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[neogaffer1]

While I do agree with the attitude that if you absolutely know nothing about phones and just want one that works, getting an iPhone is fine, but all of those Verge quotes in the OP are mildly infuriating. They're a bottom tier site, and while some are arguing that they aren't biased towards Apple products, I would argue that they're not only biased towards them, but specifically against Android. I don't think they've said much criticism against any Windows or Apple product, and only a limited amount against BlackBerry, while at the same time they write off Android tablets in their "This is my Next" series because "[they] run Android," and it seems like they did something similar here, where they write off Android without really considering it.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

This thread is hilarious.

+1. :lol

 

[Regret Upon Approval]

I find the lack of a dedicated back button or lack of capac buttons to be an annoyance with iPhones that isn't mentioned much.

 

[Bacon]

I can't believe people still go to bat for these huge corporations like they do. It baffles me on gaming side and it's even more baffling here.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I find the lack of a dedicated back button or lack of capac buttons to be an annoyance with iPhones that isn't mentioned much.

Was never an issue for me personally. Either swipe back or there's a back button on the screen.

 

[Apath]

I feel dumber for reading this.

Well you are certainly now outwardly dumber for posting this. There is nothing ridiculous about calling iOS 8 out for being far below Apple's standards.

 

[richiek]

This thread is hilarious.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

I find the lack of a dedicated back button or lack of capac buttons to be an annoyance with iPhones that isn't mentioned much.

Isn't there usually a back button on the screen though? Same as settings button on Android.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

Whoa whoa whoa, you can't just drop that and walk away.

What do you recommend then, that offers everything Evernote has?

It's just that: Evernote does a whole lot of everything just OK and not a single thing well. The desktop software continues to feel bloated and sync is slow. I decided to focus on using services that do a single focus really well over a bloated suite. It still doesn't support plain notes either which is just aggravating. It's handling of tasks is mediocre at best.

Notes: good ole plain text files synced via dropbox. Access either through Write or Sublime Text

Bookmarking: Pinboard

Writing: Write or Sublime Text with Markdown

Task lists: Wunderlist or Things, I'm still going between the two though Todoist is looking more refined

File sharing: Droplr

Recipes: Paprika

Read later: Instapaper

Honest question: how can you decide what best suits your needs if you don't give a damn about specs? If you're not basing your decisions on actual data, then all that's left is marketing hype and hear-say.

The hardware is only part of the equation so the OS and software available are what I look for. Megapixel wars have proven to be pointless, cell phone displays are more dense than they've ever been, CPU's are incredibly power, etc. Getting caught up in the minutia of a quad-core 2.5GHz Snapdragon 800 vs a Snapdragon 801 just does nothing for me anymore. It did 3 years ago when Android phones were really struggling and advancing rapidly, but now? Nah, there isn't much to stress out over. Any phone you buy now should last you 2 years easily without much worry. They're all just incredibly powerful.

This isn't exclusive to cellphones, but most consumer hardware: cameras, laptops, desktops, HDTV, tablets, etc, etc. Yes there are some aspects of them that will cause the die hards to debate and look for a better solution. However, from the view point of a consumer who is not looking to tweak their phone or run Far Cray 4 at 60fps it just doesn't pay to stress over all of it.

 

[KHarvey16]

Well you are certainly now outwardly dumber for posting this. There is nothing ridiculous about calling iOS 8 out for being far below Apple's standards.

Lol, "bug riddled garbage" translates to simply "below Apple's standards." Don't hurt yourself moving those goalposts!

 

[Apath]

Lol, "bug riddled garbage" translates to simply "below Apple's standards." Don't hurt yourself moving those goalposts!

It is bug riddled garbage and far below Apple's standards. There are no goalposts being moved and nothing contradictory in what I am saying. I frequent numerous Apple communities and a good portion complain about the same crap quite often.

 

[diaspora]

It is bug riddled garbage and far below Apple's standards. There are no goalposts being moved and nothing contradictory in what I am saying. I frequent numerous Apple communities and a good portion complain about the same crap quite often.

How could it be bug riddled garbage? iOS 7 was already behind Kitkat in app stability, how is it able to get worse?

 

[KHarvey16]

It is bug riddled garbage and far below Apple's standards. There are no goalposts being moved and nothing contradictory in what I am saying. I frequent numerous Apple communities and a good portion complain about the same crap quite often.

Calling iOS 8 "bug riddled garbage" is completely worthy of derision. It's ridiculous hyperbole, and your initial reaction to tone that down to simply "below Apple's standards" suggests you know that.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

It is bug riddled garbage and far below Apple's standards. There are no goalposts being moved and nothing contradictory in what I am saying. I frequent numerous Apple communities and a good portion complain about the same crap quite often.

Sounds like you're just parroting Marco's blog post about Apple. iOS 8 and OSX 10.10 are certainly filled with some problems, but calling them bug riddled garbage is a bit much.

 

[Apath]

How could it be bug riddled garbage? iOS 7 was already behind Kitkat in app stability, how is it able to get worse?

iOS has always been very simple, intuitive, and yes, "just works." Now very simple tasks such as phone calls, video chat, and notifications have a lot of bugs associated with them. Common bugs that I frequently read people looking for fixes on or pleading others to report to Apple so that they can handle them.

It is just so strange and makes me feel like it was rushed.

Sounds like you're just parroting Marco's blog post about Apple. iOS 8 and OSX 10.10 are certainly filled with some problems, but calling them bug riddled garbage is a bit much.

I don't know who Marco is and I do not use OSX so I cannot comment. Obviously calling iOS 8 garbage is hyperbole, but I do not think it is unwarranted. It is really fristrating as someone who has been using iPhones since the 3GS.

Calling iOS 8 "bug riddled garbage" is completely worthy of derision. It's ridiculous hyperbole, and your initial reaction to tone that down to simply "below Apple's standards" suggests you know that.

I am not trying to tone down anything and I will reaffirm my initial post multiple times over. It completely deserves to be called out so that hopefully things change in the future. I consider it poor enough that if the quality of iOS8 carries on to future iOS releases, I will not be buying an iPhone. Calling it garbage is hyperbole, considering it's not literally garbage and an exagerration to express my frustration with it, but it's bad enough to turn me off as a long time user.

 

[Messofanego]

I can't believe people still go to bat for these huge corporations like they do. It baffles me on gaming side and it's even more baffling here.

Big corporations means lots of advertising which leads to lots of brand loyalty.

 

[Bgamer90]

This thread man lol.

Reminding me so much of a kid I went to school with in the 2nd grade that spent more time forcing his Game Gear on to others who were playing their Game Boy Pockets instead of actually using the system/playing Sega Game Gear games.

 

[KHarvey16]

I am not trying to tone down anything and I will reaffirm my initial post multiple times over. It completely deserves to be called out so that hopefully things change in the future. I consider it poor enough that if the quality of iOS8 carries on to future iOS releases, I will not be buying an iPhone. Calling it garbage is hyperbole, considering it's not literally garbage and an exagerration to express my frustration with it, but it's bad enough to turn me off as a long time user.

"Bug riddled" is absolute fantasy. Give it up.

 

[Apath]

"Bug riddled" is absolute fantasy. Give it up.

I run into numerous glitches and crashes every day. To me, that is bug riddled. I am sorry that my experiences and views upset you, but it is based on my experiences with the device using it for hours every day as my primary device.

 

[LCfiner]

I wonder if there are threads where people are screaming over which blender is better and resorting to petty name calling?

reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend a couple years ago wondering if there were people out there fighting about which of the two competing brands of pod based coffee makers was better.

Like, are there terribly insulting posts from Keurig and Tassimo owners describing people who own one or the other as shit-licking monkey fuckers?

 

[Nastrodamous]

This thread man lol.

Reminding me so much of a kid I went to school with in the 2nd grade that spent more time forcing his Game Gear on to others who were playing their Game Boy Pockets instead of actually using the system/playing Sega Game Gear games.

His game gear probably ran out of batteries

 

[KHarvey16]

I run into numerous glitches and crashes every day. To me, that is bug riddled. I am sorry that my experiences and views upset you, but it is based on my experiences with the device using it for hours every day as my primary device.

I use iOS 8 for hours every day too. I have almost no issues whatsoever. Either your usage patterns are uncommon or unique or you think you have more problems than you do. Your propensity to exaggerate and use hyperbole doesn't paint you as an accurate judge.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

I use iOS 8 for hours every day too. I have almost no issues whatsoever. Either your usage patterns are uncommon or unique or you think you have more problems than you do. Your propensity to exaggerate and use hyperbole doesn't paint you as an accurate judge.

This back and forth reminds me a bit of some Android forums where a user would be pissing and moaning over their phone crashing as if it was common for all phones. Only to mentioned 50 replies later "I'm running X ROM with my CPU overclocked to X."

I don't doubt their experience problems, but I think there is some placebo happening. They mention reading a bunch of people complaining about problems and they're experiencing them too. Are they suddenly experiencing them because they know what to look for?

 

[ayeorkean]

As far as RAM management, iOS is better. My guess because of android fragmentation developers never fully take advantage of the hardware capabilities. So androids with 3gb of ram is really just for storing apps in the background unless the developer really wants to implement it.

http://www.xda-developers.com/a-look-into-instagrams-compression-quality/

https://vsco.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/200323170-VSCO-Cam-Are-my-images-in-full-resolution-

As far as profit is concerned, why would anybody be upset that they make profit? Isn't that the point of a business? They just added thousands of $30,000 jobs in Texas just for customer support. So it seems they're investing those profits into a better overall customer experience. They have manufacturing down to an art and are able to reduce manufacturing cost. Boohoo.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE82812J20120309?irpc=932

I have iOS 8 installed on 4 devices yes the first release of any software is always buggy. But it's just software and they are doing a lot. A friend received lollipop for his 2013 nexus 7, and it made the device completely unstable. So for now he is holding off on installing lollipop on the nexus 5. Those are flagship android devices. The iPad 2 is still receiving updates while many android devices will never receive an update let alone lollipop.

 

[Apath]

I use iOS 8 for hours every day too. I have almost no issues whatsoever. Either your usage patterns are uncommon or unique or you think you have more problems than you do. Your propensity to exaggerate and use hyperbole doesn't paint you as an accurate judge.

Haha, come on, everyone exaggerates and uses hyperbole especially when frustrated. If you've noticed, I actually explain clearly why I feel the way I do when people engage me in real discussion. You're right that my initial post was a bit inflammatory and thus my response was unwarranted, but I promise you my issues are not unique.

You really have no crashes in Safari, have issues with notifications preventing you from changing orientation, or Face Time glitches such as not being able to return to a call dorectly from the app? These are issues that are very consistent in occuring and I'd be very surprised if a regular user doesn't experience these. Unless you don't use the browser much, do not get many notifications, and never use Face Time.

 

[rezuth]

Big corporations means lots of advertising which leads to lots of brand loyalty.

If that was true Samsung would have the most brand loyalty. There is a lot more to it than just throwing money at your advertising agency.

 

[m_shortpants]

how was the latency? I've only ever used to Vita and my PS3. But outside my own wifi I might as well not even bother.

It's playable on 4G. Obv for best results you need to be on wifi.

 

[Sir Abacus]

As far as RAM management, iOS is better. My guess because of android fragmentation developers never fully take advantage of the hardware capabilities. So androids with 3gb of ram is really just for storing apps in the background unless the developer really wants to implement it.

http://www.xda-developers.com/a-look-into-instagrams-compression-quality/

https://vsco.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/200323170-VSCO-Cam-Are-my-images-in-full-resolution-

This. Like the Samsung Galaxy S4 has 2GB of RAM but its heap is limited to 512MB.

In the case of iOS the heap is limited to all available memory which is often in the 650-700MB range.

 

[Deleted member 12837]

Haha, come on, everyone exaggerates and uses hyperbole especially when frustrated. If you've noticed, I actually explain clearly why I feel the way I do when people engage me in real discussion. You're right that my initial post was a bit inflammatory and thus my response was unwarranted, but I promise you my issues are not unique.

You really have no crashes in Safari, have issues with notifications preventing you from changing orientation, or Face Time glitches such as not being able to return to a call dorectly from the app? These are issues that are very consistent in occuring and I'd be very surprised if a regular user doesn't experience these. Unless you don't use the browser much, do not get many notifications, and never use Face Time.

I've had none of those issues *shrug* . I never hear my friends complain about iOS 8 bugs either.

 

[MilkLizard]

reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend a couple years ago wondering if there were people out there fighting about which of the two competing brands of pod based coffee makers was better.

Like, are there terribly insulting posts from Keurig and Tassimo owners describing people who own one or the other as shit-licking monkey fuckers?

Come on now. Everybody in their right mind knows Nespresso is the best.

Spoiler

I'm Kidding

 

[Sir Abacus]

Come on now. Everybody in their right mind knows Nespresso is the best.

Spoiler

I'm Kidding

You know that George Clooney got a lifetime achievement award for that coffee. Or at least that's how I've come to understand the situation.

 

[Cipherr]

Calling iOS 8 "bug riddled garbage" is completely worthy of derision. It's ridiculous hyperbole, and your initial reaction to tone that down to simply "below Apple's standards" suggests you know that.

On the flip side of that. That statement is as easily hyperbolic as the

Buy an iPhone if you just want something that works out of the box.

As if Android phones require 16 hours of setup and a bachelors to figure out how to make a phone call or launch the browser. Its such a stupid statement because it pretends an Android phone DOESN'T just work out of the box.

 

[LCfiner]

Come on now. Everybody in their right mind knows Nespresso is the best.

Spoiler

I'm Kidding

Nespresso does have the milk frother thingamajig. that counts for something, I guess.

 

[KHarvey16]

Haha, come on, everyone exaggerates and uses hyperbole especially when frustrated. If you've noticed, I actually explain clearly why I feel the way I do when people engage me in real discussion. You're right that my initial post was a bit inflammatory and thus my response was unwarranted, but I promise you my issues are not unique.

You really have no crashes in Safari, have issues with notifications preventing you from changing orientation, or Face Time glitches such as not being able to return to a call dorectly from the app? These are issues that are very consistent in occuring and I'd be very surprised if a regular user doesn't experience these. Unless you don't use the browser much, do not get many notifications, and never use Face Time.

Safari has been great, and I use the browser more than anything. I don't experience crashes with any regularity and wouldn't be able to tell you when the last time I had one was. I've never had an issue with notifications either, and I admittedly use facetime infrequently. Aside from poor connections and things like that though I've never had a problem there either.

 

[MarkMclovin]

It has 1 giant problem. A shitty old UI.

 

[TekGryphon]

As far as profit is concerned, why would anybody be upset that they make profit?

Making 75%+ of the market's profits while selling only 15% of the units is great for Apple.

You're not Apple, though. You're Apple's customer.

In case you're confused, just remember that profit = sales - cost of goods sold, where sales are the price you're paying for the phones, and COGS is what it costs Apple to build and sell it.

So you tell me - why do YOU think people should be upset or not?

 

[KHarvey16]

Making 75%+ of the market's profits while selling only 15% of the units is great for Apple.

You're not Apple, though. You're Apple's customer.

You tell me why you should be upset or not.

And in case you're confused, just remember that profit = sales (the amount they sell the phones for) - cost of goods sold (the price of the components of the phone)

Cost is not merely what they paid for the components, professor.

 

[legacyzero]

As a Note 3 user, and Note 4 future purchaser, go for the Note 4. It's a powerhouse, the battery life is NUCLEAR, the build is premium, and the stylus support is simply amazing.

Iphone is none of those things IMO.

And yeah, MKBHD is my #1 source of phone reviews. He's what sold me on the Note 3.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Are people in here actually upset that one company makes shitloads of money and their competitors don't? Why?

 

[KHarvey16]

Are people in here actually upset that one company makes shitloads of money and their competitors don't? Why?

Because Apple does it, and if Apple does it you know it's bad. It's how simple minds work.

 

[ZeroX03]

As a Note 3 user, and Note 4 future purchaser, go for the Note 4. It's a powerhouse, the battery life is NUCLEAR, the build is premium, and the stylus support is simply amazing.

Iphone is none of those things IMO.

They both have great battery life. There's no real opinion to be had there, unless you really like high intensity graphics rendered at low framerates.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

"Bug riddled" is absolute fantasy. Give it up.

Sorry but no it's not fantasy. It's reality for many iOS 8 users. Myself self among them. Encountering bugs daily is pretty bad for an OS. The phrase is accurate.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Because Apple does it, and if Apple does it you know it's bad. It's how simple minds work.

Yeah, I don't get it. They should be upset their company of choice can't convince people to buy their stuff.

That said, Apple can fuck right off with their Lightning cable pricing!

 

[legacyzero]

They both have great battery life. There's no real opinion to be had there, unless you really like high intensity graphics rendered at low framerates.

My co-worker has a 6plus, and told me the battery life was bad. So I was just going off of that

 

[KHarvey16]

Sorry but no it's not fantasy. It's reality for many iOS 8 users. Myself self among them. Encountering bugs daily is pretty bad for an OS. The phrase is accurate.

Daily? I've never met anyone with an iPhone who has had such an experience. I am just about convinced it only arises in the most corner of corner cases. On a daily basis I experience no bugs.

 

[BigDug13]

My co-worker has a 6plus, and told me the battery life was bad. So I was just going off of that

What are they comparing it to, iphone 5S tethered to a car battery? 6+ has fantastic battery life.

They need to go into their location settings and change the apps that use GPS to not use it constantly.

 

[ZeroX03]

My co-worker has a 6plus, and told me the battery life was bad. So I was just going off of that

If we're going by anecdotes, my 6 Plus lasts for three days without a charge while my Note 3 couldn't last a day. That's what benchmarks and trying a phone out for yourself is for.

 

[Red]

Making 75%+ of the market's profits while selling only 15% of the units is great for Apple.

You're not Apple, though. You're Apple's customer.

In case you're confused, just remember that profit = sales - cost of goods sold, where sales are the price you're paying for the phones, and COGS is what it costs Apple to build and sell it.

So you tell me - why do YOU think people should be upset or not?

Does this entire argument boil down to you being angry at Apple for being successful?

If Android owned industry profits the same way, would you be arguing against Google?

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Does this entire argument boil down to you being angry at Apple for being successful?

If Android owned industry profits the same way, would you be arguing against Google?

I think he's upset as people are supposedly paying those prices for something inferior specs-wise (ecosystems aside).

This despite most people being on a plan and the cost of said phone being absorbed into the plan they'd be paying for anyway, meaning most people don't give a shit about the outright RRP.

 

[BiggNife]

Honestly, the only draw for me to get an iPhone is the games because as a gamer, I've heard of a lot of cool games and know they'll never leave the iOS space (Monument Valley, The Sailor's Dream, 80 Days, Hitman GO, Crossy Road).

uh, every game you just listed except for Sailor's Dream is on Android.

Granted, iOS always gets games first, but the Android games market isn't as desolate as it was a few years ago. Popular games on iOS almost always get Android ports a few months later with only a few exceptions.

I dunno, I think Android vs iPhone at this point is really just a matter of preference. I prefer Google's ecosystem over Apple's so I got a LG G3 and I'm pretty happy with it overall. Crashes occasionally, but definitely not enough to be a major issue.