modern era that's been anywhere close to decent is from Season 21.The Halloween episodes were for a while the only consistently watchable thing in the later seasons, but even they got crappy in the last years in my opinion
That said, Halloween of Horror is a "canon" Halloween episode. The only one ever in the show's history. Hence it's rather unique.
There are some half-decent gags surrounded by an absolutely atrocious and insulting storyline.Saddlesore Galactica is a hilarious episode.
As with most of the awful episodes from that era, Homer behaves like a complete unredeemable jackass.
I did enjoy this gag...
Most of the modern day Treehouse of Horror episodes are complete garbage. No question about that. The only one in the modern era that's been anywhere close to decent is from Season 21.
That said, Halloween of Horror is a "canon" Halloween episode. The only one ever in the show's history. Hence it's rather unique.
There are some half-decent gags surrounded by an absolutely atrocious and insulting storyline.
As with most of the awful episodes from that era, Homer behaves like a complete unredeemable jackass.
I did enjoy this gag...
The people in that line were perfectly chosen, although I never noticed until now that is not Lovejoy at the front. Which is better though as I could see Lovejoy as a gambling man.
Henchmen21
Banned
So that's it after 20yrs? So long. Good Luck?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
With that said you can really see the contrast of the family between "classic" and modern. Like, Lisa still loves her dad and despite being intelligent still has naivety, Homer being less of a jerk, etc.
UberTag
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Characters definitely evolve over time. No question about that. It's not even a hard "classic vs. modern" vibe as Homer has evolved extensively over the years.
From well-meaning Walter Matthau-sounding straight man in Seasons 1 & 2 to lovable Homer in the prime classic era to wacky Homer in Seasons 5-8 to jerkass Homer in the Scully years and since around the movie his characterization has actually reverted AWAY from being a jerk for the most part. I'd be hard-pressed to think of many episodes derailed by Homer behaving like an insensitive jerk in the HD era... although there is still the occasional thoughtless gag like him trying to feed Bart to sharks late last year.
aygomyownroad
Member
I don't recall saying good luck
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
While I do enjoy seeing those elements (like they really expanded Nelson's character, and they made Bart less of a one-note), I feel some just ended up playing up a single aspect of a character, like how Lisa nowadays is just a bitter character. Although maybe because I've only seen a few episodes so maybe it's just me.
Speaking of flanderization, what's up with Flanders nowadays? I heard they amped up his religious zealotry after S10, but in the Movie he was around classic/S10 levels of tolerable but lovable. I heard he now fights back Homer?
UberTag
Member
Lisa's characterization has gone through its ebbs and flows. She had a big preachy spell that has thankfully been tapered down. She's far too sanctimonious for her own good; she has a problem where she tries to apply the same standards she holds for herself and impose them on other people. She is thankfully acting more like an 8-year-old these days although the writers still Mary Sue her far too often. My main criticism of her in recent years is that her relationship with her brother is virtually non-existent.
Marge had a terrible stretch through the early HD era where she was inexcusably bitchy and unforgiving for little to no reason. That has thankfully eased up in the last year or so.
I'm glad you brought up Nelson as his character has improved immeasurably in the post-classic era. He has exceptional depth these days whereas he was pretty much a one-note "Ha Ha" gag until Lisa's Date With Density. Conversely, Barney has regressed in the opposite direction - often to the point where they've taken to writing him out of flashback episodes and replacing him with Lenny, Carl and Moe.
Ned's been kind of all over the map in his development. Very inconsistent on an episode-to-episode basis. The brief Nedna experiment was actually good for him in terms of evolving that character out of a rut but that was short-lived given Marcia Wallace's passing.
lunchtoast
Member
MORE asbestos! MORE asbestos! MORE asbestos!
Oh year, you are right of course. Didn't read your post correctly and forgot about that episode.
Rhomega Beta
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Added to my list and I'm burning through them. Thanks.