Now, I've got considerable sympathy with non-UK EU citizens resident here. But everybody is going to be effected by Brexit one way or another in ways we can't yet fully anticipate, and I don't see why this particular group should get a free pass when the rest of us don't.
Article 50 |OT| SeppukEU
Because we didn't vote for this shit, and are the only group with any kind of risk of losing the right to continue working/living here.
Yes, this is going to suck for everyone, but people with British citizenships have 0 risk of being told they will have to leave. This was previously the case for EU citizens and will be for at least the next 2 years, but at the moment no one seems to be prepared to guarantee that beyond then. So its not really a "free pass" considering that it's a risk that only EU migrants are exposed to
May criticizing Scotland and saying "Politics is not a game".
This is the best.
The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT3| Britannia Waves the Rules
Comparing her language on Brexit and Indyref2 is next level stuff.
'the most important single market for Scotland is the single market of the United Kingdom'
And the most important single market for the UK is...?
The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT3| Britannia Waves the Rules
Comparing her language on Brexit and Indyref2 is next level stuff.
'the most important single market for Scotland is the single market of the United Kingdom'
And the most important single market for the UK is...?
Britannia rules the waves but is actually moored at a shabby dock in Edinburgh.
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Article 50 |OT| Knowing May, Knowing EU
You know exactly what I mean. Let's stop the semantics.
The UK is unwilling to start negotiations in morally sound way. This is immoral plain and simple. EU citizens are being devalued and marginalised.
In a way, this shows how desperate the government is; that they are intending on using 3 million people with families and lives here, and who have contributed here, as bargaining chips and effective hostages. It has no other card to play, and it knows. The problem with this card is that the 1 million Britons living in Europe will be treated the exact same way.
Elmar Brok MEP, Chair of European Parliament Committee on Foreign Affairs: "Easy negotiations" if Indy Scotland wanted to join EU
I think the process is supposed to be something like:
0.Article 50 happens.
1. Agree in principle that Britain will still pay the £50bn bill that we agreed we'd pay.
2. Agree on the fate of expats and EU nationals.
3. Negotiate a new trade deal with the EU
4. Leave.
The ultimate problem is #3 - the deal we'll probably get is not going to be a complete thing by the time year 2 of the negotiations ends. And there's still a lot of unanswered questions about how we're supposed to adopt gigantic tonnes of EU law as actual British law but not use any EU institutions.
On Scotland...
My expectation is that May will turn around and say that she won't pass legislation permitting an independence referendum this parliament to remove that from the table.
I'd say the problem is #1 and #3. With the current tory rhetoric i cannot see how May can accept any deal where the UK has to pay something which in return will be a no go for the EU.
Can definitely see british tabloids force may to walk away at step 1
Further frustrating Scotland and the narrative that London doesn't care about what we think will grow stronger, something the SNP will easily take advantage of.
Best way for May to play the referendum is to allow it, but push it to after the a50 timeline. Sturgeon's already hinted at letting that happen. Then the onus is on her to avoid a terrible deal.
This rumour that May wants to push it until SNP get a Holyrood majority in 2021 is ridiculous. Our electoral system is designed to minimise majorities.
https://twitter.com/OpenEurope/status/841956514994741248David Davis: in the event of no #Brexit deal we will have an extensive contingency plan & a sharply improved access to the rest of the world
https://twitter.com/OpenEurope/status/841956514994741248
What does that even mean and more importantly what does that have to do with the EU negotiation?
https://twitter.com/OpenEurope/status/841956514994741248
What does that even mean and more importantly what does that have to do with the EU negotiation?
I think he's saying that that's going to happen anyway so even with no deal, we'll have that.
Also, I love Open Europe. And by "love", I mean "loathe". Just another anti-EU think thank masquerading behind a friendly name.
I think he is making two separate points in one tweet.Yeah i get that but by leaving they'll have improved access with or without a trade deal
Interesting. Haven't heard of them. Just saw it RTed on twitter
Yeah i get that but by leaving they'll have improved access with or without a trade deal
Interesting. Haven't heard of them. Just saw it RTed on twitter
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/841944400926236673Brexit Secretary David Davis says Government has not done an economic assessment of the impact of not reaching a deal with the EU on Brexit
Maybe the current strategy is to decimate the EU's negotiating ranks with deadly fits of laughter/cringe.
For all their saying of not revealing their hand this is basically quite telling? Unless they are trying to turn this into a game of Chicken?
I'm sure Boris will come out and say 'Bish bash bosh old chap, of course we've done an assessment, the finest of assessments! Top five ever assessments!'
Meanwhile, Liam Fox will be a bit flustered and unsure, 'When one assesses, what does that entail?'
The Three Brexiteers are truly wonderous people.
Johan van Zyl, chief executive of Toyota Motor Europe, said the investment showed that the company was doing all it could to make Burnaston more competitive.
However, he warned: "Continued tariff-and-barrier free market access between the UK and Europe that is predictable and uncomplicated will be vital for future success.
It is possible to arrange a limited deal that covers, say, only the car industry... If May can get a sign off from every other member state.
May predictably saying no to IndyRef2 as it stands. Not sure she can stop the Scottish Government if they really want one though.
Not really. The information for Brexit was there, people just failed to educate themselves (and were outright lied to). Indyref is based in part on what the UK will look like after Brexit, which is an unknown at the moment."It would be unfair to the people of Scotland that they would be being asked to make a crucial decision without the information they need to make that decision."
Er, ah... a bit like asking the UK to make a crucial decision about leaving the EU in 2016 without the information they need to make that decision?
Not really. The information for Brexit was there, people just failed to educate themselves (and were outright lied to). Indyref is based in part on what the UK will look like after Brexit, which is an unknown at the moment.
Although that's still a poor excuse to deny the vote.
we should probably know more by autumn 2018/spring 2019, though with this government you never know anything!
Anyhoo, BBC's Glen Campbell seems to have been told her statement is a rejection of Sturgeon's timeline rather than the referendum itself.
At least campaigners for leaving the EU were honest. Before the referendum, supporters of the Leave campaign like Davis always explained that if we left, they didnt have the slightest idea what would happen, and even came up with the slogan nine months after the result well confirm we havent looked into it, which as I recall they put on the side of a bus.
Theresa May has insisted that no deal is better than a bad deal, which introduced a philosophical edge to Brexit. Because how can anyone know whether it will be better or worse if we havent yet looked into it? Its like saying you have no idea whats on the other side of the universe, but whatever it is, its better than a donkey.
But Davis went even further, explaining: You dont need pieces of paper with a number on it to make an economic assessment. Of course not, an economic assessment isnt about numbers. When you apply for a mortgage, the bank asks how much you earn, and you say a bit, then the bank manager has a think and says: In that case youre allowed to borrow a yellowish amount, that reminds you of the sea. So you ask: How much will I have to pay back every month? and they say: Come back in nine months, by which time I wont have looked into it yet.
Asked whether British citizens will continue, after Brexit, to get free healthcare in the EU, Davis said they probably wouldnt, but added reassuringly: I have not looked at that one.
This shows the problem Hammond made with his Budget, he gave out exact numbers. He should have said: The borrowing requirements for the coming year as predicted by the Office of Budget Responsibility are a bit salty and not as soggy as you might think. To this end, National Insurance contributions for the self-employed will be curlier than they have been, and taste of cucumber. Then he wouldnt have had to change his mind and look an idiot.
You can understand how he was caught on the hop, because the campaign for Britain to leave the EU has only been going on for around 40 years, so theyve hardly had a moment to consider what to do if they got their way.
Michael Heseltine's letter to Theresa May.
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Killer last paragraph.
So... what happened exactly? May wanted him to no longer associated with members of the House of Commons, or...?
So... what happened exactly? May wanted him to no longer associated with members of the House of Commons, or...?
He was sacked from his position as an advisor to the Gov after he voted against the A50 bill in the house of lords. (well voted to amend it)
Heseltine had a few advisory positions with the Government, working on industrial strategy and urban redevelopment. He was fired from those roles after voting in favour of the amendment to the Brexit bill that gave Parliament a 'meaningful vote' on the final deal.
Voting against the whip isn't taken lightly by any party leader.Ah, punishing dissent. What a great, unifying spirit the Prime Minister inspires.