It's amazing how many people seem to forget this fact.
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It's amazing how many people seem to forget this fact.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Yeah. They are pretty fucked either way at this point.
Does the new government get approved in the Parliament like in any normal parliamentary system?
Napoleonthechimp
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I haven't forgotten it at all. It's just that May's election (sorry, there wasn't one) to PM-ship has come in the wake of the "EU is so undemocratic" bullshit. But I bet they'll swallow this bitter pill down without saying a word.
Huw_Dawson
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Having one of her first acts as PM be to get her party to say they have no confidence in her deliberately to force a general election would be the capstone to this amazing farce that has been this post-Brexit interregnum.
We flat out don't know how this would work in practice. I said back in 2011 that the no-confidence route was possible, if a little undignified.
In all fairness, Brown is kinda forgettable. You know, like that one fat quiet kid in the front of the bus that everyone ignores.
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You don't even need to do that. All you have to do is repeal the FTPA, which requires the usual 50% +1, and the timing of elections goes back to being royal prerogative, allowing the Prime Minister to call snap elections.
The FTPA was only a thing so that the Coalition didn't fall apart. Cameron couldn't call a snap election because he couldn't repeal the FTPA because Conservative MPs were not a majority and so the Lib Dems could block a repeal. FTPA has *no power* over majority govts.
AHA-Lambda
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yeah, he got a lot of undeserved hate, and the economy was doing great under him
phisheep
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It could be more subtle that that. There's just enough time to force a no-confidence vote against Cameron's government before the Queen gets back from Scotland. And that would be less troublesome that whipping a vote against herself.
Keep a close eye on the Commons for the next two days.
Taking back control. Bleedin idiots
QuicheFontaine
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Don't talk about the PM's breasts you massive sexist
It's quite amazing how all the leading Brexiters have either resigned or pussied out of a leadership challenge. None of them wanted to enter the fallout zone and asorb a lethal dose of radiation from touching Article 50, it will be fascinating to see how this all turns out. Depressing, but fascinating.
Huw_Dawson
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Repealing the act would require a lot more work than just having one vote, though.
This is stretching my knowledge of parliament law quite a bit so this is the bit where I have a vote of no confidence and go read Wikipedia.
Everyone's reaction on Brexit/hearing the leadership candidates/imagining our right wing future
I see gifs of this everywhere. What show is it from?
From the Sharknado of wrestling, Hardy Vs Hardy The Final Deletion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG6y-5OYc_0
Elaugaufein
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By default. Anyone can call for a confidence motion and if failed the government is dissolved. It pretty much doesn't happen because minority governments don't usually scalp leaders mid-term unless it's a requirement of maintaining confidence.
Coriolanus
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Well, yes. That's the problem when incompetent motherfuckers organize a shitty coup armed only with blunt spoons.
I'm as unconvinced by Angela Eagle as the next person but it's a bit rude to call her a blunt spoon.
Farage: Resigned
Boris: Resigned? Gone into hiding.
Leadsom: Dropped out of leadership race for reasons.
Gove: lol
Stuart: I had to look her up just to get the full set. Here's a bit of old news I didn't hear about:
Lol
Anyone else worth mentioning?
People are calling this undemocratic but voting for a leader simply isn't how this system works. You don't vote for a PM or even a party, you vote for a man or woman to sit in parliament for you.
Even if they switch parties they are still your MP, so if you voted in a Green MP and they decided to switch to UKIP that would stand until the next election, unless they called a by-election.
Even if they switch parties they are still your MP, so if you voted in a Green MP and they decided to switch to UKIP that would stand until the next election, unless they called a by-election.
FlammableD
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https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/752461407556366336
Eagle asked why she can beat May, simply replies: "Because she's a Tory".
JFC
Eagle asked why she can beat May, simply replies: "Because she's a Tory".
JFC
The problem was they didn't want a coup. They did the usual thing and went for a vote of no confidence, and Corbyn lost by huge, vast margins. No-one in their right mind ever expects him to stay on after that - it wasn't even thought possible when they were drawing up the rules. The MPs wanted a proper, normal leadership contest.
The insanity of a leader staying on after losing a no confidence vote by that much has left them stuck. It's unthinkable - and the Tories know it, hence leadsom a statement.
Poor Ed.
Well, to be fair, it's quite unusual for there to be a no-confidence vote in a person who has support from 70% of the people who actually vote on the issue.
So it's not like a normal parliamentary democracy then. You get a new PM voted by no one.
But the MP that represents you doesn't vote for the new PM and government if I understand this correctly.
Coriolanus
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If you fail to analyze the terrain before heading for war, the failure remains with you.
His approach has always been that The People elected him. Why in blazes would they expect him to give a fuck about what the MP's thought?
We all know what would happen in a proper, normal leadership contest in which he was a candidate, fwiw.
..is there a secondary meaning to it that im unaware of?
It's a joke, they surely should have had a plan before this.
"Corbyn isn't fit to run, call a no confidence!"
"Who will go against him?"
Angela Eagle:
PJV3
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Isn't Eagle just being used to remove Corbyn and take the heat from the party? I assumed someone else would step up nearer to the election.
I doubt the PLP is even thinking about May at the moment.
It's a joke, they surely should have had a plan before this.
"Corbyn isn't fit to run, call a no confidence!"
"Who will go against him?"
Angela Eagle:
That's because they are cowards. Say what you like about eagle but at least she is putting herself out there. chuka and the rest of hide and see guys are just waiting for labour to lose and corbyn to crash before mounting a challenge
If they have a plausible alternative, why not put them forward now and actually try and convince Corbyn's supporters instead of trying to force him out on a technicality with a leader that nobody seems all that committed to?
Coriolanus
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I might have a whole lot of criticisms about how the attempt to oust corbyn was carried, but this is quite true. Eagle has more guts than anyone else against him.
Or less sense. Guess one could read it like that too.
No it isn't. Ian Duncan-smith in 2003 was in the same position - chosen by the members against the wishes of the Mps, eventually removed by the MPs after losing a vote of no confidence. At least he had the sense to realise he had to step down.
The job of the party leader is to lead the party in parliament. Really simple. If you cannot do that you need to step down as that is the damn job. The fact Corbyn refuses to acknowledge that core duty just demonstrates how unfit he is to be a party leader, never mind PM.
True, but now they're in a difficult position. If Corbyn is allowed to stand, then he'll beat her comfortably. If anyone else stands alongside them both, then they'll likely split their votes while Corbyn keeps most of his. They've fucked up at the first hurdle unless they can stop Corbyn from standing.
Stalking horse candidates are a common feature of party politics in the UK. It's how the Tories removed thatcher after all.
shinra-bansho
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Non-sequitur question. My understanding may be off, but under the recent Labour party rules, if a leadership contest is triggered while Labour is in government, does the Labour party membership* essentially decide the Head of Government? And consequentially the rest of Cabinet.
*Regarding this, one can seemingly register as a member at 14; do they get a vote in the leadership.
EDIT: why would they call for a snap election when they'll get decimated.
To be clear, this is the same Labour party that informally announced their refusal to be led by Corbyn before he was even elected to the position? I wonder why he's been so unsuccessful.
Good. If Brexit accomplishes one good thing it's the chance to maybe have England snap out of it's diet of populist morons, Murdoch media and blaming outsiders for the problems in our own country.
Won't take long for the economic damage to hit the budget and social services. That should be fun.
anonymous_abc
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ftfy
Never going to happen. Would love it to, but it won't. Europe makes for an easy target, and Murdoch controls way too much of the media in the country to let any sort of pushback occur. Nationalism and bigotry won't be vanquished that easily.
If you don't have support of your MPs you don't have support of your MPs. You can complain about it all you like but that's the reality of the situation.
Yes, although it is more democratic than the Tory system, which allows the MPs to pick the two options for the membership to vote on.
Anyone can sign up to the Labour party for a vote on the election and they can choose between all candidates.
I don't know.
Because nobody in the Labour party has any idea what is going on.
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