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[Gamer79]

Again how would having a physical copy give you any advantage over digital in that situation?

Use your fucking brain man. IN some instances, If they take the game off the server, it's no longer available to play at all. If I had the physical disk in some instances, It does not matter what they choose to do. As long as I have working hardware, I can play it. In multiplayer cases it does not matter.

 

[Gamer79]

It's nice that you have a physical coaster, but when happens when your console breaks down in the future and is probably beyond repair? I think that is the bigger question.

I will just get one on ebay or some other site. For example, You can still find working VCR's and working Laserdisk players, hell working betamax players on the web if you look. If I have the game, I own it. If the company host the game and cuts off access, regardless there is nothing I can do.

 

[TGO]

Use your fucking brain man. IN some instances, If they take the game off the server, it's no longer available to play at all. If I had the physical disk in some instances, It does not matter what they choose to do. As long as I have working hardware, I can play it. In multiplayer cases it does not matter.

Not always true, some fans do bring games back online
Warhawk for example.

 

[Ziglax]

It's never too late, but you're like 15 years late, OP.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Not always true, some fans do bring games back online
Warhawk for example.

Yeah. Dragon's Dogma Online and Monster Hunter Frontier too. It's amazing what people can do for the games they love.

Use your fucking brain man. IN some instances, If they take the game off the server, it's no longer available to play at all. If I had the physical disk in some instances, It does not matter what they choose to do. As long as I have working hardware, I can play it. In multiplayer cases it does not matter.

Sorry but that isn't the case. You can own as much DVDs as you like but, if the game depends on a server connection and the server dies, then you are left out with no game at all.

It's the reason why movements like Stop Killing Games are a thing:

Stop Killing Games

www.stopkillinggames.com

 

[ReyBrujo]

It's never too late, but you're like 15 years late, OP.

And there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[MandingoMcThickens]

Curious what the rest of you think.

I think it's much ado about nothing, a complete non-issue and your day would be better served enjoying things you like instead of worrying about what-ifs.

 

[ReyBrujo]

If I have the game, I own it.

For all intents and purposes you got the physical copy. But end user agreements are written in such a way that they make it clear that games are licensed, their property is not transferred, and that they are free to revoke the license anytime. This is the current Nintendo agreement, it's literally point 1.1 and 1.2.

Can they enforce that? There are ways, they can blacklist the game card key in the server and as soon as your Switch connects to their servers (even if you aren't playing the game right now) the console can inform that you played the game and your console is banned. So yes, you own it but can only play it in a banned console or a stock console that will never be able to connect to internet again. Realistically? No, they won't know which game card id to ban unless you are stupid enough to redistribute it with the key. But they mention that possibility in case they find a way to do that. They leave open that loophole, and sometimes all you need is one.

 

[Pimpollo818]

I joke with my wife: - if our house goes up in flames and I can only take 3 things, they'd be: wife, dogs, and my external hard drive (music library, family photos, films/tv)

Vinyl, not vinyl(s)

thanks, never really thought about the plural. gave it a good and found this interesting article: https://www.goldrushvinyl.com/blog/vinyl-or-vinyls

In this long standing debate, almost every linguist agrees that the strict preference for vinyl being accepted over vinyls comes from within the record collecting community itself. More specifically, it comes from the reemerged vinyl scene. We have to remember that vinyl was close to dying out before it was recently revived. Back in the 1950s, there are written examples referring to multiple records as vinyls, further proving that "the plural of vinyl is vinyl" movement is directly tied to our modern community. Language is complicated and for the most part, words are subject to the modifications of the communities that use them.

Overall, many grammar specialists land on vinyl being a mass noun like beer or cheese. This means that it would not have a plural. As in you'd ask for a "case of beer" or "some cheese." Therefore, saying "vinyls" seems wrong when applying this rule. However, in an article by another linguist, Arnold Zwicky, we can see that most mass nouns are subject to "countification," meaning mass nouns may have a plural form when referring to more than one type of the named category. For example, you could ask for an "assortment of French cheeses" when referring to a plate with many types of cheese. So, assuming not every single vinyl record in your collection is the same album, one could justify saying vinyls if they went by this rule.

 

[rofif]

I joke with my wife: - if our house goes up in flames and I can only take 3 things, they'd be: wife, dogs, and my external hard drive (music library, family photos, films/tv)

thanks, never really thought about the plural. gave it a good and found this interesting article: https://www.goldrushvinyl.com/blog/vinyl-or-vinyls

In this long standing debate, almost every linguist agrees that the strict preference for vinyl being accepted over vinyls comes from within the record collecting community itself. More specifically, it comes from the reemerged vinyl scene. We have to remember that vinyl was close to dying out before it was recently revived. Back in the 1950s, there are written examples referring to multiple records as vinyls, further proving that "the plural of vinyl is vinyl" movement is directly tied to our modern community. Language is complicated and for the most part, words are subject to the modifications of the communities that use them.

Overall, many grammar specialists land on vinyl being a mass noun like beer or cheese. This means that it would not have a plural. As in you'd ask for a "case of beer" or "some cheese." Therefore, saying "vinyls" seems wrong when applying this rule. However, in an article by another linguist, Arnold Zwicky, we can see that most mass nouns are subject to "countification," meaning mass nouns may have a plural form when referring to more than one type of the named category. For example, you could ask for an "assortment of French cheeses" when referring to a plate with many types of cheese. So, assuming not every single vinyl record in your collection is the same album, one could justify saying vinyls if they went by this rule.

I don't think planning your life around potential war or fire is a valid consideration....
yeah you would loose all your games but whatever... you would rebuy everything pretty cheap probably.. and honestly, you would only rebuy games you wanted.
Also - Digital can be hacked but it's rather rare.

btw, I also keep external hdd with all my photos and stuff on it. I backup my pc every few months.
That's for sure a quick grab if there is a fire.
I don't have a copy of my documents... need to think about that

 

[Laptop1991]

Unless all the data is on the physical disc, that won't make a difference either, and they already have screwed gamers over with this greed and control, only GOG's way of letting you download the whole files and backing up from your HDD seems to be the way round it, but if enough gamers stop giving them money they will surely reverse it as it's only profit they care about now anyway.

 

[Punished Miku]

I joke with my wife: - if our house goes up in flames and I can only take 3 things, they'd be: wife, dogs, and my external hard drive (music library, family photos, films/tv)

If my house goes up in flames I just need a new system, and then log-in. Kind of unlikely, but a nice side benefit.

 

[Gamer79]

For all intents and purposes you got the physical copy. But end user agreements are written in such a way that they make it clear that games are licensed, their property is not transferred, and that they are free to revoke the license anytime. This is the current Nintendo agreement, it's literally point 1.1 and 1.2.

Can they enforce that? There are ways, they can blacklist the game card key in the server and as soon as your Switch connects to their servers (even if you aren't playing the game right now) the console can inform that you played the game and your console is banned. So yes, you own it but can only play it in a banned console or a stock console that will never be able to connect to internet again. Realistically? No, they won't know which game card id to ban unless you are stupid enough to redistribute it with the key. But they mention that possibility in case they find a way to do that. They leave open that loophole, and sometimes all you need is one.

I dont' give a fuck about their legal agreement. All I care about is I can continue to use the device. The only way they can stop me is to make an update bricking certain software but I can just refuse to update. The idea is I took control away from them regardless of the user jargin, I can continue to use the game.

The fact is in the digital situation, they tell you how long you can use it and they have control on when it's available or if they decide to pull it. Again with my Switch games as long as I own them and have working hardware, they work.

 

[Gamer79]

Yeah. Dragon's Dogma Online and Monster Hunter Frontier too. It's amazing what people can do for the games they love.


Sorry but that isn't the case. You can own as much DVDs as you like but, if the game depends on a server connection and the server dies, then you are left out with no game at all.

It's the reason why movements like Stop Killing Games are a thing:

Stop Killing Games

www.stopkillinggames.com

Read my original post in the thread, I did not count those. Those are just as useless as as a digital copy if a publisher pulls the plug.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I dont' give a fuck about their legal agreement. All I care about is I can continue to use the device. The only way they can stop me is to make an update bricking certain software but I can just refuse to update. The idea is I took control away from them regardless of the user jargin, I can continue to use the game.

The fact is in the digital situation, they tell you how long you can use it and they have control on when it's available or if they decide to pull it. Again with my Switch games as long as I own them and have working hardware, they work.

You can still own digital games on your terms if the game is DRM free and you have a local installation of it.

 

[yogaflame]

I'm for physical copy 100%. I don't like the trend that it is becoming more digital this days. But as long as physical copy is available, I will prefer physical copy. I want a collection of games on my shelves and something I can touch and appreciate and be proud of, just like books, comics, action figures, scale models, and toys which I also have right now.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

The real issue is cost in an environment of a monopoly. Take away physical games and multiple markets from the people, then you can charge whatever you want and never, ever reduce the cost. Also with digital, they can control when you can play, where you can play, and they take away your ability to resell it, trade it, lend it etc.

They can even take away your ability to buy it, and simply lend it to you through a subscription service, with ever-increasing prices.

 

[Fbh]

Eh, I mostly just wait for games to drop to a price I'm ok paying for a limited digital license. Though I do try to buy stuff on GOG when it's available as no DRM usually gives them an added value for no extra cost.

I'm fine paying $40 for a game that will entertain me for dozens of hours and that I'll most likely be able to access for years to come. If 20 years from now some or even all my digital Ps5 games become unavailable to me I guess that would suck, but it's not the end of the world. Hell all my digital Ps3 games are still available to me, but to be honest if I want to replay one I'm more likely to buy the modern port/remaster (if available) than hooking up my Ps3 to play them at 720p 25fps.

I do hope physical media sticks around though. Even if discs go away it would be nice to have some sort of physical DRM that's cheap to produce like those new Switch 2 cartridges. Even if they don't have the game on them, as long as they let you download and play it they'll retain many of the advantages of physical media like being able to lend/borrow them, resell them, buy them used and be able to take advantage of different vendor sales and promotions (like amazon, best buy, etc)

 

[rm082e]

Physical media is almost dead, just like shopping malls.

The times are changing. And you know whose fault that is? The consumer. It was the consumer that wanted the convenience of digital media right away and this is the future.

The consumer is always, right? Isn't that the motto? The consumer chose this future. Fact.

I went full digital and sold all my physical games back in 2012. I couldn't wait to get rid of them.

I'm not sorry. All digital is great.

 

[EverydayBeast]

PSP go changed the gaming scene in 2009, you'll see it's a digital only version of the PSP. There's Xbox series s, now you need larger memory cards, you see entire libraries on a screen, you can fit 10,000 games on a 25tb hard drive.

 

[MandingoMcThickens]

I went full digital and sold all my physical games back in 2012. I couldn't wait to get rid of them.

I'm not sorry. All digital is great.

Similar here, I went fully digital on PS4 launch date and never looked back. Shoulda done it sooner.

 

[ClanOfNone]

Last physical game I bought was Phantom Limb for ps4, optical drive crapped out like a day later.
I've been all digital ever since, it's much more my speed. I'm not a fan of clutter/collections and don't have the room for it anyways.

 

[Azure Crystal Gaming]

Sadly, with the rising game costs and lack of apartment space, this current gen will be the last I go physical, except in rare occasions.

 

[AngelMuffin]

"That's the cold truth: when you buy a digital game, you don't really own it. You're just renting access via a key tied to a company's service. And when they pull the plug, that's it."

It's the same with physical games as well. You bought a license in the form of a disk. The only difference is, you can choose to resell it (which I do quite frequently). The servers shutting down, having to do an online check-in, etc apply to physical games as well, not just digital.

 

[ArtHands]

is this thread a desperate pled for people to support physical?

If you're so scare, buy on Steam then.