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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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The makeup of the EU is entirely decided by the voting population of its respective countries.
The UK got such a good deal and so many opt-outs anyway.
A lot of people regret their vote now as well. It's a mess all round.
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Sturgeon will speak soon, after she finishes this cabinet meeting. Expected to address Scottish referendum for independence.
Boy Wander
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Yeah a lot of remainers showing true colours. Democracy is great so long as it gives the result they wanted, now they want to change it. This isn't a pair of fucking slacks you've bought from M&S - you can't take the result back and exchange it because you don't like it. Be pissed off , protest, whatever but don't ask for a re-run.
Who is this EU?
jakonovski
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"The Leave campaign fucked you over and just about every promise was a lie. Deal with it! Oh, and there's no plan. Never was."
This is getting so farcically bad that I'm getting even more worried that the EU will not learn its lesson. They'll just point and laugh at the incompetence on display, and things continue rolling slowly towards a wider EU failure.
This is getting so farcically bad that I'm getting even more worried that the EU will not learn its lesson. They'll just point and laugh at the incompetence on display, and things continue rolling slowly towards a wider EU failure.
Joelstinton14
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When leave voters realised they have been misled this could get nasty.
Already Farage as debunked the NHS spending.
Already Ukip have said that immigration levels won't go down
Already Daniel Hannan as said that it likely that we would have to accept free movement of people in any deal with the EU.
I think it is a fair thing to say a majority of Leave voters voted on Immigration, putting money into the NHS and that our borders will be closed.
They have been misled. Some have already realised this, some didn't realise what their vote meant, just look at tv reactions from the public.
Also just shy of the population as voted to remain, it is not that many people who seperate the outcome of this vote. tensions and people emotions are understandably high.
Our economy is going to be damaged enough as a result of the rest of the UK's stupidity. We're already pumping huge amounts of money into these places, why should we pay more of our share of what we stop paying to the EU to them as well?
I don't care about unifying after this referendum. I now longer feel any sense of unity with the Little Englanders. They want to go it alone, let them do it and see how little they really are.
PdotMichael
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What a coincidence that they are telling the public the campaign lied after the voting didn't clarify it in the weeks and months before it.
His Majesty
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Glad the Scottish will get another chance after that disgraceful 'better together' campaign.
To be fair, I've never seen so much regret - or buyer's remorse - be reported across the media.
The only clear differentiator between the two tribes seems to be in the higher education category.
PJV3
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She's got a nice advantage with Cameron and the Tories in limbo.
You are spewing campaign propaganda? Truly we all lost.
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Relevance to the thread?
The main thing that gets me is that largely areas dependent on the EU voted out, as did older people who also depend on a lot of the services and benefits only really possible because of the EU, foreign investment and immigration.
Now they're all going to demand that London pays for all that gravy. I won't be happy to see those people suffer, but they'll pretty much deserve it and I'm not planning on sticking around to be part of the workforce paying for their bad decisions.
Now they're all going to demand that London pays for all that gravy. I won't be happy to see those people suffer, but they'll pretty much deserve it and I'm not planning on sticking around to be part of the workforce paying for their bad decisions.
Audioboxer
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not enough discussions about America
Who is they here, exactly?
People think Farage is a tit (rightly so) and call him out as being a lying pig over every claim he makes, yet are choosing to accept his claim about a movement he wasn't a part of (albeit one aiming for roughly the same thing) lying about their campaign.
The leave vote is not a vote for Nigel Farage and neither he personally nor his party have won anything here, and there's not much indication to go on thus far that any direction the country goes in from here will involve him in any way. He's going to be throwing as many spanners in the works of a Boris lead UK out of Europe as he tried to under a Cameron lead Britain in Europe. The £350m might be a lie and Farage might be right about that, but there's a degree of hypocrisy amongst those choosing to just flat out believe him now about this because it suits their agenda.
Starwolf_UK
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Try to see beyond that and tell me why the idea of "more than important than several general elections" referendum not having a minimum turnout or minimum majority are bad things?
It might be too late to do anything about this one but we can make sure things are in place for the future.
Fair in what way? We had the worst politics I've ever seen in the country from both sides that kind of made it clear both were making it up as it goes along. Oh this is "more than important than several general elections" which is why neither party really had a manifesto or even a solid plan and we see it right now with "oh we've got no PM. Who would think a dead man walking wanted to go and die in peace. Guess we'll push the article 50 button by Christmas, we might have a PM to do it by then" shows.
I never thought I'd see a real life example of the Judean People's Front sketch used as an argument.
Screaming Meat
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That's pretty much the feeling in my house.
She's got an ethical right to protest. But I'm really not sure this is the right way to go about it. The economy is slowing. And the financial markets are volatile.
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Let us know what they say.
Boy Wander
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Where do you set the ceiling? Say they set it at 75% and remain lost, they'd be calling for 80%.
The irony is that these areas received grants from the EU for this reason. They're going to remain deprived as all efforts are focused on London to try and make it remain relevant internationally.
Miles Quaritch
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The browns are comin' to get ya!
Darkstorne
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And yet he said NOTHING about it until after the vote. He was implicit with the lies. If he really cared about honesty and a fair referendum that wasn't misleading the masses then he would have pointed out it wasn't true during the campaigning and specifically said he didn't agree with it. But he didn't do that. He went along with the whole thing.
hydrophilic attack
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This picture raises a couple of questions:
1. How is it relevant to the thread?
2. What the fuck is going on with the trump supporter's right shoe?
LOL. Ok this slayed me.
He didn't print it, he didn't say it, to assign responsibility to him for it and then call him out on it is incredibly disingenuous. It's not his responsibility to do anything about the leaflet.
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This is the perfect opportunity and the right thing to do for Scottish people, and that is her primary concern.
PJV3
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She can begin negotiations, Scotland doesn't Need to act fully but she can get a lot done.
Breaking? Was that not said yesterday?
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Holy shit at what the EU is saying right now.
Looks like they can trigger article 50?
Looks like they can trigger article 50?
They wanted to take back control though! Well here's your chance guys.
aygomyownroad
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Sturgeon can bang on all she wants without authorisation from Westminster an independence referendum holds no legal weight.
We need unity more than ever just now. This just causes greater divisions
We need unity more than ever just now. This just causes greater divisions
That is a maximum of two years. Anything that is not arranged by then? You just get kicked out without a deal.
Countries can always try to declare independence. It is up to the rest of the world to see if they accept. England can't stop that. They might block it from the United Nations, but the United States might push back them on that.
That's the same girl who gets videos made by her BF to show how dumb she is, I don't know if she actually is that stupid or if it's all an act.
Same. My wife and I work in financial services (not in London) and contribute much more (financially) to the UK economy than we take back. We voted to remain and it feels like we are being dragged into something ugly that we didn't want. I feel divided with the populace that has called for this, not united with them as people are calling for. If I had a vocal racist living next door I would at best ignore him and at worst decry him or eventually move house.
On the financial side, "get our money back from the EU fat cats, har har" leaving I think is the only way I can make a personal difference to the leave voters - we'll take our expertise (and Tax/NI contributions/consumer spending) into the EU.
Not by the German FM/Merkel. He struck a more cautious tone before the meeting began today but it's clear now it's a shared position among all EU founding members.
Boy Wander
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Can someone either explain or link me to an article that explains why the Scottish vote was so heavily in favour of remain. I haven't really been following that aspect of this whole issue.
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Scotland doesn't need Westminsters legal approval and Westminster is more likely to accept it anyway.Otherwise it will go from a disunion to a serious issue.
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