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[KHarvey16]

Ah, now I see where your hang-up is.

We're in a thread about the iPhone 6. Specifically about the iPhone 6 being a perfect device, without any flaws in its execution or sale.

Dozens of people are in here attempting to point out those flaws. Some are pointing out the buggy iOS8, some are pointing out the low resolution screen, others are pointing out the limited RAM that impacts user experience, while others are pointing out the lack of expandable memory or replaceable batteries. Some of us are simply arguing that the massive mark-ups, asking consumers to pay hundreds of dollars more than what competitors are selling for the same (or better, in many cases) technology, is in itself a flaw.

You're confused, though. Because you think this is a conversation about whether Apple should legally be allowed to sell their phones or whether consumers should legally be allowed to buy them.

I'm sorry you're confused.

Lol, legally? You just make things up to further your own delusions.

It's clear to everyone from your over use of denigrating language, your condescension and your limited grasp of debate logic and proper reasoning that you hold an opinion you aren't very secure in. You see lots of other people coming to a different conclusion than you, and this threatens what little confidence you have in your ability to make decisions. All of this bluster is just to cover that up. You see it all the time on forums where people with your type of anxiety feel a little more comfortable behind a computer. It's ok though,

Apple will continue to sell phones for what people will pay to millions and millions of them. Sorry.

 

[ZeroX03]

Hey TekGryphon, would you recommend a Note 4? For a person who wants to buy a phablet sized phone in the next few months.

 

[rezuth]

Ahh, and now, after pages of the same Apple sack-riding fanatics fighting to the death against the notion that Apple charges a massive price mark-up for their devices in comparison to their competitors, now we get the classic "Ha! We knew that all along! We were just arguing because... uhhh... because you're dumb!"

You have been saying shit like overpriced which is different from margins.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Ahh, and now, after pages of the same Apple sack-riding fanatics fighting to the death against the notion that Apple charges a massive price mark-up for their devices in comparison to their competitors, now we get the classic "Ha! We knew that all along! We were just arguing because... uhhh... because you're dumb!"

Dawg, all I've seen are a bunch of people of all phone persuasions asking why you're so angry about this.

 

[Bgamer90]

Ahh, and now, after pages of the same Apple sack-riding fanatics fighting to the death against the notion that Apple charges a massive price mark-up for their devices in comparison to their competitors, now we get the classic "Ha! We knew that all along! We were just arguing because... uhhh... because you're dumb!"

You don't read what people actually say do you?

I have never dismissed the fact that Apple's products are expensive. All I have done is said why people don't mind it because of the products having differences to other (cheaper) products.

The fact that it would come from a guy who admitted he paid $200 dollars for some extra storage place makes this especially ironic, lol

And I stated the reasons why I did spend $200 more. I prefer the UX of iOS when I'm on the go and I prefer to have all of my music with me instead of having to rely on streaming (for situations in which I'm a bit low on battery and/or possibly in an area with poor reception).

Don't really know what else to say.... sorry for liking something you don't?

 

[LeleSocho]

Then explain to us how Apple is making over 75% of the profits in the smartphone market while selling only 15% of the units?

Because they only produce three models all stupidly successful instead of flooding the market with both successful and unsuccessful models? Because they take more profit on a phone than the others? Because they don't spend as the main competitor in advertising? Because they have killer deals with the material providers?

You hook on the same two things to bash while not touching absolutely everything else that can be against your favor like CPU/GPU, material quality, fingerprint scanners etc.
Also you often talk how Apple is 2 years behind in screen tech but again only on things that interest you like screen resolution because 2 years ago the iPhone 5 was the first phone to have an IGZO display and to have the full sRGB gamut things that only this year competitors are approaching to sell ( I think i saw some flagship bragging about having >90% sRGB gamut?)

Why are you so goddamn mad at people choosing an Apple product? And don't come here again saying that you are mad but only "smug" because with your clockwork like posts in every Apple thread and the way you are so aggressive you clearly show the need for people to recognize your "smarter decision" on choosing whatever you chose and when you don't get the approval you go full buttmad trashing everyone and everything in your way even if they are on the same page as you.

It is really true when they say that the only thing worse than an Apple fanboy is an Apple hater.

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I would really like to see your mental meltdown on my willing to give away my iPhone and old flagship Android phone for a nice and new Lumia...

 

[TekGryphon]

Somebody actually explained this earlier and you ignored them.

Market share does not directly correlate with profit share. It never has and it never will.

Did you read the report?

Sales of smartphones is sales of smartphones. It doesn't factor in iTunes, Apple market purchases, gouging people $100 for replacing screens, etc.

It's simply sales of the smartphones, in which Apple is making 75%+ of the profits while selling only 15% of the units, because their mark-ups are so sky-high that it's boggling the market analysts.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Did you read the report?

Sales of smartphones is sales of smartphones. It doesn't factor in iTunes, Apple market purchases, gouging people $100 for replacing screens, etc.

It's simply sales of the smartphones, in which Apple is making 75%+ of the profits while selling only 15% of the units, because their mark-ups are so sky-high that it's boggling the market analysts.

It's a shame their competitors can't mark up their products like that and make money. Mind boggling.

 

[Red]

Why would Apple's success preclude them from producing good products? I'm sorry, I missed that day of business 101.

What is the threshold of success a company must cross before they stop being legitimate and become a crime against mankind, nay, against the earth itself

 

[TekGryphon]

Hey TekGryphon, would you recommend a Note 4? For a person who wants to buy a phablet sized phone in the next few months.

Depends on your price range and what you want to use it for. The Note 4 is a bit more expensive than some other Android phablets, but it's got a great screen (which, honestly, most of the other phablets do as well), replaceable batteries, expandable storage, and a stylus.

If those last 3 are worth the price premium, and its within your budget, I'd recommend it.

If you don't think you'll use the stylus (it's mainly good for taking notes in meetings), and you think you'll offload the phone before the battery degrades too much, and you do most of your storage on the cloud - then the Nexus 6 is where I'd probably point you. It's cheaper and has a clean OS without the Samsung interface.

 

[TekGryphon]

Why would Apple's success preclude them from producing good products? I'm sorry, I missed that day of business 101.

Monster Cables are good products. Dyson makes good products. Bose makes good products. Beats makes good products. Alienware makes good products.

Why are you so fucking dense that you can't understand why mark-ups are a legitimate topic of conversation in regards to Apple when NeoGAF spends pages and pages talking about it EVERY SINGLE DAY on dozens of other brands?

Why is Apple so touched by the 9 Divines that it's set aside, up on an altar, where we can't discuss it the same way we discuss EVERY OTHER BRAND.

 

[KHarvey16]

"Other people use a shitty reason so why are you calling it a shitty reason when I use it too?!"

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Monster Cables are good products. Dyson makes good products. Bose makes good products. Beats makes good products. Alienware makes good products.

Why are you so fucking dense that you can't understand why mark-ups are a legitimate topic of conversation in regards to Apple when NeoGAF spends pages and pages talking about it EVERY SINGLE DAY on dozens of other topics.

People aren't confused about the fact that the products have heavy markup. What people are confused about is why you think it's a bad thing and keep insulting everyone.

 

[Red]

Monster Cables are good products. Dyson makes good products. Bose makes good products. Beats makes good products. Alienware makes good products.

Why are you so fucking dense that you can't understand why mark-ups are a legitimate topic of conversation in regards to Apple when NeoGAF spends pages and pages talking about it EVERY SINGLE DAY on dozens of other brands?

Why is Apple so touched by the 9 Divines that it's set aside, up on an altar, where we can't discuss it the same way we discuss EVERY OTHER BRAND.

You are literally, literally the only person here who is not discussing it like every other brand.

 

[squidyj]

It was on purpose

ok good. I honestly didn't know what to think

 

[TekGryphon]

It's a shame their competitors can't mark up their products like that and make money. Mind boggling.

Most markets can only handle one brand-premium segment, exception being the fashion industry. Whoever gets to it first and builds up their brand-image gets the consumers who self-identify with that image.

There's only one Dyson, one Monster Cable, one Bose, and one Alienware. A few others tried to build up a competitive level of hype and image, but those were the entrenched names and they kept their position.

 

[ZeroX03]

Depends on your price range and what you want to use it for. The Note 4 is a bit more expensive than some other Android phablets, but it's got a great screen (which, honestly, most of the other phablets do as well), replaceable batteries, expandable storage, and a stylus.

If those last 3 are worth the price premium, and its within your budget, I'd recommend it.

If you don't think you'll use the stylus (it's mainly good for taking notes in meetings), and you think you'll offload the phone before the battery degrades too much, and you do most of your storage on the cloud - then the Nexus 6 is a where I'd probably point you. It's cheaper and has a clean OS without the Samsung interface.

Interesting that you'd recommend the Note 4 and Nexus 6 when the Mi Note Pro has better specs and is cheaper than both of them.

You're not one of those people that pay hundreds of dollars more for technologically inferior products are you? You didn't buy into that Samsung marketing hype right?

 

[TekGryphon]

People aren't confused about the fact that the products have heavy markup. What people are confused about is why you think it's a bad thing

Ladies and Gentlemen. An Apple consumer. That's sig-worthy.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Ladies and Gentlemen. An Apple consumer. That's sig-worthy.

I prefer my current one, thanks.

 

[TekGryphon]

Interesting that you'd recommend the Note 4 and Nexus 6 when the Mi Note Pro has better specs and is cheaper than both of them.

You're not one of those people that pay hundreds of dollars more for technologically inferior products are you? You didn't buy into that Samsung marketing hype right?

Because most people aren't going to consider buying and importing a Chinese brand?

I'm a huge fan of the One Plus One, and the Mi Note Pro is a great phone, too (although lacking an expandable port which I feel is critical). I personally wouldn't get either of them, though, and I don't think any of my friends or coworkers would either.

 

[ZeroX03]

Because most people aren't going to consider buying and importing a Chinese brand?

I'm a huge fan of the One Plus One, and the Mi Note Pro is a great phone, too (although lacking an expandable port which I feel is critical). I personally wouldn't get either of them, though, and I don't think any of my friends or coworkers would either.

So you're either knowingly buying an inferior phone in the Note 4 or Nexus 6 for a higher markup, which makes you a poor consumer by your own example. Actually, in your own words: you would be a cash cow being fleeced by a company that sells equivalent (if we're being generous) products for a massive price premium.

Or you understand that different phones and features and styles have different values for different people and you can accept that people can find value in their Apple purchases and you can pipe down with your ridiculous talk of markups and specs?

 

[Red]

Tek, do you buy AMD because they have more GHz than Intel at a lower price?

 

[TekGryphon]

So you're either knowingly buying an inferior phone in the Note 4 or Nexus 6 for a higher markup, which makes you a poor consumer by your own example.

Oh for fuck's sake. Fine. If you're that desperate to score a point that you want to drag in imported Asian phones, then great. Here's your gold star.

You earned it.

Tek, do you buy AMD because they have more GHz than Intel at a lower price?

No, because while AMD makes good processors in certain segments, to choose them for that reason would require me to be a low-information consumer that isn't aware of all the other factors that go into selecting a processor. Good try, though - champ.

 

[Red]

Oh for fuck's sake. Fine. If you're that desperate to score a point that you want to drag in imported Asian phones, then great. Here's your gold star.

You earned it.

Samsung is an imported Asian brand.

 

[freenudemacusers]

op look what you have wrought upon this forum

 

[TekGryphon]

People aren't confused about the fact that the products have heavy markup. What people are confused about is why you think it's a bad thing

I just wanted to quote this one more time before I hop out of here. It sums it all up so beautifully.

Samsung is an imported Asian brand.

That's worth quoting to.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

I just wanted to quote this one more time before I hop out of here. It sums it all up so beautifully.

With your 'markup is ok as long as its not Apple' thing you've kind of proved you're comlpetely full of shit, anyway. Seeya!

 

[MiszMasz]

Monster Cables are good products. Dyson makes good products. Bose makes good products. Beats makes good products. Alienware makes good products.

Why are you so fucking dense that you can't understand why mark-ups are a legitimate topic of conversation in regards to Apple when NeoGAF spends pages and pages talking about it EVERY SINGLE DAY on dozens of other brands?

Why is Apple so touched by the 9 Divines that it's set aside, up on an altar, where we can't discuss it the same way we discuss EVERY OTHER BRAND.

You keep saying this, but just about every thread I've seen where a positive thing is said about an Apple product either in the OP or by a significant number of responders, someone like you (or, you) pops into the thread in an explosion of derision and angst, proceeding to rustle their own jimmies so hard it becomes impossible to tell where poster ends and jimmies begin.
And there are a whole load more threads where Apple comes up than vacuums or hdmi cable comparisons.

 

[ZeroX03]

Oh for fuck's sake. Fine. If you're that desperate to score a point that you want to drag in imported Asian phones, then great. Here's your gold star.

You earned it.

That was too easy.

 

[LeleSocho]

Because most people aren't going to consider buying and importing a Chinese brand?

I'm a huge fan of the One Plus One, and the Mi Note Pro is a great phone, too (although lacking an expandable port which I feel is critical). I personally wouldn't get either of them, though, and I don't think any of my friends or coworkers would either.

You are a big fan of a phone sold by a company that sells refurbished phones as new and that lies to costumers on their phone's size?
Don't tell me that you of all the people, after all the things you said prefer a company that straight out lies to you in order to make a couple of more bucks when selling a phone compared to one that simply has an higher perceived value between its userbase.

Gee talk about intellectual honesty, you are a fucking joke dude.

 

[Red]

What about people who buy used, or who get iPhones secondhand? Do they also deserve the brazen bull?

 

[BocoDragon]

I continue to observe that fanatical anti-Apple screeds are actually far, far more commonly stated than blind Apple fanboyism.

 

[Red]

No, because while AMD makes good processors in certain segments, to choose them for that reason would require me to be a low-information consumer that isn't aware of all the other factors that go into selecting a processor. Good try, though - champ.

You say this, while being so clearly uninformed about the performance of Apple's products that your assertions are meaningless.

 

[Kurdel]

I continue to observe that fanatical anti-Apple screeds are actually far, far more commonly stated than blind Apple fanboyism.

Yep.

 

[fritolay]

You could say the same thing about a good ole Chevrolet truck, but that doesn't mean it's fun to drive anymore. Boring.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

You say this, while being so clearly uninformed about the performance of Apple's products that your assertions are meaningless.

I think he's gone now, presumably had a stroke and took himself to the ER.

 

[EightBitNate]

You could say the same thing about a good ole Chevrolet truck, but that doesn't mean it's fun to drive anymore. Boring.

To be fair, having an OS that's boring isn't exactly a bad thing. Better boring than behaving unexpectedly.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Did you read the report?

Sales of smartphones is sales of smartphones. It doesn't factor in iTunes, Apple market purchases, gouging people $100 for replacing screens, etc.

It's simply sales of the smartphones, in which Apple is making 75%+ of the profits while selling only 15% of the units, because their mark-ups are so sky-high that it's boggling the market analysts.

Yes, sales of smartphones are sales of smartphones. And market share does not directly correlate to profit share. If it did then every company's only goal would be to maximize market share. There would be no high-end fashion, automotive, or food companies. The reason high-end companies do well is because the market they serve allows them to have a profit share that outstrips their market share.

Oh and kudos for editing my post when you quoted it so you could continue to ignore me about Unity.

You could say the same thing about a good ole Chevrolet truck, but that doesn't mean it's fun to drive anymore. Boring.

Honestly boring is exactly what I want out of a phone these days. I just want it to do it's job and stay the hell out of my way. I guess I am just old now.

Spoiler

Chevy! How dare you!? FORD 4 LYFE. CHEVY'S ARE FOR LOSERS!

 

[Dalek]

I think he's gone now, presumably had a stroke and took himself to the ER.

 

[Wreav]

I continue to observe that fanatical anti-Apple screeds are actually far, far more commonly stated than blind Apple fanboyism.

Apple users too busy having exciting, creative lives to post on message boards

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Honestly boring is exactly what I want out of a phone these days. I just want it to do it's job and stay the hell out of my way. I guess I am just old now.

Yeah, this is me. Android was fun in the customisation aspect but got sick of all the jank with the 3 phones I had. I'll pay more to not dick around finding workarounds for stuff that doesn't work. Plus I lost loads of money when I sold them.

The 6 Plus is the best phone I have ever used. I have had the original Droid, Galaxy Nexus, S3 and 5S. This is the best of all of those phones in one big beautiful device.

I've been eyeing off one of these but I think like my 5S it'll just stay in my bag at work. I use my laptop for texting and calls while I'm here so a new one seems kinda redundant. That monster screen and battery tho...

 

[Quake1028]

The 6 Plus is the best phone I have ever used. I have had the original Droid, Galaxy Nexus, S3 and 5S. This is the best of all of those phones in one big beautiful device.

 

[Messofanego]

op look what you have wrought upon this forum

Hehe, I already got my answers and now I can just watch people fight from the sidelines before this gets locked or someone gets banned

 

[richiek]

Hehe, I already got my answers and now I can just watch people fight from the sidelines before this gets locked or someone gets banned

TekGryphon seems to have taken a hiatus from this thread, nothing to see here.

 

[Draper]

Guys...they're fucking phones.

 

[KHarvey16]

Guys...they're fucking phones.

Wouldn't that hurt?!

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Guys...they're fucking phones.

Don't ruin the fun. I am having the most tedious Monday morning at work, that arguing was fun. It was light hearted anyway, I was just enjoying the crazy.

 

[Red]

Guys...they're fucking phones.

There is really only one person who needs the reminder.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Hehe, I already got my answers and now I can just watch people fight from the sidelines before this gets locked or someone gets banned

Nah, won't happen. Generally speaking mods don't give a flying fuck about smartphone warz.

 

[linsivvi]

Hehe, I already got my answers and now I can just watch people fight from the sidelines before this gets locked or someone gets banned

The thing about Samsung phones, if you do get it, is that you should root it. Touchwiz is just an abomination.