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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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SMH.
Miles Quaritch
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Jewish voting so strongly in favour of leaving is surprising.
around 10-15 thousand, you can check the map
Boy Wander
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You seem like a reasonable fellow.
Is that not a reasonable position? Why should the parts of the country that voted to stay pay the difference for the parts that voted to screw themselves by leaving?
It might just be me but is it worded weirdly from the 60% part? (Or a typo)
"60% based a turnout less than 75%"
Is it meant to read "60% based on a turnout less than 75%"?
this is probably common political sense for local authorities
but fucking hell doesn't it embody the sheer mad arrogance of the leavers over the benefits of the eu. as if magically we'll have the same money despite the eu driving so much of our economy. that money to invest. it's not there anymore. we're becoming a smaller, poorer country.
60m over a decade is pittance.
ferrasvansen
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Yeah there should be a new petition, to ensure that vote leave areas are not bailed out by the remain areas. Then again London likely subsidisies them already.
No.
Now is the time to fight, and keep fighting to either prevent the departure - for parts of the "U"K or all of it - or to rejoin.
Leave wouldn't have given up had sanity won, and Remain sure as fuck shouldn't stop fighting now.
Let's just keep voting till we get it right. That's EU Democracy for you.
Dirtyshubb
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Except for the fact that these unies are some of the ones with a higher diversity breakdown, but let's not care about giving all of of people a helping hand.
Anti-Muslim sentiment?
Carl2291
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It's literally toys out of the pram.
It's literally not.
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EU migrants are less likely to be Muslim.
Joelstinton14
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Yeah i'm pissed off. I'm cornish and live here.
It is desperately sad. A few of the papers did publish articles looking at the benefits of EU funding and what it is has done for us, but they were met (online at least) with claims of scaremongering, lies, rubbish from prominent leave voters.
It is desperately sad. Cornwall has been growing as a county. We have a fairly new University built at falmouth (mostly funded by EU money) that has been a massive success, it is rapidly climbing the University league tables (only a few years old, 2012) and already 58th, and going up each year.
The sunday times listed it as the best arts university to go to.
Our airport is mostly funded by EU money. Which is ...was... potentially going to be a space port too.
This is going to be a disaster.
dealer-
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Yep, it was emotional for them, facts didn't matter. They're probably still chuffed with the result.
There you go again, blaming the EU for something homegrown. That's beautifully typical of Leavite opinion.
ferrasvansen
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Selective memory, considering how frequently the leave folk said if we get 48% we would expect another referendum. Now the other side says the same and thats all forgotten eh.
Have you actually looked the results from across the country, there's still a huge proportion who wanted to remain. This was from the council too, whose job it is to look after people.
Totally can't blame the council for trying.
You're far too rational.
There's been a lot of that. It's ok, I understand people need to vent. Get it over with so that people can actually start to think about what kind of deal would be acceptable to the 48% people who voted to remain, and the 52% of people who voted to leave.
Cheeseman Battitude
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Well why not? The petition isn't far away from the numbers required by Remain to level the the result, so once it goes over that there will be a majority of people who want to remain.
Miles Quaritch
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A little extreme, you have to ask yourself how many of those people actually knew the EU was investing in their county.
I do think that actions have consequences though and their actions have meant they lost substantial EU funding. It's unfair to expect London to pick up that bill and I don't believe we have an obligation to step in and fill that funding gap.
I thought this, but...
Yup. Unless they bought into the whole "The Turks are invading" rhetoric.
Carl2291
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Leave folk being Nigel Farage, who funnily enough the Remain side are happy to disregard anything the man says.
We had a fair referendum. Leave won. Remain lost. Deal with it.
Dirtyshubb
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Let alone that farage himself said if they got 52% of the votes it wouldn't be enough but suddenly it's an overwhelming victory.
Gormless Noodle
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Assuming that's true (I don't know the numbers), it still might be fairly easy to scare them into it. But I could be wrong of course.
so people don't want democracy any more, even if the vote was won by 1 vote, deal with it and work to make Britain the best it can be given the circumstances.
With such a split country there was always going to be a vast sum of disappointment on one side, but please to all those running around with petitions and verbally abusing and stereotyping half the nation stop being a cry baby and get on with it like a grown up.
Joelstinton14
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His figures are wrong; we are due to receive 600 million from 2014 to 2020. We have recieved 1bn of help over the last 15 years.
This would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
This was the exact point of the campaign, that London doesn't get to be the sole decision maker. There was no point in there to put decision making away from London.
RedSparrows
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Quite, but they used it and it was popular. They can't wash their hands of it. Even Farage: he said fuck all about it before the result, other than stuff that chimed with its sentiment. Hypocrites and liars.
Carl2291
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Or alternatively the vast majority of people signing the petition voted to Remain in the first place and cannot handle or accept that they lost.
As expected. Black people got completely fucked over here.
ferrasvansen
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A fair referendum hahaha, when your most vocal supporter of leave goes on TV just two hours after the result and admits the main things their campaign was built on was lies, very funny.
Except for Scotland and Northern Ireland, of course. Yet we're being dragged down with it.
Cheeseman Battitude
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True, I accept that.
That's not even half true. The quote was from the Vote Leave campaign, while the guy they were interviewing was part of a completely different campaign (Leave.eu).
Boy Wander
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That's like saying why should I obey any laws that the Tories brought in because I voted Labour. That's how democracy works isn't it. You accept the will of the majority. I didn't vote for us to piss money away to prop up the Greeks because they're shit at running their country, but it happened.
ferrasvansen
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Yeah but at least he was honest enough to admit the official campaign lied.
Carl2291
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People were free to research the facts, just like in any other national vote. This is no difference.
Remain were refuting Leave claims every step of the way. The general population chose to ignore them and a majority of people who could be arsed to vote when it mattered want us out.
Deal with it.
Dirtyshubb
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Of the fact that's it's clear many leave voters were actually voting against their best interests and are suddenly realising their mistakes.
I'm willing to bet if another vote came the results would favour remain since a lot of people are now aware of the benefits of the EU and how many lies were told from the leave campaign (nhs funding and reduced immigration).
Who's fault is this? A combination of ignorance on the voters and lies from the leave campaign and our biased media.
Saying 'oh well deal with it' doesn't cut it and basically admits the campaign was Bullshit and you are happy to steal a victory.
So basically it is half true, since the Vote Leave campaign did claim it and did lie.
Yeah, I have to say this whole situation really increased my understanding why the black vote in the US was so hung up on Hillary Clinton. Even if Bernie might have benefited them more policy wise (if he could actually implement them) they weren't going to take the increased risk of losing against Trump (or having a deadlocked congress).
Can you source the person from Vote Leave who said that they lied? Someone else saying someone else lied is not the same thing.
jellies_two
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It's unreasonable
Because the people who voted are not the same as the local government hoping to ensure continuity of support for the entire community?
Because for every quid the EU donated to Cornwall or wherever they took two quid from the U.K. Treasury so treasury should be able to replace the funds with the money now not paid to the EU?
Because England decided where eu assistance went, not some foreign guy in Brussels and presumably the arguments for assistance have not changed?
U.K. Was not a recipient of eu aid it was the other way round. I see the twisting logic to inflict pain on leave voters or districts as ends searching for means.
But of course Farage couldn't bother himself with calling out that convenient lie until after the vote. He implicitly supported it, he can't claim to distance himself now.
Well, given the EU's virulent dislike of democratic opinion when it runs counter to the EU project, I can quite understand why it'd influence the Remainers in their own opinion.
Leave won. Stop calling for reruns, or decrying how the old or the uninformed got to vote.
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