I'm so sorry
It's ok. Doubt I will be able to get a job for ages now though.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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It's ok. Doubt I will be able to get a job for ages now though.
JonnyDBrit
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Remember guys: The EU was so undemocratic we had to leave.
More than one thing can be undemocratic at a time, you know.
nelsonroyale
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Pretty much.
Eh, my initial post was probably a bit of a snap reaction I think she will largely be in keeping with Cameron's agenda, although her stances on the snoopers charter are particulalry worrying. It will be interesting to see what she puts together
Peter Ian Staker
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..but..but I like gin and tonic
kinda
But seriously if every political movement,moderate or radical, has to morph themselves into the Tories to become "electable" then what's the point?
The Tories will always play on their turf and win anyway.
And_Gignac
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I really feel bad for Angela but nnnn I CACKLED
https://twitter.com/lilyallen/status/752479077228052481/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
UNELECTABLE after this blunder.
https://twitter.com/lilyallen/status/752479077228052481/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
UNELECTABLE after this blunder.
At last! Someone who speaks truth to power!
Haha, does this poor guy have any friends?
The key one, so far as I'm concerned, is the "was replaced as leader" one. Shows how little confidence they have in the party.
But the more that dents his cult of personality, the better.
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The craziest thing is that they all think he's shit, but 3/5 would vote for him over other candidates. That sums up the state of the Labour Party.
Can Crusher
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Her?
Theonik
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I was about to say haha
Unions hate him!
English father of three discovers weird trick to become politically divisive!
She looks like pop star Pink in 30 years time. But not in a good way.
That's it, no more EU immigration for any of you island crazies until we get y'all tested for mad cow disease. Or maybe it's something in the water.
Chittagong
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The UK votes to leave the EU |OUT3| Yo dawg, we heard you don't like unelected officials
shinra-bansho
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Pick your poison.Now that Article 50 will probably invoked sooner than later, here's a good overview of what options the UK has with the EU...and what's obviously not an option:
BibiMaghoo
Member
To be honest it looks like it will either be greatly delayed by the legal actions underway to prevent it, or put to parliament vote to annul said legal actions. Either way it won't be happening that soon.
I vote for "Turkey". Although, to be honest, from EU's perspective it's more of a Turducken.
Now that Article 50 will probably invoked sooner than later, here's a good overview of what options the UK has with the EU...and what's obviously not an option:
Why didn't the Remain campaign just plaster this on every billboard in the country...
Peter Ian Staker
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It wouldn't really work on the side of a bus though would it?
I don't think the Remain campaign(or in fact anyone) really thought the nitty-gritty of how a Brexit would actually work out. Everyone was too busy making shit up and hurling insults to actually think any of this through.
Everyone (including a lot of Leavers) where just way to confident that Remain would win.
Too many words, not enough pictures and lacks the image of long snaking train of migrants heading to UK borders. Oh and too many words.
She said next year and that was when she was relying on winning over Tory members, no way she does it sooner now. Plus, how vauge is "brexit means brexit"? You could backpedal out of that if needed.
I sense they are still talking about how to ease back from the brink.
Commander Jameson
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Now that Article 50 will probably invoked sooner than later, here's a good overview of what options the UK has with the EU...and what's obviously not an option:
There were a few issues with that about its neutrality because of the ticks and crosses, so I put together a new version. I've added my sources, so people can fact check. Happy to get feedback on any changes.
Sources:
REF SOURCE LINK
1 EU goods and services http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/accessing-markets/goods-and-services/
2 EU passporting directive https://www.eba.europa.eu/regulation-and-policy/passporting-and-supervision-of-branches
3 Free movement http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=457
4 EU Schengen agreement http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/index_en.htm
5 EU import requirements http://exporthelp.europa.eu/thdapp/..._Requirements.html&docType=main&languageId=en
6 EU legislation http://europa.eu/eu-law/index_en.htm
7 ECJ http://europa.eu/about-eu/institutions-bodies/court-justice/index_en.htm
8 Contributing to the EU http://ec.europa.eu/budget/mff/resources/index_en.cfm
9 EU spending per country http://ec.europa.eu/budget/figures/interactive/index_en.cfm
10 EU http://europa.eu/about-eu/index_en.htm
11 EEA features http://www.efta.int/eea/eea-agreement/eea-basic-features
12 EFTA http://www.efta.int/about-efta/european-free-trade-association
13 Canada CETA http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ceta/index_en.htm
14 EU Customs Union http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custom...ules_origin/customs_unions/article_414_en.htm
15 EU and WTO https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/countries_e/european_communities_e.htm
16 EEA/EFTA goods trade http://www.efta.int/media/publications/fact-sheets/EEA-factsheets/GoodsFactSheet.pdf
17 Swiss bilateral agreements https://www.eda.admin.ch/dea/en/home/bilaterale-abkommen/ueberblick.html
18 CETA tariff schedule http://www.international.gc.ca/trad...cc/ceta-aecg/text-texte/toc-tdm.aspx?lang=eng
19 Turkey Customs Union http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/turkey/
20 WTO tariff schedule https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/tariffs_e/tariff_data_e.htm
21 Passporting http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/pra/Pages/authorisations/passporting/default.aspx
22 Switzerland passporting https://www.the-fca.org.uk/firms/passporting
23 Article 112 EEA agreement http://www.efta.int/eea/policy-area...t/Main Text of the Agreement/EEAagreement.pdf
24 Swiss movement of people http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-14-100_en.htm
25 Schengen area http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/schengen-visa-countries-list/
26 EEA/EFTA policy areas http://www.efta.int/eea/policy-areas
27 Canada exporting to EU http://tradecommissioner.gc.ca/euro...cts-faits-sur-le-marche/0000256.aspx?lang=eng
28 EU import requirements http://exporthelp.europa.eu/thdapp/..._Requirements.html&docType=main&languageId=en
29 EFTA Court http://www.eftacourt.int/the-court/jurisdiction-organisation/introduction
30 EU programmes http://www.efta.int/eea/eu-programmes
31 EEA grants http://eeagrants.org/Who-we-are
32 Swiss EU funding cut http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/vote-backlash_eu-freezes-switzerland-out-of-research-funds/37974638
33 EFTA free trade map http://www.efta.int/free-trade/fta-map
34 Switzerland and EU relationship https://ius.unibas.ch/uploads/publics/7183/Kientzheim_2011.pdf
35 UK payments to EU http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...w-much-does-Britain-pay-to-the-EU-budget.html
36 Govt research paper on EU exit http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/RP13-42#fullreport
Now that Article 50 will probably invoked sooner than later, here's a good overview of what options the UK has with the EU...and what's obviously not an option:
Shouldn't have been this the core of the Torries leader elections instead of people?
Acidote
Member
I could only hear "Always look on the bright side of life" as I saw this.
Congrats! You just did more work than most of the campaign groups for either side.
Bonus points for including the sources.
Awesome!
Are you sure though about Norway having the financial passport? It neither uses Euro nor is it in the EU. That's a big grant, one that London will be eyeing. Though so far I heard that wouldn't be possible anymore.Well researched, but I feel as though this is a bit of a false dilemma. You are definitely correct in showing the various types of deals that countries outside the EU have with the EU but it sort of implies that these are the only options available. There is nothing stopping us from having a mix of models, for example....a mostly tarrif free zone with restrictions on settlement rights as per the Maastricht treaty. The negotiations haven't even started yet, so it's difficult to tell just what deal that would even be proposed.
Do you really think the same people who were concerned about immigrants taking their jerbs would stop and take a look at this?
-Plasma Reus-
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Are 27 members unanimously going to agree to the UK getting any deal better than they have?
Especially after how this referendum was perceived by the majority of the EU.
Awesome!
Per his sources, EEA countries are eligible for financial passporting.
Here is an FT article that also mentions that passporting would be preservable in a Norway model.
https://next.ft.com/content/eb8dbe8c-3d0c-11e6-9f2c-36b487ebd80a
Of course, the Norway model also means you're subject to all the same restrictions and responsibilities to the EU you were subject to before, just with no vote and no subsidies. That's why it is considered both the best possible Brexit option and a strict downgrade from the status quo.
In this new infograph he suggests that the UK would have to join Schengen to be part of the EEA, which is pretty plausible, in which case it's actually MORE freedom of movement than the UK currently allows.
They don't have to agree unanimously, it's only by qualified majority voting.
It shows examples of how negotiations went with other countries for them to get access to the free market. It's fair to use existing data on past experiences to predict what may happen in the future.
Quite, but it's far from authoritative.
Commander Jameson
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Awesome!
Thanks for the feedback. Let me double check that one.
Edit: Yes. Looks like Norway (through EEA) has the financial passport.
https://www.the-fca.org.uk/firms/passporting
Edit 2: As pigeon said.
Camp Freddie
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http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+WQ+P-2016-001710+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN
I think it needs to be unanimous for trade agreements. We might get a custom UK solution, but I doubt it'll be 'better' than the others and the more we try to change, the longer the negotiations will be.
All the participating countries in EEA must ratify it, as far as I know.
You are probably right. Another forumer said so too and in a Financial Times report I also just read about EEA members being eligible to obtain the financial passport.
Now, the big question is, is the financial passport for the City important enough to anger all Brexiters that demand the end of free migration, the end of contributing to the EU budget and the end of EU regulation...? Without those three things no EEA/Norway deal though.
QuicheFontaine
Member
Exactly my thoughts when looking at it, glad I'm not the only one! Surely the fact that there are already four different models (even more if you include other countries that have EU FTAs) only goes to show that there is room to manoeuvre?
No thanks, we'll have a new poison.
Wait...
Commander Jameson
Member
Oh yes, absolutely. That is a very fair comment. From putting this together, it felt like only a combination of these would be palatable to the UK (for example, mostly Canada with some Swiss).
I'll add a footnote to that effect.
Palculator
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Is that some established tactic? Publish a bunch of bollocks in massive headlines and then put in a correction for ants a week later?
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Alx
Member
Oldest trick in the book, actually.
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