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[Messofanego]

uh, every game you just listed except for Sailor's Dream is on Android.

You literally cut out the next sentence in the OP where I point that out lol. My main question to the gaming part wasn't that, it was whether playing games on android phones is worse or about the same as iPhone. And now that I know there isn't, my question was answered.

 

[adamsappel]

That said, Apple can fuck right off with their Lightning cable pricing!

Don't buy Apple's Lightning cables, then. There have been links to $10 cables. I'm more than happy to pay the extra $5 over a micro/mini-USB cable just to never have to orient the cable.

 

[BlastProcessing]

I wonder if there are threads where people are screaming over which blender is better and resorting to petty name calling?

The worst I have ever seen was the Great HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray wars on AVSforum. Every thread devolved into something out of Event Horizon.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Don't buy Apple's Lightning cables, then. There have been links to $10 cables. I'm more than happy to pay the extra $5 over a micro/mini-USB cable just to never have to orient the cable.

I do, and have been, but have had issues with OS updates blocking the cables saying they're unsupported. $40 for a simple charging cable is absurd. That said, have managed to find some that seem to fall under Made for iOS for only $16 or so.

 

[Red]

I do, and have been, but have had issues with OS updates blocking the cables saying they're unsupported. $40 for a simple charging cable is absurd. That said, have managed to find some that seem to fall under Made for iOS for only $16 or so.

monoprice sells certified lightning cables for $12.

 

[TekGryphon]

Does this entire argument boil down to you being angry at Apple for being successful?

If Android owned industry profits the same way, would you be arguing against Google?

You're still not quite getting it, and that's because you're still personally identifying yourself with Apple. It's a common problem, and one we've witness a few times right here in this thread.

Step back from your brand fantasism. Way back. WAAAAAY back.

Now think about it again.

Out of every phone being sold in the smartphone market, Apple is only selling less than 15% of them. Out of all the profits made in the smartphone market, Apple is making more than 75% of them.

Is it penetrating yet? Are you almost there?

Cost is not merely what they paid for the components, professor.

Correct, but it's not worth mentioning the rest. Samsung, Motorola, and all the rest have to deal with supply lines, fabrication runs, and customer support. The only things worth considering are cost effeciences of scale, but that argument actually runs against Apple since it's selling a third as many phones as Samsung. I decided to leave that out, and not rub it in, because Finance 101 is already hard enough for some of these guys without making it more complex.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

You're still not quite getting it, and that's because you're still personally identifying yourself with Apple. It's a common problem, and one we've witness a few times right here in this thread.

Step back from your brand fantasism. Way back. WAAAAAY back.

Now think about it again.

Out of every phone being sold in the smartphone market, Apple is only selling less than 15% of them. Out of all the profits made in the smartphone market, Apple is making more than 75% of them.

Is it penetrating yet? Are you almost there?

So...they're making shitloads of money...

...

Are profitable companies bad? I thought that would be a company's ideal situation. Manufacture less units than the competition and steamroll them in profits. Why is it a bad thing?

 

[TekGryphon]

You literally cut out the next sentence in the OP where I point that out lol. My main question to the gaming part wasn't that, it was whether playing games on android phones is worse or about the same as iPhone. And now that I know there isn't, my question was answered.

It's exactly the same except:

- Apple has a few more exclusives than Android does.
- Android handles multi-tasking better if you're switching back and forth out of a game (I do this a lot).
- Android handles emulation really well with thousands of awesome games

 

[TekGryphon]

So...they're making shitloads of money...

...

Are profitable companies bad? I thought that would be a company's ideal situation. Manufacture less units than the competition and steamroll them in profits. Why is it a bad thing?

Oh... Lord... I don't know if I can help you. Let me try one more time.

YOU ARE NOT APPLE.

You are not making Apple's huge profits despite selling relatively few phones.

You are the REASON Apple is making huge profits despite selling relatively few phones. YOUR money is THEIR profits, and they are making HUGE profits because they are selling inferior hardware at MASSIVE mark-ups.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Oh... Lord... I don't know if I can help you. Let me try one more time.

YOU ARE NOT APPLE.

You are not making Apple's huge profits despite selling relatively few phones.

You are the REASON Apple is making huge profits despite selling relatively few phones.

I couldn't give a single shit about how much money Apple makes. Why do YOU care?

 

[Dalek]

Oh... Lord... I don't know if I can help you. Let me try one more time.

YOU ARE NOT APPLE.

You are not making Apple's huge profits despite selling relatively few phones.

You are the REASON Apple is making huge profits despite selling relatively few phones. YOUR money is THEIR profits, and they are making HUGE profits because they are selling inferior hardware at MASSIVE mark-ups.

And again-why does that seem to bother you? You're a really strange dude.

 

[Servbot24]

This is painful to read. Yet I can't turn away.

 

[TekGryphon]

And again-why does that seem to bother you? You're a really strange dude.

Let's be clear, the thing that's bothering me isn't Apple. It's Apple's customers who think they're shareholders.

Why did we have a big thread on Dyson making huge profits by selling average vacuum cleaners for a massive mark-up. Why do we have big threads on Bose speakers, Beats headphones, Monster Cables, Alienware (back in the day) and every other over-priced product on the market?

There will always be companies that sell average or below-average goods for massive mark-ups to low information consumers. The problem is that, on every other topic, 99% of us can sit there and agree "Yeah, Dyson sucks, Beats suck, Bose sucks, Monster Cables, suck, etc".

But Apple. Apple is the one company we can't have that conversation on, because you guys actually IDENTIFY yourself with Apple, and see yourself as being shareholders. You're completely cool with paying massive mark-ups for inferior hardware because no matter how much money you flush down the toilet, at the end of the day you see Apple's stock rise and you go "Wow, I'm really doing great!". It is the most bizarre cult-like mentality I have ever seen. I mean you hear weird shit, but this is something you can actually observe.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Let's be clear, the thing that's bothering me isn't Apple. It's Apple's customers who think they're shareholders.

Why did we have a big thread on Dyson making huge profits by selling average vacuum cleaners for a massive mark-up. Why do we have big threads on Bose speakers and Beats headphones?

There will always be companies that sell average or below-average goods for massive mark-ups to low information consumers. The problem is that, on every other topic, 99% of us can sit there and agree "Yeah, Dyson sucks, Beats suck, Bose sucks, Monster Cables, suck, etc".

But Apple. Apple is the one company we can't have that conversation on, because you guys actually IDENTIFY yourself with Apple, and see yourself as being shareholders.

I don't see myself as a shareholder. Like I said I couldn't give a shit about how much money they make or how. You, however, seem really angry about it.

 

[Dalek]

Let's be clear, the thing that's bothering me isn't Apple. It's Apple's customers who think they're shareholders.

Why did we have a big thread on Dyson making huge profits by selling average vacuum cleaners for a massive mark-up. Why do we have big threads on Bose speakers, Beats headphones, Monster Cables, Alienware (back in the day) and every other over-priced product on the market?

There will always be companies that sell average or below-average goods for massive mark-ups to low information consumers. The problem is that, on every other topic, 99% of us can sit there and agree "Yeah, Dyson sucks, Beats suck, Bose sucks, Monster Cables, suck, etc".

But Apple. Apple is the one company we can't have that conversation on, because you guys actually IDENTIFY yourself with Apple, and see yourself as being shareholders.

....
....

This really seems like some "Don Quixote fighting windmills in your head"-like battle.

 

[KHarvey16]

Let's be clear, the thing that's bothering me isn't Apple. It's Apple's customers who think they're shareholders.

Why did we have a big thread on Dyson making huge profits by selling average vacuum cleaners for a massive mark-up. Why do we have big threads on Bose speakers, Beats headphones, Monster Cables, Alienware (back in the day) and every other over-priced product on the market?

There will always be companies that sell average or below-average goods for massive mark-ups to low information consumers. The problem is that, on every other topic, 99% of us can sit there and agree "Yeah, Dyson sucks, Beats suck, Bose sucks, Monster Cables, suck, etc".

But Apple. Apple is the one company we can't have that conversation on, because you guys actually IDENTIFY yourself with Apple, and see yourself as being shareholders.

The entire narrative of "herp derp stupid dummies overpaying for bad things derrrrp" is simple minded nonsense. In every case. People pay what they think is fair for things they want. I have no problem paying for an Apple phone because I want one and I think it's worth the price. Millions upon millions of people make that decision every quarter, and to shield your fragile ego from considering what you like isn't necessarily objectively the best or most correct, you invent a story where they only do it because they're dumb and you aren't. It's insecure and childish.

 

[Apath]

There will always be companies that sell average or below-average goods for massive mark-ups to low information consumers. The problem is that, on every other topic, 99% of us can sit there and agree "Yeah, Dyson sucks, Beats suck, Bose sucks, Monster Cables, suck, etc".

Apple does not make below-average or even average goods. They continually set the standard and are often the product to beat in each market they enter. They are not perfect, but you are horribly underselling Apple by calling their main-line products "average."

 

[TekGryphon]

I don't see myself as a shareholder. Like I said I couldn't give a shit about how much money they make or how. You, however, seem really angry about it.

Ok? So do you give a shit about Dyson making average vacuum cleaners and selling them for huge mark-ups?

If not, you better run into that thread and make sure everyone knows that you don't give a shit.

 

[squidyj]

I love my 6+ with 128GB. I have the Apple leather case to prevent slippage.

I love my 6+ with 64GB. I have the Apple leather case to prevent slippage.

why are these two posts exactly the same except for the memory capacity?
it honestly creeps me the fuck out.

 

[TekGryphon]

Apple does not make below-average or even average goods. They continually set the standards and are often the product to beat in each market they enter. They are not perfect, but you are horribly underselling Apple by calling their main-line products "average."

Then explain to us how Apple is making over 75% of the profits in the smartphone market while selling only 15% of the units?

The entire narrative of "herp derp stupid dummies overpaying for bad things derrrrp" is simple minded nonsense.

You too.

If you're trying to claim Apple consumers aren't massively overpaying for Apple phones, then explain the massive discrepancy between unit share and profit share.

Or is your argument that Apple consumers know they're massively overpaying? Because that does not seem to be the case.

 

[Dalek]

why are these two posts exactly the same except for the memory capacity?
it honestly creeps me the fuck out.

Wow good catch. The fuck is going on there.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Ok? So do you give a shit about Dyson making average vacuum cleaners and selling them for huge mark-ups?

If not, you better run into that thread and make sure everyone knows that you don't give a shit.

Err, no. Not sure why I should care that a company makes loads of money. Should I? Noone's forcing anyone to buy anything.

Then explain to us how Apple is making over 75% of the profits in the smartphone market while selling only 15% of the units?

It would seem that people are happy to pay the higher price for them. Madness.

 

[Apath]

Then explain to us how Apple is making over 75% of the profits in the smartphone market while selling only 15% of the units?

I fail to see how that has anything to do with the quality of Apple products.

If you're trying to claim Apple consumers aren't massively overpaying for Apple phones, then explain the massive discrepancy between unit share and profit share.

Or is your argument that Apple consumers know they're massively overpaying? Because that does not seem to be the case.

Please define overpaying. Is it not overpaying once the profit margins are 0.0%? People see Apple products, like them, trust the brand, enjoy the experience they deliver, and thus are happy to pay for them. Apple faced a massive iPhone 6/+ shortage at release, implying to me that, if anything, Apple wasn't charging enough.

 

[ZeroX03]

This thread is still delivering!

 

[KHarvey16]

You too.

If your trying to claim Apple consumers aren't massively overpaying for Apple phones, then explain the massive discrepancy between unit share and profit share.

"If you think the sky is blue, then explain why ants aren't purple!"

Your "point" is a non sequitur. If a market buys a product by the millions, it cannot be over priced.

 

[Messofanego]

why are these two posts exactly the same except for the memory capacity?
it honestly creeps me the fuck out.

I thought it was a joke on the thing about religion I said in the OP so they were acting like a cult repeating things. I laughed when I first read them nearly back to back.

 

[Dalek]

Err, no. Not sure why I should care that a company makes loads of money. Should I? Noone's forcing anyone to buy anything.

It would seem that people are happy to pay the higher price for them. Madness.

 

[TekGryphon]

It would seem that people are happy to pay the higher price for them.

Correct. Apple consumers are happy to pay massive mark-ups in return for the Apple Logo.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Fucking LOL.

"RIDDLE ME THIS... HOW is this company making money on their products? They seem to have a high markup on them and everything!"

Unsolved mysteries.

Correct. Apple consumers are happy to pay massive mark-ups in return for the Apple Logo.

Mystery solved!

 

[Servbot24]

Correct. Apple consumers are happy to pay massive mark-ups in return for the Apple Logo.

Uh, welcome to marketing?


Anyways I got my iPhone for free and love it. I enjoy it more than the Android I had paid $200 for.

 

[KHarvey16]

Correct. Apple consumers are happy to pay massive mark-ups in return for the Apple Logo.

No, they pay what they think is fair for the phone that they want. People like a thing you don't.

 

[TekGryphon]

"If you think the sky is blue, then explain why ants aren't purple!"

Your "point" is a non sequitur. If a market buys a product by the millions, it cannot be over priced.

By your logic Monster Cables aren't over-priced.

That is a stupid logic that promotes ignorant consumerism and I invite you to find your way over to any AV discussion and start pushing that bullshit.

No, they pay what they think is fair for the phone that they want. People like a thing you don't.

Again. If you took this anti-intellectual approach to consumerism anywhere else on this forum and tried to push it, you'd be mocked relentlessly.

But here, in a discussion on Apple, not only do YOU actually believe you're making a good point - but the other Apple consumers in here do, too.

 

[Dalek]

If the majority of people buy a Samsung product, are they paying for a Samsung logo, or are all they incredibly savvy, price conscious individuals?

 

[richiek]

Kudos to TekGryphon. Trying to save us poor sheeple from the tyranny of the evil Apple Inc.

 

[KHarvey16]

By your logic Monster Cables aren't over-priced.

That is a stupid logic that promotes ignorant consumerism and I invite you to find your way over to any AV discussion and start pushing that bullshit.

Cables are simple, phones are not. Monster seems to do ok selling cables, so for the market they target it would appear they aren't over priced. I'm sorry economics and rational thinking hurt you so much.

Again. If you took this anti-intellectual approach to consumerism anywhere else on this forum and tried to push it, you'd be mocked relentlessly.

But here, in a discussion on Apple, not only do YOU actually believe you're making a good point - but the other Apple consumers in here do, too.

Appeal to the majority - logical fallacy (which is also false by the way, I do this often and am only mocked by simpletons...most understand). Your reasoning is absolutely horrendous and you should be ashamed.

 

[TekGryphon]

Cables are simple, phones are not. Monster seems to do ok selling cables, so for the market they target it would appear they aren't over priced. I'm sorry economics and rational thinking hurt you so much.

HDMI cables are simple? How about noise-cancelling headphones? How about audiophile speakers? How about computers?

According to your logic, it is irrational to point out that Bose, Beats, Monster Cables, and Alienware are poor consumer purchases because of the massive mark-up those companies charge for the product.

Yet somehow we have those conversations every. single. day.

But not with Apple. With Apple, we're not allowed to point out the mark-ups. To do so is somehow anti-capitalism and ignorant of the wishes of the consumer market.

What a bunch of sack-riding nonsense.

Appeal to the majority - logical fallacy

Oh, look. Someone's in their freshman year of undergrad.

 

[Apath]

HDMI cables are simple? How about noise-cancelling headphones? How about audiophile speakers? How about computers?

According to your logic, it is irrational to point out that Bose, Beats, Monster Cables, and Alienware are poor consumer purchases because of the massive mark-up those companies charge for the product.

Yet somehow we have those conversations every. single. day.

But not with Apple. With Apple, we're not allowed to point out the mark-ups. To do so is somehow anti-capitalism and ignorant of the wishes of the consumer market.

What a bunch of sack-riding nonsense.

If you buy a Monster HDMI cable or a monoprice HDMI cable, you're getting the same exact thing. That is not the case with an iPhone versus any other phone on the market and vice versa. This analogy doesn't hold.

 

[KHarvey16]

HDMI cables are simple?

Yes.

How about noise-cancelling headphones? How about audiophile speakers? How about computers?

No on those. I was talking about cables.

According to your logic, it is irrational to point out that Bose, Beats, Monster Cables, and Alienware are poor consumer purchases because of the massive mark-up those companies charge for the product.

Correct. You might be catching on. Consumers can choose to purchase something for reasons other than technical details. Beats are mostly purchased because people like the way they look. This reason is no more or less valid than buying headphones because they sound better.

Yet somehow we have those conversations every. single. day.

But not with Apple. With Apple, we're not allowed to point out the mark-ups. To do so is somehow anti-capitalism and ignorant of the wishes of the consumer market.

What a bunch of sack-riding nonsense.

You're very insecure.

Oh, look. Someone's in their freshman year of undergrad.

Ad hominem. Are you purposely trying to check off every logical fallacy or what? As a display of poor reasoning your posts are second to none, I will grant you that.

 

[rezuth]

HDMI cables are simple? How about noise-cancelling headphones? How about audiophile speakers? How about computers?

According to your logic, it is irrational to point out that Bose, Beats, Monster Cables, and Alienware are poor consumer purchases because of the massive mark-up those companies charge for the product.

Yet somehow we have those conversations every. single. day.

But not with Apple. With Apple, we're not allowed to point out the mark-ups. To do so is somehow anti-capitalism and ignorant of the wishes of the consumer market.

What a bunch of sack-riding nonsense.



Oh, look. Someone's in their freshman year of undergrad.

Beats are sold more of an fashion accessory than anything else. They have a preset EQ with emphasis on heavy bass which most average consumers like.. because guess what? Music and the like is subjective!

 

[Ollie Pooch]

HDMI cables are simple? How about noise-cancelling headphones? How about audiophile speakers? How about computers?

According to your logic, it is irrational to point out that Bose, Beats, Monster Cables, and Alienware are poor consumer purchases because of the massive mark-up those companies charge for the product.

Yet somehow we have those conversations every. single. day.

But not with Apple. With Apple, we're not allowed to point out the mark-ups. To do so is somehow anti-capitalism and ignorant of the wishes of the consumer market.

What a bunch of sack-riding nonsense.

Has your point all along simply been that Apple marks up their hardware? No shit.

 

[TekGryphon]

If you buy a Monster HDMI cable or a monoprice HDMI cable, you're getting the same exact thing. That is not the case with an iPhone versus any other phone on the market and vice versa. This analogy doesn't hold.

If you buy a Dyson you're getting technology that no other manufacturer uses. Bose, Beats, Alienware, and other companies that thrive on massive mark-ups all point out the same thing.

It doesn't change the fact that Dyson charges a massive mark-up for the product they sell, and so do all those other companies, and so does Apple.

But somehow we can discuss those other companies every single day, but we can't point it out about Apple, because that would make us "irrational" and "ignorant of economics".

 

[Bgamer90]

Has your point all along simply been that Apple marks up their hardware? No shit.

Companies make products more than they are worth to gain profit?

OH MY GOODNESS! My mind is blown.

 

[KHarvey16]

Has your point all along simply been that Apple marks up their hardware? No shit.

He doesn't like something, and because he lacks the fortitude to simply have confidence in his own conclusions in the face of millions of people disagreeing, he makes up childish stories about how he is the smart one and they're all dumb. We should have pity on him.

 

[Dalek]

Can someone make a Wayne Knight from Jurassic Park GIF with him saying "Apple's overpriced! Apple's overpriced! See? Nobody cares."

 

[TekGryphon]

Correct. You might be catching on. Consumers can choose to purchase something for reasons other than technical details. Beats are mostly purchased because people like the way they look. This reason is no more or less valid than buying headphones because they sound better.

Ah, now I see where your hang-up is.

We're in a thread about the iPhone 6. Specifically about the iPhone 6 being a perfect device, without any flaws in its execution or sale.

Dozens of people are in here attempting to point out those flaws. Some are pointing out the buggy iOS8, some are pointing out the low resolution screen, others are pointing out the limited RAM that impacts user experience, while others are pointing out the lack of expandable memory or replaceable batteries. Some of us are simply arguing that the massive mark-ups, asking consumers to pay hundreds of dollars more than what competitors are selling for the same (or better, in many cases) technology, is in itself a flaw.

You're confused, though. Because you think this is a conversation about whether Apple should legally be allowed to sell their phones or whether consumers should legally be allowed to buy them. You think I, and perhaps others, are arguing that Apple shouldn't be allowed to sell their devices with a massive brand-tax. Your fellow Apple brand-loyalist sack-riders are also suffering from this same confusion, which is why they seem to need to fight to the death to hand-wave away any flaw anyone has pointed out in the last 10 pages.

Companies make products more than they are worth to gain profit?

OH MY GOODNESS! My mind is blown.

Ahh, and now, after pages of the same Apple sack-riding fanatics fighting to the death against the notion that Apple charges a massive price mark-up for their devices in comparison to their competitors, now we get the classic "Ha! We knew that all along! We were just arguing because... uhhh... because you're dumb!"

The fact that it would come from a guy who admitted he paid $200 dollars for some extra storage place makes this especially ironic, lol

 

[Sobriquet]

why are these two posts exactly the same except for the memory capacity?
it honestly creeps me the fuck out.

It was on purpose

 

[Zizbuka]

People still think the verge is an apple fanboy site? lol.

Any unbiased tech site should never make comments like; just get xxxxxxx, it's perfect.

 

[Red]

Tek, I hope one day you find what you are looking for.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Ah, now I see where your hang-up is.

We're in a thread about the iPhone 6. Specifically about the iPhone 6 being a perfect device, without any flaws in its execution or sale.

Dozens of people are in here attempting to point out those flaws. Some are pointing out the buggy iOS8, some are pointing out the low resolution screen, others are pointing out the limited RAM that impacts user experience, while others are pointing out the lack of expandable memory or replaceable batteries. Some of us are simply arguing that the massive mark-ups, asking consumers to pay hundreds of dollars more than what competitors are selling for the same (or better, in many cases) technology, is in itself a flaw.

You're confused, though. Because you think this is a conversation about whether Apple should legally be allowed to sell their phones or whether consumers should legally be allowed to buy them.

I'm sorry you're confused.

Yet despite all those extra things those companies include like removable batteries and mSD storage and crazy-HD screens, people don't care. They aren't selling points. If they were, they'd be rolling in cash.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Then explain to us how Apple is making over 75% of the profits in the smartphone market while selling only 15% of the units?



You too.

If you're trying to claim Apple consumers aren't massively overpaying for Apple phones, then explain the massive discrepancy between unit share and profit share.

Or is your argument that Apple consumers know they're massively overpaying? Because that does not seem to be the case.

Somebody actually explained this earlier and you ignored them. Just like when you ignored my comments about the realities of porting Unity games.

Market share does not directly correlate with profit share. It never has and it never will. As an extreme example, I could make a company that sold really good cars for a dollar. I would crush it on marketshare but that doesn't say anything about profit share.

Apple has been laser focused on the most profitable part of the smartphone market since the day that they revolutionized it. It is not surprising that their profit share would out strip thier marketshare.