The Snyder Cut Is a Better Version of Justice League . But It Sets a Dangerous Precedent

I think there's certainly a culture of some fans expecting to get the exact story they want and feeling like it's the job of the creators to give them that rather than their own vision. There's been stuff like people demanding they remake season 8 of Game of Thrones or classify the Star Wars sequel trilogy as non-canon. There's a sense of entitlement there that I'm not a fan of.

But the Snyder Cut seems like a pretty unique example with the director having to leave the project part way through because of tragic personal circumstances. So I get people wanting to see what that version is like. It also seems like there were factors like WB wanting a tentpole title to drive people to HBO Max rather than them just being bullied into it by people being shitty.
 
We pay their salaries.... directly... they better listen to us unless they want to lose money. It's the smart move, it's only dangerous to journalists and news outlets to realize they are not the ones in control.

Big business like the movie industry knows how to survive and good on them for liking to continue to make money and give the fans what they want. Any attempt to to try and discredit this fact that we the paying public have the ultimate say so in any business is propaganda aimed solely to weaken society and strengthen corporate oligarchy.

The slippery slope they mention is a non issue. Fans will always voice their opinions but you do not have large outcries of demands to rectify any medium unless what they originally put out is hot garbage. And in turn corporations are not going to remake anything unless there is a large enough outcry that can tangibly relate to some sort of profit margin. It is self regulating.

Article is a shitty hot take designed to stoke fear and silence any dissent from the populace. Never a good road to take, especially not for a supposed news outlet.
 
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ManaByte said:
Lucasfilm listened to fans and wrote a Star Wars movie based on YouTube and Reddit comments. The result was The Rise of Skywalker.
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Hah do you actually believe this? You think otherwise JJ Abrams and Chris Terrio would have made a masterpiece if they didn't let Reddit write their movie for them? Which is a "theory" so silly and detached from reality I can't believe people are still running with it.

How about we stop letting news outlets label people "dangerous" for having the wrong opinion on movies made for children?

If these millionaire idiots can't write a decent movie that's their own fault. Quit blaming fans.
 
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Dangerous, yes. I prefer the studios ramming their own preferred content in the faces of the masses and telling them they will like it.

Like Apple.

Because it works.
 
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bad movies endless trash GIF
 
Movies are consumer driven. If you put out shit you see less return. Case and point. 2017s justice league.

Trying to somehow equate the Snyder cut movement to a studio making horrible decisions and now we have a a dangerous precedent screams of someone who really doesn't understand what happened.
 
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ManaByte said:
Lucasfilm listened to fans and wrote a Star Wars movie based on YouTube and Reddit comments. The result was The Rise of Skywalker.
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They only listened what they wanted to listen, the movie was still generic Disney trash with shitty characters and a boring Mary Sue. They had no other choice but to listen to some criticism because their franchise was collapsing.
 
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And btw people like the obnoxious blue checkmark that wrote this trash dominating Hollywood is exactly the reason why fans should be more involved. You can no longer trust Hollywood with anything, they're completely delusional.
 
I like how these critics will never take responsibility for how justice league turned out. If it wasn't for their poor reviews of bvs, whedon wouldn't have been hired to lighten up the movie.
 
This was a huge improvement over the first cut. The movie and Snyders vision were actually coherent, a sadly increasing rarity in modern Hollywood Blockbusters. Cyborg and Flash anchored the movie.

The lore and world building was cool.

Great movie. Only issue I really have are the inconsistencies tying in with Aquaman.
 
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Man I tried clicking on that article to see evidence of these "toxic fans" and there fucking is no evidence. They are laundering a false narrative as usual.

It's just one article leading to another. Click on this Yahoo article, the reference to harassment leads to a Vanity Fair article. Click the Vanity Fair article, the reference to harassment leads to a Medium Blog. Look at that Medium blog, it is the most normie stuff ever. Dude is flipping out because people called others "snakes" and being the usual jacakasses on Twitter.

You would think given the years of endless bitching about these people that if they actually existed, activist journos would have piles and piles of evidence in these articles. Yet they are barren, only meant to the preach at people who have already bought into the narrative. Nothing they post by these supposed "toxic fans" is really all that different from the hatred they throw at anyone to the left of Mao.
 
Yeah make episode 7-9 non canon. Episode 6 ended perfectly there was no need for 7-9. With Carrie gone ( God bless her soul) they can't remake these anymore anyways.

Also Snyder cut is a different thing it was a rare occasion where a director was allowed to express his original vision.
 
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I disagree with the article. This was a very unique situation where a lot of different events had to fall into place just to make this happen. This is not going to become a norm where studios spend $50m+ to release another cut of a movie that didn't do well critically or commercially.
 
Gunslinger said:
Yeah make episode 7-9 non canon. Episode 6 ended perfectly there was no need for 7-9. With Carrie gone ( God bless her soul) they can't remake these anymore anyways.

Also Snyder cut is a different thing it was a rare occasion where a director was allowed to express his original vision.
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There was never any reason for a sequel saga. Star Wars is the story of the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. In fact, the sequels go out of their way to undermine Anakin's character arc by bringing back Palpatine, thus diminishing the impact of Vader's sacrifice in ROTJ. I really wish they had the guts to create a new saga in the Star Wars universe that doesn't desperately try to leverage people's nostalgia.
 
"When fan culture runs amok, who is in control?"
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HBO Max is owned by HBO.

HBO is owned by WarnerMedia.

WarnerMedia is owned by AT&T.

From wikipedia:

AT&T Inc. is an American multinational conglomerate holding company, Delaware-registered but headquartered at Whitacre Tower in Downtown Dallas, Texas. It is the world's largest telecommunications company, the largest provider of mobile telephone services, and the largest provider of fixed telephone services in the United States through AT&T Communications. Since June 14, 2018, it is also the parent company of mass media conglomerate WarnerMedia, making it the world's largest media and entertainment company in terms of revenue. As of 2020, AT&T was ranked 9 on the Fortune 500 rankings of the largest United States corporations, with revenues of $181 billion.
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Who is in control? Seriously?

Literally world's largest telecommunications and entertainment company vs. a thousand or so over amplified Batman stans.
 
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ManaByte said:
Lucasfilm listened to fans and wrote a Star Wars movie based on YouTube and Reddit comments. The result was The Rise of Skywalker.
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Considering how incredibly rushed that movie was, I would hardly consider it as an example of what may be wrong with fan culture.

Last episode of Mandalorian s2 was also clearly addressing fans feedback, and it was widely praised.
 
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Years ago a 4 hour movie would have scared people but with today's freaking streaming wars, pandemic etc. if you can get 4 quality hours it's a tremendous win. Now everyone wants to "cut" movies.
 
Discodriver32 said:
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The Snyder Cut Is a Better Version of Justice League . But It Sets a Dangerous Precedent

When fan culture runs amok, who is in control?
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Oh no, the dangerous precedent that.....studios listening to fan feedback might be a good thing? Didn't these people do that same argument with the Sonic the Hedgehog movie?
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Imagine how Sonic would have been roasted if they released with abdomination Sonic. Most of the major franchises would be improved if they listened to fans.
 
EverydayBeast said:
Years ago a 4 hour movie would have scared people but with today's freaking streaming wars, pandemic etc. if you can get 4 quality hours it's a tremendous win. Now everyone wants to "cut" movies.
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Yeah with streaming those 4 hour movies should be a mini-series , 4 hours is still way to long to watch a single movie in one go...personally I don't have the patience but what fo you know your only a bot
 
This is stupid, Rise of Skywalker isn't the problem what people actually wanted was a redo of TLJ. Fix that pile of shit then SW9 wouldn't have been a patchwork mess.
 
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I think it's rather subjective. Justice League was clearly a hatchet job that started with the studio interfering. They did it with BvS, forcing a cut-down theatrical release, and then used that as ammunition to blame Snyder for what was an even worse theatrical release of JL. After fans got to experience the better-paced BvS UE, it was very clear that the studio was the reason for the awful theatrical release. Fans asking for a release of the director's version made complete sense IMO.

OTOH, you have something like SW:TLJ. I enjoyed that movie. I thought it was far better than Rise of Skywalker, and just a bit behind Force Awakens. I'm not a SW fan per se, but I've seen every movie in the franchise multiple times. I think the SW fanbase can be quite toxic, and the fact that they lobbed lots of sexist and racist hate towards Rei and Rose, left the impression that they weren't really judging TLJ on its artistic merits, so much as on their preconceived notions of what constitutes a SW movie. Rian Johnson is a fine director, and I was happy to see a SW movie that wasn't all fan service and trench runs. Hell, blame the lack of story planning by the studio, more than the director providing his own take on the franchise. So I thought the complaints were misplaced.

Similarly, GoT fans asking for a redo of Season 8 are also incredibly stupid. Martin should've finished the damn books. Weiss and Benioff needed more guidance than they got. They shouldn't have been left to their own devices. That said, we got what we got, and that's it. Asking for a redo is illogical.

In the end, studios need to trust the production teams they hire. Disney and Warner apparently trusted the teams for TLJ and GoT. They didn't for Justice League. So I think only JL earned demands from the fans, as we never got what the director intended. Suicide Squad also deserved a redo, and we're getting that as well. I'd love to see the Ayers cut, but that doesn't seem like it'll ever happen. At least we got the Snyder Cut. 1 win among many losses.
 
Crazy, letting a director actually do their job resulted in a better film. What a concept, and it's being spun into "THE EVIL FANS!!!"

The big story here is that reputable directors of big budget flicks now may have more leverage to tell studios to fuck off a bit more
 
If it means more directors vision on streaming services, and they're 4hrs long, not a bad concept

Still have cinema release, not everyone wants a even 3hr film inthe cinema
 
The moron that wrote this article should never be allowed to touch a keyboard of any type for the rest of their life. Just to be on the safe side.
 
I'll also throw this out there.
I don't believe that the fans actually had anything to do with the Snyder cut getting released. If HBO Max didn't exist, it never would have been released. Maybe years and years later like the Superman 2 Donner cut but not within the next 10 years. The release of HBO Max gave them a platform to experiment, do unique things and they needed a project to hype up the streaming service.
 
sol_bad said:
I'll also throw this out there.
I don't believe that the fans actually had anything to do with the Snyder cut getting released. If HBO Max didn't exist, it never would have been released.
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Sure, but if there wasn't a strong push for the Snyder Cut, I doubt they would ever consider putting in there a movie that would directly contradict the estabilished canon of the DCU project.

The fans, covid, HOB Max, all those contributed to this exceptional release.
 
They needed a project to hype up the service, and fans had presented one to them on a silver platter, complete a with free crowdsourced promotional framework.

These giant companies are using dedicated fans for ideas and strategies, in order to capitalize on virality. That is what rules markketing these days. This is with TLJ is written for the Twitter crowd. Snyder fans went viral so that was a market the parent company could not afford.

It isn't an unheard of thing. The only reason Star Trek is not an also-ran 60's tv show is that fan demand brought them back for a movie, then sequels, and finally whole new series. It happens often in pop media.

It just happens that the media is currently run by rabid activist evangelists for the woke cult, and bashing fans is daily ritual for media activist types. At the heart of that is ultimately professional jealousy. Gatekeepers in a dying industry know they have lost all relevance and people would rather watch Youtube. This jealousy is at the heart of their crusade.
oagboghi2 said:
Last I checked J.J. Abram name is on the credits scroll, not Reddit's

Stop embarrassing yourself with this "anti-fan" crusade
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Yeah it is pathetic, ignoring of what J.J. Abrams and Chris Terrio have said, entertaining some silly conspiracy theory which makes so sense.

If anything TLJ is the movie most heavily concerned with fan theories. Rian went out of his way to structure his entire movie around confronting specific fan theories. So when J.J. did do this (and which part of ROTS is there to appease fans, exactly?), it was merely following what Rian had done. After all, people wanted him to be influenced by Rian's work, and he certainly was.

At any rate I don't recall fans wanting Rey to be Palpatine's granddaughter. I don't recall them wanting her to discover the power to bring people back from the dead. Was that a huge Reddit fan theory? Were Redditors and Youtubers clamoring for Rey and Ben to make out? It makes zero sense.
 
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sol_bad said:
I'll also throw this out there.
I don't believe that the fans actually had anything to do with the Snyder cut getting released. If HBO Max didn't exist, it never would have been released. Maybe years and years later like the Superman 2 Donner cut but not within the next 10 years. The release of HBO Max gave them a platform to experiment, do unique things and they needed a project to hype up the streaming service.
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You're definitely correct in that without AT&T buying Warner Brothers and needing content for HBO Max this would have never been released. Warner Brothers never wanted this to see the light of day, probably for a slew of reasons but in particular because it puts their gross incompetence on full display.

But without the fan movement generating interest and hype for years and years for this, the Snyder cut would never have even been a blip on the radar for HBO Max. No interest, no demand, no incentive to invest $70mil finishing the movie. The fans are absolutely responsible for making this happen.
 
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