Things are looking pretty good? Lmao. Its stable now because no one had the guts to actually invoke article 50 yet.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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Yeah. The UK as a global power has been done for years. Brexit isn't the cause, it's what will finally make that apparent.
England especially, is as relevant to modern civilisation as Greece and Italy is.
Even less so, because at least Greece and Italy have a tourism industry that isn't mostly localised to their capital cities.
That's some excellent discourse you have there.
- London is one of only two Alpha ++ rated cities in the world (NYC is the other)
- The UK is the 5th (or 6th) largest economy in the world
- The UK is the 2nd largest contributor of aid in the world
- The UK is one of only nine nuclear powers
- The UK is a permanent member of the UN Security Council
- The UK has the 2nd largest diplomatic network in the world
It's also ignoring all the indicators that are saying 'bad things are coming'. The massive plummets in business confidence and investment intentions. The reduction in the number of jobs being advertised. All the longer term data which points to bad stuff just being stored up whilst the world waits to see what happens.
QuicheFontaine
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Kmag said that we're in 6th as long as GBP-USD is below 1.36
At the rate we're going we'll probably be back at 5th sometime next week
<sips tea>
And then back to 6th once the interest rate is cut, likely next month.
It's more exciting than Top of the Pops!
There's being an optimist and there's being delusional.
I'm sure most know what this would be considered.
No, the UK is irrelevant. Judging from the mood of this thread certain posters probably think we'll be the second largest beneficiary of aid a few years after leaving the EU.
Funky Papa
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Don't be a dummy.
Ragnar Blackmane
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I wonder what this British better than the EU - EU will be called. BREU? CommonwEUlth?
Hmm, so what he says is that the focus is on finding other markets (for both export and suppliers) so I guess EEA is off the table from his point of view, right?
That's the direct quote, The Guardian has it that he thinks we'll get tariff free access to the single market with limits on immigration because it would be 'irrational' if we didn't.
We will need to import a lot of lube before signing those one sided deals.
UK wouldn't need to find other similar or bigger markets within 2 years (as unrealistic as this is I work with this assumption) if it would keep the single market access.
I'd like to add English as a global language bit in here. News and discussion from Anglosphere get more exposure internationally by default. This is also a reason why English language press dominates the newsstream.
PJV3
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There's also telling everyone your negotiating strategy while you're scrambling to get started.
I edited before you posted but come on, this thread is so negative. I know the British love to look down on themselves but this is taking it to the next level.
inoperativ
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Boris is having a rough first day at work.
nature boy
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With what leverage? The US and China will not give them favorable terms because UK and are more interested, as Obama has said, to conclude a trade deal with a larger economic bloc.
This is delusional.
Boris Johnson in charge of MI6. Wow.
PJV3
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Davis "Hello, this is Davis Davis"
EU "No deal"
Davis "Hi, we would like access to the single market"
EU "Great, you know the terms..."
Davis "Yes, all the good things and no free movement, thank you"
EU "No deal"
Davis "Pretty please"
EU "No deal"
PJV3
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The Friendly Monster
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Actually I believe the British pretend to look down on themselves while secretly believing themselves superior.
I have to admit I agree. I know that those who think the UK has made the wrong choice here have very good points (I voted Remain), but the doom-mongering is getting a bit tiresome.
The worst case scenario isn't that we turn into Somalia, it's that we lose some level of relevance on the world stage and face low growth for 2-5 years.
It isn't the end of the world, indeed some might say (I wouldn't) that it is a worthwhile price to pay for sovereignty.
That's a pretty sweet generalisation of 64 million people there bro
The Friendly Monster
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I was replying to an equally broad generalisation.
The reason I say it is because as wrongheaded as it is, I notice it in myself sometimes and have to fight it.
I didn't know what - good thing to hear given the times.
Davis is probably one of the worst people for this job. Does he think we still have the British Empire? There's deluded and there's absolutely bonkers. I mean, yes, this is the best case scenario. I would love this to happen but there's no chance we can do all that in 2 years. You only have to look at other countries and see how long it took them to secure a trade deal. Not to mention we don't have any negotiators...
Huw_Dawson
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We contribute 0.7% of GDP as aid. It was a coalition policy taken from the Lib Dem manifesto.
inoperativ
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For sure it's not the end of the world, economically.
But what really hurts is that a large reason people decided to shoot the country in the foot was to get rid of people like me. If the argument had just been some pretentious and eccentric people shouting "sovereignty" against the entire economic, political, and scientific establishment and they came out on top, fair enough, I would still have been annoyed but could have laughed it off. The incredibly ugly views which were expressed by official Leave campaigns and then embraced by the general public by voting for their side have made me feel not welcome in a country I used to call home. If the decent people who genuinely just wanted "sovereignty" think that's also a worthwhile price to pay then I'm afraid I don't want anything to do with them any more either.
New CGP Grey is about Brexit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3_I2rfApYk
QuicheFontaine
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BRUV - British Repository of Universal Vendors
Good Morning!
Just saw this:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/14/andrea-leadsom-repeal-fox-hunting-ban-climate-change
I'd have said we all dodged a bullet, but she is still in cabinet.
See, this is something that I just cannot understand about politicians in this country. Having a fucking person being appointed as energy minister and then coming up with a fucking year 1 schoolkid question like that. It's just fucking ridiculous. It would be like if you gave some random guy (or the guy you shared a sandbox with when you were little) on the street a job as a heart surgeon and he comes into the operation room on his first day, points at the patient's arse, grabs a bread knife and says "Is this the way to get the heart?" Just..unbelievable. Same goes for Jeremy Cunt being appointed Health secretary when he's a huge fan of homeopathy. This whole "I'll just give my incompetent pals a random job in parliament just to make them feel important." thing is just so dumb.
Gove must've been right when he said that we're all fed up with listening to experts because clearly they don't bother to appoint any in Westminster.
GamerMax73
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lol, Future UK>EU trade involves the UK cold calling the EU.
EU (answers phone) "Hello"
UK "Hi can I speak to your chief negotiator?"
EU "Er, yes, Erm, Who is this?"
UK "Yeah, I'm calling about exciting new opportunities we have exclusively for your citizens, I just need to speak to your chief negotiator"
EU "Er, Right, Who did you say you are again"
UK "We're a local Island nation with exciting new opportunities..."
EU "I got that, who are you, are you crank calling me?"
UK "No, No, we're a legit new opp..."
EU "ok, I'm hanging up now"
ICELAND? I've had enough of your IN EU-OUT OF EU nonsense!!
UcchedavÄda
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While Britian is not irrelevant on the world stage, that obsession is partly explained by people rubbernecking what turned out to be a massive, clown-car pile-up.
You can totally hire negotiators.
I think the entire world is just having a right laugh tbh >.>
QuicheFontaine
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It was actually just Sealand putting on a funny accent.
Halph n Halph
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Although I voted to remain in the end, I was incredibly undecided. However, all the talk of global corporations abandoning the UK, the city collapse and relocation to Europe and the cutting off of investment reminds me of the debate about joining the euro currency.
One example.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/nissan-urges-britain-to-join-the-euro-1115176.html
We didn't,and that allowed us control over our own economy after the banks almost collapsed and then took all the taxpayers money that could have been spent on hospitals, schools, infrastructure, and if there was a bit left maybe invest in parts of the country away from the south east.
We still attract investment despite keeping sterling and the doomsayers were ultimately proved to be wrong.
I don't doubt that things may be difficult while uncertainty remains and I will be affected, but I'm also sure deals will be done and we will lose out in some areas and gain in others. We will contribute to the EU for research, defence and security etc and continue to be a European country.
One example.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/nissan-urges-britain-to-join-the-euro-1115176.html
We didn't,and that allowed us control over our own economy after the banks almost collapsed and then took all the taxpayers money that could have been spent on hospitals, schools, infrastructure, and if there was a bit left maybe invest in parts of the country away from the south east.
We still attract investment despite keeping sterling and the doomsayers were ultimately proved to be wrong.
I don't doubt that things may be difficult while uncertainty remains and I will be affected, but I'm also sure deals will be done and we will lose out in some areas and gain in others. We will contribute to the EU for research, defence and security etc and continue to be a European country.
Britain is relevant. Leaving the EU puts our relevance in jeopardy.
to be fair it's not far off the mark!
One major reason that the Euro was ultimately unnecessary? The banking passport. One major thing at risk from these negotiations? The banking passport.
Chittagong
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Lol @ the fear mongering in this thread, as if the 6th biggest economy in the world somehow suddenly becomes a third world banana republic nobody cares to do trade deals with as a priority, because they won't be part of the federation.
I would argue that UK is, in fact, the number one priority for countries to get trade deals in place with, given that EU deals are already in place and don't require additional work at the moment.
I would argue that UK is, in fact, the number one priority for countries to get trade deals in place with, given that EU deals are already in place and don't require additional work at the moment.
Presumably the EU already has trade deals with the US (and China?). Does Davis think our tiny island nation with limited resources and exports will get a better deal than the EU?
entremet
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It's been a very interesting roller coaster for sure haha.
Even the markets are settling nicely.
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