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The Snyder Cut Is a Better Version of Justice League . But It Sets a Dangerous Precedent
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
there is a difference between not being very good and being absolute trash like the 27% rt rating suggested.
Virt McPolygon
Banned
Studios need to ignore fans. And directors need to stop going back to old work and fucking up color grading and/or adding extra effects/new shots.
Never ceases to amaze me how people are unable to move on from things.
Never ceases to amaze me how people are unable to move on from things.
Azurro
Banned
Rian Johnson did his own thing and the horrific The Last Jedi was the result, except it had a lot more sjw shit in it. The Rise of Skywalker was bad, but JJ Abrahams can usually do a mediocre movie at least, TLJ left him in the unenviable position of having to wrap up a trilogy with nothing to wrap up.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Ulysses 31
Member
It's even worse, he said he didn't care about the Star Wars canon and history just the story of his movie...
GeorgioCostanzaX
Gold Member
It’s also partially WBs fault in that they were so desperate to ship something to compete with Avengers that they tried to skip over standalone films to flesh out Cyborg and Flash especially.
The Snyder cut if released theatrically would have needed to be two 120 minute films Part I and Part II to get that story building in. It’s so cool that he did it. I didn’t care about any of the characters in Josstice league and now I really like Flash and Cyborg and am pumped for Flashpoint with Keaton.
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Hatemachine
Banned
Most of the shit that has gone wrong with the DCEU is the fault of WB management. They butchered the BvS theatrical cut. They Butchered the ending of Wonder Woman. They butchered Ayer's Suicide Squad cut. They turned Justice League into an abomination. They greenlit WW84. None of these people should have jobs.
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sol_bad
Member
It's even worse, he said he didn't care about the Star Wars canon and history just the story of his movie...
You have that quote?
Ulysses 31
Member
Nope since he doesn't say it in so many words.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi Director Rian Johnson Admits He Didn't Care About Star Wars Canon And History
Star Wars: The Last Jedi director Rian Johnson admitted he really didn't care about Star Wars canon in a recent interview discussing Johnson's Knives Out film.
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sobaka770
Banned
I'm 30 minutes into Snyder cut and while it's a better experience just because the studio didn't mandate the 2 hour running time and a change in style, this is still pompous relentless garbage.
I get why SOME people may like it, Zack is unapologetic in his vision and it makes for an auteur film experience if you're into this kind of thing. Only in this case the auteur is a grown man who is clearly competent at shooting action and write a story but also saddled with a mind of a 12 year old edgelord kid who thinks that slow-mo should be used for every single action whenever possible, subtlety is not a thing in dialogue, music etc. and it's all about style over substance. They also thought that in order to fix Steppenwolf it wasn't about the uncanny valley face - it was because the armor didn't have a billion spikes on it. I still think that if Whedon were to have that kind of leeway to make his cut, JL would've been an even better movie than this.
That being said I don't think it's a dangerous precedent - WB is just using it a relatively cheap way of getting people to HBO max, and it may have actually worked for some.
I get why SOME people may like it, Zack is unapologetic in his vision and it makes for an auteur film experience if you're into this kind of thing. Only in this case the auteur is a grown man who is clearly competent at shooting action and write a story but also saddled with a mind of a 12 year old edgelord kid who thinks that slow-mo should be used for every single action whenever possible, subtlety is not a thing in dialogue, music etc. and it's all about style over substance. They also thought that in order to fix Steppenwolf it wasn't about the uncanny valley face - it was because the armor didn't have a billion spikes on it. I still think that if Whedon were to have that kind of leeway to make his cut, JL would've been an even better movie than this.
That being said I don't think it's a dangerous precedent - WB is just using it a relatively cheap way of getting people to HBO max, and it may have actually worked for some.
Ulysses 31
Member
Curious to see your verdict after the 4 hours.
sol_bad
Member
Nope since he doesn't say it in so many words.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi Director Rian Johnson Admits He Didn't Care About Star Wars Canon And History
Star Wars: The Last Jedi director Rian Johnson admitted he really didn't care about Star Wars canon in a recent interview discussing Johnson's Knives Out film.
He is talking about universe creation and that is very true in The Last Jedi, he doesn't create many things for the universe. His story very much focuses on character and the story itself. He doesn't say in that interview or any interview that he doesn't care about pre-existing character arcs or anything to that effect. Look at his hand gestures in the interview, he is literally talking about a universe as a thing.
Always try and go to the direct source rather than use websites that have 2nd or 3rd hand information. Especially a website where half the articles are stupid crap (that no serious publication would take notice of) like the ones about Twitter, Olivia Munn and her drama and Zack Snyder "attacking" his fans.
sw0mp_d0nk3y
Member
I wouldn't mind a fan influenced "Snyder Cut" of the last 2 seasons of Game of Thrones.
Hatemachine
Banned
This would be a disaster. Most fans biggest complaint about the ending is it didn't resolve with a happy ending for Jon and Danyryis with them sitting on the throne together. Most people are far too dumb to understand what makes good writing. Not that Hollywood is much better.
sw0mp_d0nk3y
Member
Oh, I thought most people wanted more exposition and conversations. That last 2 or 3 seasons should have been 5 seasons with a much slower pace.
Hatemachine
Banned
That's the reasonable criticism of the show in the later seasons. The writing and pacing went to complete shit. But for the most part the people shrieking on Twitter and Reddit just didn't get their desired ending.
Ulysses 31
Member
Ehm, he's saying he doesn't change approach for making a new movie(knifes out) and a movie in a pre-existing universe.
He has his story that he wants to tell and the universe surrounding it doesn't excite or interest him. Yeah, he's not the guy you should want for a movie in a long established universe.
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sol_bad
Member
You can still love characters and not care about the universe surrounding them. He doesn't contradict anything that is cannon in the Star Wars universe.
Ulysses 31
Member
Hyperspace ramming? Force ghost lighting? Tracking cloaked ships? They may not necessarily contradict anything in previous movies but they raise a lot of questions in older movies and issues in newer ones.
It's good that he has a lot of focus on story but he should take into consideration the movies that came before it too.
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sol_bad
Member
Just because these things didn't happen in a previous film doesn't mean they can't happen in another newer film.
Ulysses 31
Member
But it raises questions why the rebels or the empire never used hyperspace ramming before seeing how much damage it does. Certainly for the empire/first order side seeing how much resources they have.
Force ghost can now interact with physical things, if they're on the side of Luke, why don't they take a more active role when they can't be destroyed?
If you can track cloaked ships, why wouldn't this tracker always be on when fighting an enemy fleet, do you really need to be told that the enemy is using cloaked ships first before using it?
Yeah, Rian didn't really think his story though how it would fit in the established universe...
sol_bad
Member
But it raises questions why the rebels or the empire never used hyperspace ramming before seeing how much damage it does. Certainly for the empire/first order side seeing how much resources they have.
Force ghost can now interact with physical things, if they're on the side of Luke, why don't they take a more active role when they can't be destroyed?
If you can track cloaked ships, why wouldn't this tracker always be on when fighting an enemy fleet, do you really need to be told that the enemy is using cloaked ships first before using it?
Yeah, Rian didn't really think his story though how it would fit in the established universe...
I don't think anyone knew what damage Holdo's action would create because it hadn't been tried. It was a simple last ditch effort for Holdo, she was going to die anyway so why not try something random. Rebels have low resources so too risky. Empire has the Death Star so no need to sacrifice ships.
At the end of episode 3, a force ghost was a brand new concept, so for hundreds or thousands of years prior a force ghost had apparently never happened. If Yoda/Qui-gon Jinn/Obi-Wan kept training while a force ghost it's not hard to imagine they could interact with the literal world.
Hyperspace tracking is mentioned in Rogue One as a current project for the Empire. It's an incomplete project at the time so that's why it was never used before. You could actually take this as proof that there was discussion in Lucasfilm to ensure everything matched up in terms of cannon.
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LaughingStock
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Ignore fans. Listen to twitter weirdos. Profit lose money.
Ulysses 31
Member
In A New Hope the rebels were at war with the empire and losing, stealing the death star plans was their first victory. You really believe no rebel ship in this war was ever in desperation enough to come up with hyperspace ramming? Is Holdo's idea really that unique in that universe? I doubt it.
How so? George Lucas never explored it in all his movies, why should we accept such a big reveal from Rian?
I was actually talking about cloaked ships, not ships travelling in through hyperspace.
But yeah, the Disney movies establishing that hyperspace and cloak tracking technology is a thing will have to be addressed in future SW movies whenever the heroes are on the run through space.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
No, they were pretty verbal about the fact that the writing was the problem. Even memes were made about 'Danaerys kind of forgetting that the fleet was around the corner' amongst other things.
People would have been fine about any ending if it was written and paced correctly. It wasn't and it was rushed. That's the bottom line.
sol_bad
Member
Are you saying that Disney Star Wars should never introduce something new and they should only use what is in the original 6 films?
Ulysses 31
Member
You really think I want SW to stagnate rather than wanting consistency for things that also appeared in the first 6 movies?
Reality Czar
Banned
Hahah why is this thread about the Last Jedi?
Give it up, if you have to defend a movie that much it didn’t do it’s job.
Give it up, if you have to defend a movie that much it didn’t do it’s job.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
The fans of that movie seem to like the concepts more than the execution. Oh and the fact that Adam Driver acted his ass off in all 3 movies.
I'm just glad we are past that era and we're onto the Dave Filoni/Jon Favreau era.
Hammerite Zealot
Member
Why quote such a garbage article? What Precedent? WB got for 70 milions a new 4 hour movie with a lot of marketing already done. Why are those pseudo journalists so angry over Snyder Cut? Because they were proven wrong?
PS. Last Jedi sucks.
PS. Last Jedi sucks.
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AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
The only thing they really have to worry about is when people get upset about something and demand a new version of a movie. People have seen their dumb social media campaign work. Now people/fans are trained to get what they want if the whine enough. Maybe I should start a hashtag to demand a widescreen version of the snyder cut.
Reality Czar
Banned
Lol this old strawman again.
Rian Johnson refused to write a decent story for any of the new characters so we all had to deal with two hours of miserable Luke as the central focus. The ironic thing is that they were backstaged so this crusty old white man could do his Serious Brooding artsy fartsy bs.
Also if you didn't notice all the POC and minority character fail the whole time and he has to save the day. Yes how diverse the old lunchbox man saves the day. So progressive.
Look I just wanted a fun adventure, have Finn and Rey and BB-8 go off together and explore a new planet, meet new aliens. We got 2 hours of "What about Luke?" This argument is bs.
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Yeah that's not what people were complaining about.
But we are just making shit up to push this idea that "fans" can't recognize crap when it's crap.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
These studio executives and their pet journos have no idea how incredibly easy it is for me to not patronize their shitty films.
