That is the hallmark of a truly great right wing extremist career politician, you say things with such conviction that no one really knows if you believe them or not, I'm not even sure he knows.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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That is the hallmark of a truly great right wing extremist career politician, you say things with such conviction that no one really knows if you believe them or not, I'm not even sure he knows.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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The thing is, I can see the push back against A "United states of Europe". I can see why anyone whether British, French or Spanish would hate that.
But....
99% of European legislation that I have come into contact with has, even in a misguided way, been written up for the benefit for the entire people of Europe.
I don't particularly, from idological point of view, get along with most Europeans I have met, but the idea we are all part of a common whole was something that was comforting and slightly something to be proud of.
Meanwhile, I live in a country where the current government has at every turn, introduced legislation to fuck me over and I have lived 33 years around people that had clear and demonstratable prejudices against me because of my background and skin color.
So yeah. I'm far more attached to my status as a European citizen than a British/English one.
But....
99% of European legislation that I have come into contact with has, even in a misguided way, been written up for the benefit for the entire people of Europe.
I don't particularly, from idological point of view, get along with most Europeans I have met, but the idea we are all part of a common whole was something that was comforting and slightly something to be proud of.
Meanwhile, I live in a country where the current government has at every turn, introduced legislation to fuck me over and I have lived 33 years around people that had clear and demonstratable prejudices against me because of my background and skin color.
So yeah. I'm far more attached to my status as a European citizen than a British/English one.
Empire, Rule Brittania fixes everything right.
Man, that's painful to watch ... cringe supreme
Just to follow up on this, in light of Farage's remarks that the people there are all lazy slobs:
CyclopsRock
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Guess it depends on whether you're talking absolutely or relatively. The EU exports more to the UK than the UK does to the EU. If we assume that, in both directions, those exports go elsewhere then as a whole lot wouldn't hurt the EU as much in relative terms, but it would cost them more greatly absolutely than it would cost the UK.
Obviously though exports are only part of the story.
Camp Freddie
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Can't you see the fear in the eyes of those unelected bureaucrats when faced with the true grit of a British Bulldog?
Sure, they hide it behind facepalms, laughter, Gallic shrugs and a mild sense of embarrasment - but inside they are afraid! Afraid of the glorious rebirth of the British Empire!
Woo!
Exactly.
AHA-Lambda
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there's another dig at boris/gove there
Pretty much exactly my situation.
I've been wanting to live under a purely European government ever since I've been able to vote (8 years). I've never seen anything put through Europe that I've hated. My own government though...
There is. You'll need to import most of it.
The MEP behind Farage couldn't keep it together when Farage said the consequences would be worse for the EU than for the UK:
UK says fuck you to EU and still thinks it can call the shots?
The whole world is laughing at us. Fucking hell.
Funky Papa
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In the EU case, it helps that said exports come from a large number of separate states instead of just one country. Not only that greatly ameliorates the hit, but allows for some maneuverability.
Come now, a heart surgeon hardly qualifies as a job.
The worst thing is, I think he honestly believes they need us more than we need them. I mean, this is the man who started smoking again because he "believes the doctors got it wrong".
Frankfurter
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Bony Manifesto
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Fair point. Although we seem to import practically everything anyway, and it's not like the price of home-grown stuff is going anywhere but up either.
Woo!
So shit will soon hit the fan again...which hopefully is the ignore the vote green light.
It's worse, it borders on being one of them filthy experts.
AHA-Lambda
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Can't believe Sky News has better reporting right now than BBC.
They're still on Osborne's statement whereas BBC is waxing on about Corbyn still.
They're still on Osborne's statement whereas BBC is waxing on about Corbyn still.
I travel the country a lot, and truly love all of it (which is why this mess is so heartbreaking), and I cannot wait to see the North return to its incredible potential. But I think no matter what we did, or who was in power, as the world globalised, the fallout in those areas was inevitable, and it would be arrogant to say we could have insulated ourselves from it completely (although we could have handled it with a lot more grace).
We have been in a transitional period for decades now (and will be for a few more) and what scares me is that all our energy should be going to planning for the next global shake-up - automation and AI, but instead it feels like we still can't get over the last one.
Frankfurter
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Well, there you go. That would be the only way the statement could make sense. I mean, in a way that doesn't make sense at all, but technically speaking he wouldn't be totally wrong.
efyu_lemonardo
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If I was in Farage's position I'd be terrified to walk out on the streets of the UK. Does he have a team of bodyguards?
Yep, exactly the same
He's fine, he was born here.
Palculator
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Are they generally disliked? I can only watch BBC through questionably legal means here (not a Briton) whereas Sky News is just putting their stream on YouTube so I've been looking at that off and on when I wanted to see what British news are reporting.
jakonovski
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I think the market will be reacting to whatever happens. Right now all the early panickers have sold and bargain hunters are roaming, at least the optimistic ones. Cameron crashes and burns in Brussels tonight and it's free fall time again.
FTSE 100 up 2.45% (FTSE 250 up 2.83%). Other European markets up around 1-3%.
So you're perfectly fine with what the EU did to Greece?
Reckon the people most likely to attack anyone are in his fanclub anyway.
Farage embodies the moronic reasoning and delusions of grandeur exhibited by people who voted to leave.
Psychotext
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Gets to me in a big way. I'm going to react badly if I see someone doing that shit in the real world.
Imp the Dimp
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A politician of the popular German right wing party suggested using firearms against children and women if necessary to secure the borders. Your right wing politicians are nothing special, dear Britons.
efyu_lemonardo
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So was Jo Cox
Peter Ian Staker
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Live in Greece for a year and then tell me if you want a purely european government.
One side is not like the other.
Theonik
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It is the responsibility of the people in power to get their people aboard with what they are doing. That the people of the UK are not taught about the position of their nation in the EU and that their politicians have elected to systematically scapegoat their own failings in a big scary EU boogieman is all of them. The EU is pretty transparent. More transparent than the UK political system is.
This isn't quite true. British papers have for a very long time, longer than the internet as a source for information has been mainstream been about pandering to their readers. People were joking about it in the 80s too.
Because this is what he's always done. His popularity is down to him just going in there and be a loud obnoxious prick to satisfy his base. He also has no responsibility in any subsequent negotiations so feels no pressure if things go south.
AHA-Lambda
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Sky News is probably the closest thing we have here to Fox News so I'm shocked they're at least still covering the more important issue
Greece screwed themselves over and over. EU couldn't keep kicking the can down the road. It's horribly painful but the blame is firmly on the Greek governments long before the EU got involved or even joined the EU.
I know how it might sound like that if you have a tribal mentality, but you really need to get out of the trench, and see that we're really not propping up arguments. This is the reality of the situation. The markets are uncertain and finding their level.
I've lived in Greece for most of my life and I wish people like Verhofstad and Junker were in charge.
Greece's problems were created by Greek people and democratically elected Greek governments.
Short term tank shocking the populace into Remain would be better than 5-10 year depression in my honest opinion.
You want to see tanking - if it gets to the day Article 50 is invoked, things are going to go loco
Not to mention the media in this country (particularly the press) is utterly abysmal.
All of us want the economy to be as minimally impacted as possible, but not all of us are as capable as others at sticking their head in the sand.
PrivateRyan
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The comments are... eurgh.
You honestly believe that they would start to properly recover now, 5 days later, with no end or plan in sight and parts of the country wanting to leave and with the chancellor saying we'll need higher taxes and less spending?
I love how he urges the EU to act "grown-up and responsibly" right before insulting all of them.
The very thing you quoted called it a dead cat bounce.
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