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The guy has gone way over the top, but to say the media doesn't unwittingly misinform about the current state of Nintendo isn't a wild accusation.

Some of it is Nintendos fault. Remember the spec sheet debacle before Gamecube launched? I've never seen a bigger mess than all those mainstream news articles pitting MS/Sonys theoretical numbers against Nintendos conservative numbers. Talk about killing your own hype.

More common than anything like that though, is the doom and gloom stories. They forget that GCs tie is at about 8+ or something now, and I wager a fuckload of that software is Nintendos own. If Nintendo relied on third parties more, their 2+ million userbase defecit to Microsoft and poorer third party support would perhaps make things as bad as they say... but why is it everybody forgets Nintendo is up there with EA in the software publisher stakes, even though they're exclusive to their own hardware?

Further -- Nobody ever recognises in mainstream reports that Nintendo have been the only hardware manufacturer this generation that consistently posted huge profits year on year when compared with other gaming depts of competing companies (Microsoft H&E, SCE). Hopefully nobody doubted that the Microsoft and Sony ventures would make money in the end, or that those companies could cope with it... but its something when Nintendo has never had to worry about haemoragging resources, and at worst case, posting fluctuating amounts of profit.

Theres some sort of double standard where periods of non-profit (aka loss) is okay if you're Sony and Microsoft. The perspective then is that its an investment. Bottom line concious Nintendo is treated differently... a 21% drop in profit (which is still profit) becomes a huge story on Gamespot, or sensationally worded by Reuters at the source. Not all sites managed to put it in context and mention the fluctuating capital they have the yen to thank for. Nor do any of them take into consideration that recently Nintendo has been selling three different platforms, all successful enough (not necessarily 'successful' in relative terms) to make money. They've launched a new version of GBA, a totally new handheld (DS) console, an online network, and they've been deep in revolution R&D. Instead they merely take stock of Nintendos dominance in the handheld field and that its got the first real competition ever. Omitting detail makes it read better I guess. I suppose they expected profits to go up?

They're not Microsoft, they're not Sony... and now they're not even trying to be like them either. But they're certainly not doomed. That was probably the motive for the story... unfortunately (like many Nintendo fans can) its over-egged things, and riled the usual Nintendo detractors, and fans of the other systems to boot. I wonder if he really thought such an article would have any effect?
 
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllll no.

Nintendo has the chance to redeem themselves after the abysmal Game Cube with Revolution but Nintendo will not be on top in any market with Revolution.

The best Revolution can do is crush the Xbox 360. The only way they can do that is with an OMGFUCKAWESOME lineup for the first year and a half with several strong titles afterwards. No more Luigi Mansions, Mario Sunshines, half assed 1080s, or half assed WaveRaces.
 
soundwave05 said:
I think some (note I said some, not all) Nintendo fans are more obsessed with Nintendo regaining "old glory" than Nintendo is.

Honestly I think Nintendo couldn't give a shit about PS3 or XBox 360 or being the no.1 company. If Revolution sells more along N64-levels for Nintendo (30+ million) and creates some cash cow "genre expanding" new franchises like what Brain Training and Nintendogs have done for DS ... Nintendo will be very, very happy.

I'm a Nintendo fan and I'll say it right now -- Nintendo is not going to be no.1. They're probably not going to be no.2 even. But I think they can grow and establish a new style of gaming, which will restore a lot of the brand luster they lost with GameCube.


QFA.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
The guy has gone way over the top, but to say the media doesn't unwittingly misinform about the current state of Nintendo isn't a wild accusation.

Some of it is Nintendos fault. Remember the spec sheet debacle before Gamecube launched? I've never seen a bigger mess than all those mainstream news articles pitting MS/Sonys theoretical numbers against Nintendos conservative numbers. Talk about killing your own hype.

More common than anything like that though, is the doom and gloom stories. They forget that GCs tie is at about 8+ or something now, and I wager a fuckload of that software is Nintendos own. If Nintendo relied on third parties more, their 2+ million userbase defecit to Microsoft and poorer third party support would perhaps make things as bad as they say... but why is it everybody forgets Nintendo is up there with EA in the software publisher stakes, even though they're exclusive to their own hardware?

Further -- Nobody ever recognises in mainstream reports that Nintendo have been the only hardware manufacturer this generation that consistently posted huge profits year on year when compared with other gaming depts of competing companies (Microsoft H&E, SCE). Hopefully nobody doubted that the Microsoft and Sony ventures would make money in the end, or that those companies could cope with it... but its something when Nintendo has never had to worry about haemoragging resources, and at worst case, posting fluctuating amounts of profit.

Theres some sort of double standard where periods of non-profit (aka loss) is okay if you're Sony and Microsoft. The perspective then is that its an investment. Bottom line concious Nintendo is treated differently... a 21% drop in profit (which is still profit) becomes a huge story on Gamespot, or sensationally worded by Reuters at the source. Not all sites managed to put it in context and mention the fluctuating capital they have the yen to thank for. Nor do any of them take into consideration that recently Nintendo has been selling three different platforms, all successful enough (not necessarily 'successful' in relative terms) to make money. They've launched a new version of GBA, a totally new handheld (DS) console, an online network, and they've been deep in revolution R&D. Instead they merely take stock of Nintendos dominance in the handheld field and that its got the first real competition ever. Omitting detail makes it read better I guess. I suppose they expected profits to go up?

They're not Microsoft, they're not Sony... and now they're not even trying to be like them either. But they're certainly not doomed. That was probably the motive for the story... unfortunately (like many Nintendo fans can) its over-egged things, and riled the usual Nintendo detractors, and fans of the other systems to boot. I wonder if he really thought such an article would have any effect?
you sir, are the man.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
The guy has gone way over the top, but to say the media doesn't unwittingly misinform about the current state of Nintendo isn't a wild accusation.

Some of it is Nintendos fault. Remember the spec sheet debacle before Gamecube launched? I've never seen a bigger mess than all those mainstream news articles pitting MS/Sonys theoretical numbers against Nintendos conservative numbers. Talk about killing your own hype.

More common than anything like that though, is the doom and gloom stories. They forget that GCs tie is at about 8+ or something now, and I wager a fuckload of that software is Nintendos own. If Nintendo relied on third parties more, their 2+ million userbase defecit to Microsoft and poorer third party support would perhaps make things as bad as they say... but why is it everybody forgets Nintendo is up there with EA in the software publisher stakes, even though they're exclusive to their own hardware?

Further -- Nobody ever recognises in mainstream reports that Nintendo have been the only hardware manufacturer this generation that consistently posted huge profits year on year when compared with other gaming depts of competing companies (Microsoft H&E, SCE). Hopefully nobody doubted that the Microsoft and Sony ventures would make money in the end, or that those companies could cope with it... but its something when Nintendo has never had to worry about haemoragging resources, and at worst case, posting fluctuating amounts of profit.

Theres some sort of double standard where periods of non-profit (aka loss) is okay if you're Sony and Microsoft. The perspective then is that its an investment. Bottom line concious Nintendo is treated differently... a 21% drop in profit (which is still profit) becomes a huge story on Gamespot, or sensationally worded by Reuters at the source. Not all sites managed to put it in context and mention the fluctuating capital they have the yen to thank for. Nor do any of them take into consideration that recently Nintendo has been selling three different platforms, all successful enough (not necessarily 'successful' in relative terms) to make money. They've launched a new version of GBA, a totally new handheld (DS) console, an online network, and they've been deep in revolution R&D. Instead they merely take stock of Nintendos dominance in the handheld field and that its got the first real competition ever. Omitting detail makes it read better I guess. I suppose they expected profits to go up?

They're not Microsoft, they're not Sony... and now they're not even trying to be like them either. But they're certainly not doomed. That was probably the motive for the story... unfortunately (like many Nintendo fans can) its over-egged things, and riled the usual Nintendo detractors, and fans of the other systems to boot. I wonder if he really thought such an article would have any effect?

Great post. Cancels out the article. You have brought balance to the force, young Jedi.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
The guy has gone way over the top, but to say the media doesn't unwittingly misinform about the current state of Nintendo isn't a wild accusation.

Some of it is Nintendos fault. Remember the spec sheet debacle before Gamecube launched? I've never seen a bigger mess than all those mainstream news articles pitting MS/Sonys theoretical numbers against Nintendos conservative numbers. Talk about killing your own hype.

More common than anything like that though, is the doom and gloom stories. They forget that GCs tie is at about 8+ or something now, and I wager a fuckload of that software is Nintendos own. If Nintendo relied on third parties more, their 2+ million userbase defecit to Microsoft and poorer third party support would perhaps make things as bad as they say... but why is it everybody forgets Nintendo is up there with EA in the software publisher stakes, even though they're exclusive to their own hardware?

Further -- Nobody ever recognises in mainstream reports that Nintendo have been the only hardware manufacturer this generation that consistently posted huge profits year on year when compared with other gaming depts of competing companies (Microsoft H&E, SCE). Hopefully nobody doubted that the Microsoft and Sony ventures would make money in the end, or that those companies could cope with it... but its something when Nintendo has never had to worry about haemoragging resources, and at worst case, posting fluctuating amounts of profit.

Theres some sort of double standard where periods of non-profit (aka loss) is okay if you're Sony and Microsoft. The perspective then is that its an investment. Bottom line concious Nintendo is treated differently... a 21% drop in profit (which is still profit) becomes a huge story on Gamespot, or sensationally worded by Reuters at the source. Not all sites managed to put it in context and mention the fluctuating capital they have the yen to thank for. Nor do any of them take into consideration that recently Nintendo has been selling three different platforms, all successful enough (not necessarily 'successful' in relative terms) to make money. They've launched a new version of GBA, a totally new handheld (DS) console, an online network, and they've been deep in revolution R&D. Instead they merely take stock of Nintendos dominance in the handheld field and that its got the first real competition ever. Omitting detail makes it read better I guess. I suppose they expected profits to go up?

They're not Microsoft, they're not Sony... and now they're not even trying to be like them either. But they're certainly not doomed. That was probably the motive for the story... unfortunately (like many Nintendo fans can) its over-egged things, and riled the usual Nintendo detractors, and fans of the other systems to boot. I wonder if he really thought such an article would have any effect?


Nicely said. Re: Profits-- I saw some running totals once, and it looked like Nintendo and Sony come out about the same when the highs and lows over the years are aggregated. MS, OTOH, loses money.

However....

There's yet another component which underlies all of this, including the motivation for such "Nintendo will be King" type articles as well. That is: despite being profitable, will Nintendo continue to bring a satisfying game experience? To take it to a ridiculous extreme for the sake of illustration, if Nintendo reminaed profitable by only re-releasing old games as downloadable, having no third parties at all, and licensing Pokemon properties, that would represent some sort of failure, true? Profitability isn't what makes a game compnay good to the gamers. I think a lot of fans (or ex-fans) are frustrated that Nintendo systems don't sell as well as they used to, don't get the lion's share of third parties, or simply don't deliever the gaming experience that they used to (plenty of perception in that last one, very subjective). The primary risk Nintendo is taking next-generation is to buck the trend of powerhouse systems and go for simple-but-different. That's likely to polarize people on the fence about Nintendo as being for and against. Now, (the hardcore aside), people can look at Nintendo as merely one of a few choices available with not a lot of huge differentiation in choices. Next gen, making that choice will be a bigger deal, becuase the system will be significantly different. Nintendo's gamble is that any lost customers will be made up for by those wooed by the simplicity or low cost.

At first I thought it was a stupid move, but now it seems more like a ballsy one. If game development on the top end systems continues to get more and more expensive, and people actually react positively to Revolution (that second one being a big, big "if") then Nintendo is extremely-well positioned to benefit. Will the gamers me more moved by the unique controller (and lower cost) than by stunning visuals? Well, we'll have to see the software.

I personally am uninspired by graphics most of the time these days(+), although Nintendo's style of gaming *also* doesn't really excite me(-). So I am of mixed opinion. But if the third parties pick up on it, it coudl be a beautiful thing.

The next generation confuses me. The only thing I know for certain is that I am not buying an Xbox 360 at launch. :)
 
Ponn01 said:
Because he's falling back on the classic Nintendo Fan defense of bringing up Nintendo Handheld sales. He's taken it a step further though by combining those numbers with Gamecube sales and using those comparisons in his graphs. He's also calling out all other media as somehow being biased or with agendas and he is without and then turns around and only uses numbers that further his own skewed agenda besides the aforementioned using handheld sales in comparison to consoles. Apples and oranges here. If you can't see the problem with this, then, well nothing more really needs to be said.

Thank you. Someone needs to learn how to think critically by themself, without letting some fanboy impress you with bs he pulled out his ass. There is so much deception in that article it's not worth reading. If you think Nintendo is "still" number 1, you're crazy.

I love Nintendo, but I'd be a fool not to realize they came in last place this generation as well as the last, and if I had to bet I'd say they'll come in last next gen too. They'll make their money though, which is what they're really interested in anyway.
 
The Experiment said:
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllll no.

Nintendo has the chance to redeem themselves after the abysmal Game Cube with Revolution but Nintendo will not be on top in any market with Revolution.
I believe Gamecube's lackluster sells were the direct result of their short commings with the n64. But hey, thats just me.

I do think there is a slight possibility Nintendo can come out on top next generation, but it is still very unlikely. In order for this to happen, a) Sony would need a collossal fuck up and b)Nintendo would have to continue to shock us all with their success when it comes to untraditional games as in Nintendogs.

The only way Nintendo can possibly pull thru now is with innovation. It wont be the standard genres that will sell Revolutions, it will be all the shit u can only find on the console.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Thank you. Someone needs to learn how to think critically by themself, without letting some fanboy impress you with bs he pulled out his ass. There is so much deception in that article it's not worth reading. If you think Nintendo is "still" number 1, you're crazy.

I love Nintendo, but I'd be a fool not to realize they came in last place this generation as well as the last, and if I had to bet I'd say they'll come in last next gen too. They'll make their money though, which is what they're really interested in anyway.


Nintendo, like any company is here to make cash and as far as that is concerned they poopied on the competition. I don't see how we can even attempt to deny that. Sure, the GC is not the most stellar system they've ever sold, but they've more then made up for that disappointment in other areas, no?
 
Leatherface said:
Nintendo, like any company is here to make cash and as far as that is concerned they poopied on the competition. I don't see how we can even attempt to deny that. Sure, the GC is not the most stellar system they've ever sold, but they've more then made up for that disappointment in other areas, no?


See my post. Good for companies != good for gamers. Also, Nintendo and Sony both have made huge profits over the last gen, not just Nintendo.
 
Ponn01 said:
Their are fanboys on all sides, I don't think anyone would try to argue that. The point Andy seems to be trying to make, and I agree with, is Nintendo fans just always seem to be the most obnoxious and zealot of the bunch. Just check the Nintendo forums for evidence.

- Nintendo "People are bored with gaming, we are creating a Revolution"
- Nfans suddenly out of nowhere "I'm finding myself bored with gaming and i'm wanting a Revolution" - Fan only owns a N64, Gamecube, GBA and DS, this is exact description of one of my friends and i'm positive matches more then a few posters here.

- Nintendo "We feel people don't want HD"
- Nfans "We don't care about HD, i'm not buying a HD set for years, in fact I hate HD, I don't want a better picture and i'm gimping myself"


I'd still say it's just a matter of visibility. Nintendo's (stupid) fans are reflecting Nintendo's own stupidity (also known as cheapness and shortsightedness). Sony and Microsoft just don't have as visible examples of it to reflect. But it's still there. Just look at people arguing over PS3 vs. X360 techs when they clearly know nothing about them. Or Sony fans claiming PS3 CG demos are realtime, despite being wrong about it last gen. Or the fans of any company insisting that all their exclusive games are great, and all the competition's are shit. They're all symptoms of people idiotically defending their choice of purchase.
 
olimario said:
HOLY SHIT!
The guy who wrote that article is the same guy who got me into E3 2003.
He's also the guy who tried to convince me Nintendo was winning the console war because GBA sales were so high. I tried to explain that handhelds and home consoles aren't counted together, but he starting yelling and whining.

And, HOLY SHIT, it was you who made the thread for this exact article nearly half a year ago. And the same thread was filled with more people calling this article out for the trash it is.

But for GAF historic sake, visit that hilarious thread here.
 
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