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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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Linkstrikesback
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CyclopsRock
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Yeah but Northern Europe is basically the richest set of countries in the world. He didn't say "northern Europe".
Only getting poorer without the EU. Talk about hitting yourself
Well that image compares it to some of the best places in the EU, I mean France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden are hardly what I had in mind, especially when I would consider Sweden as being better than what UK is right now, let alone after they leave the EU.
I was more highlighting it is going to effect far more people far worse then many think. Even though Northern Europe is richer then then rest of Europe we have 9 regions that are in the poorest 100 regions in Europe.
Sure I'm not saying it's not going to affect people, it's going to affect plenty of people, even in London, because London is going to be penetrated hard and fast with not even spit to ease it in, but if I had to bet, I would bet on the UK in general still going to end up better than some countries currently living in the EU right now.
I wouldn't. I know and have seen plenty of people living of two meals a week already. It is only going to affect them even more. Austerity has fucked this country up enough without leaving the EU as well. I can see us having a sharp rise in people starving to death, which should never be happening.
Eurgh, someone please tell me this is a hoax
BrokenIcarus
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Fuck me, what a disgusting piece of shit! You need a general election ASAP.
Frankfurter
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It's mindboggling that there is not a Single east German region among the worst ten. Whatever the UK tried to achieve in its worst regions must have failed completely.
Do you have links for the articles mentioned in that quote? To clarify not saying it isn't true, but if you have them, I would like to see it, because that is really quite vile.
Sure, and those people will definitely suffer, plenty of poor people will suffer, they are usually the ones that suffer the most with those kinds of things, but poverty is unfortunately a condition that exists in plenty of other places, and you just can't compare the position of the UK, with the likes of Greece, or hell even with my own country Portugal, which are countries with a far far worse economy, and will almost assuredly continue to have one after the UK leaves the EU, and while a country economy doesn't necessarily relate to the quality of life of the people living there, it is not a meaningless indicator.
FlammableD
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I had a story told to me about a woman seeking asylum here who was all set to be sent back to her country, who got a stay just as they were about to put her on the plane back as the people who would be taking her back would have had to hang around for a few hours, and couldn't have their safety guaranteed.
Linkstrikesback
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I'd say it probably worked exactly as the politicians planned, actually.
I don't think leaving the EU on a protest vote was part of the plan.
Stereogatari
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How come she can't br impeached?
Its not an article, its the personal account of a case file worked by a friend of a friend who happens to be an immigration lawyer.
If you knew of Theresa May's beliefs and policies even as head of Home Office, this is not especially hard to believe.
ClosingADoor
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How do they make this map? Groningen in the top makes zero sense. It's one of the poorer regions here in Holland actually.
Plenty of Polish shops around here, very useful for getting lots of Pierogi and cheap beer. They've probably done more for the local economy than the Government has.
I don't really have an hard time believing, just wanted more information especially because of this "Predictably, the tabloid press lapped it up.", I assumed there was potentially some links to some articles or something with her saying that, but I completely understand why you wouldn't have those, considering it was just an email sent to you.
There are very few things that shock me after all I've gone through in my life. That was one of them. At risk of what other horror stories this could throw up, did the lawyer friend give any hint as to how common stories such as this are, albeit with different circumstances for the visa holder in question?
Austrian far-right politician and potential President changed his mind and is against Austria leaving the EU all of a sudden. He's trying to downplay his 180 but the reasons are obvious.
http://m.diepresse.com/home/politik/innenpolitik/5046096/index.do?xtor=CS1-15
http://m.diepresse.com/home/politik/innenpolitik/5046096/index.do?xtor=CS1-15
ReplacementPelican
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I think, in the wake of Brexit, forgetting that the poor were lied to and exploited by politicians who sought only to strengthen their careers - though they subsequently lost them because it actually happened - and now expect a higher standard of life is quite sad. Those people in these counties, towns, cities will once again have worse lives because of politics. First, because of the focus on London and being super nice to corporations and rich people and now because they voted to leave a union that had offered them protections and funded some of their areas.
These people still do, however, and may always defend this leave campaign. One does wonder if citizenship in schools for kids should be replaced by a class on politics. It's a shame that people are treated as though they cannot understand it until A-Levels as many don't ever reach that stage.
KarneeKarnay
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It has been mentioned before that this isn't really the young lot that voted leave. So just wait two years and all the old folk will be dead.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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The UK is helping to unite Europe. :|
I am sure the case file somewhere can be dug up, however I am certain there are confidentiality and non-disclosure hurdles. I do hope it all come to light but I wouldn't bet on it.
Fairly common, Under May's stewardship at the Home Office saw huge changes to immigration reforms in hopes of curbing the numbers as the Tories promised.
I was seeing a girl who worked as UK Border agency, she told me of a case a gay woman who was fearful of returning to a country where she would imprisoned, she was force to present video "evidence" of her lesbian lifestyle to the court (yes, that means exactly what it means). Another one of May's measures.
I have to say, one thing that I picked up from school from history lessons actually strikes me as something that really ought to be taught at a more generalised level - healthy practice when trying to determine valid information when studying sources, and encouraging appropriate criticism and introspection. William Butler Taco was the mnemonic our teacher attached to it;
William - ask the W-questions about the source. Why, when, what, who.
Butler - consider any signs of Bias.
Ta - Take and Analyse data from the source
co - Compare with other sources to form a complete picture of the issue.
While that was from history lessons and so heavily in the concept of using historical documents in order to understand events from the past, I think that general rule of thumb fits very well with the modern internet, and inserting this sort of teaching into PSE lessons (er, if PSE lessons still exist? I've no idea) would probably be a healthy direction to educate our young.
I don't mean to sound crass, but it's no bloody wonder. The UK hasn't even begun to leave the EU, nor have we even seen the start of all this and already people are sounding off alarm bells already, coupled with the Pound having been on a nosedive since the referendum results came in. The referendum was really the acid test for people to see if leaving the EU would be both a popular idea and a logical idea. While it may have popular opinion at times, the logistics of it have now sprung to light and, while for other countries leaving the EU it may be easier for them to deal with renegotiations than the UK will probably end up with, it's clear now that a lot, lot more trouble than people on the far right realised and they don't want to be seen as the people who tanked their country's economy.
Bananajama
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It has been mentioned before that this isn't really the young lot that voted leave. So just wait two years and all the old folk will be dead.
Wasn't it number crunched that 65% of those in the 18-24 range didn't bother to vote
vs only about 15-20% in the 65+
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/tory-party-refuses-to-shorten-leadership-contest
9 weeks of back-stabbing and competing rhetoric, jeez.
9 weeks of back-stabbing and competing rhetoric, jeez.
BrokenIcarus
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ReplacementPelican
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I remember something similar to that device as well although I'm not sure if PSE exists anymore either.
It really is just an education thing, the referendum was incredibly clear about that demographically. Something needs to be done to ensure that our population is informed correctly not just on the issues but on how bias works. I mean, I'm sure the Sun and Mail would hate this approach but that's probably a good thing.
True but by my estimation the old who voted to leave were lied to. They were told that their areas were poor and underfunded not because six years of a Tory government but because of other poor people from inside Europe. They were told that their changing towns and cities were not merely changed by immigration but by expansion of their cities. That the reason they didn't feel like everyone knew each other and were friends was not because suddenly there's lots of brown people or other white people with a different language was nothing to do with those groups. They were lied to and will probably never realise it. They've been manipulated into racism.It has been mentioned before that this isn't really the young lot that voted leave. So just wait two years and all the old folk will be dead.
That's a fairly popular phrase in the German speaking parts of Europe. Bit odd to use it here though.
More Fun To Compute
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I'm mystified that you would think that the London parliament would actually do anything to stimulate growth in the regions. All they do is argue all day about expansions to London airports.
And talking about god.
Huw_Dawson
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I heard 50% of those in the 18-24 bracket didn't vote.
Plus 16 and 17 year olds being barred from voting altogether.
One of the many reasons why I want a general election asap is to give young people another chance to speak their mind on the issue of Brexit.
Plus 16 and 17 year olds being barred from voting altogether.
One of the many reasons why I want a general election asap is to give young people another chance to speak their mind on the issue of Brexit.
BrokenIcarus
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Yeah, I know, I'm from Germany, but it's sooooo informal, that it's just weird to me.
Tough shit. They had their chance.
CyclopsRock
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Triggering Article 50 is arguably the thing they have the largest mandate for.
Huw_Dawson
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People should be getting out and voting. Getting young people out and voting is especially important.
Bananajama
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I've heard a number in the lower age range say
"We didn't know there was a referendum"
However if bunch of pensioners without smartphones and the internet can manage to realise there's a referendum, register, get to the polling station and vote then I just call utter bullshizzle on there excuses.
Harsh - but they had there chance
"We didn't know there was a referendum"
However if bunch of pensioners without smartphones and the internet can manage to realise there's a referendum, register, get to the polling station and vote then I just call utter bullshizzle on there excuses.
Harsh - but they had there chance
As I've said before, the government hasn't done a good enough job trying to get younger people interested in politics. It's a failure of the education system.
SNP, although the reasons for doing it were more tactical, they did a much better job at trying to stimulate interest in politics when it came to the indyref.
SNP, although the reasons for doing it were more tactical, they did a much better job at trying to stimulate interest in politics when it came to the indyref.
When you have the UN saying the Austerity cuts are against human rights, you know things are bad in the UK.
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