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[*Splinter]

How so? Or do you mean the posibility that the rise in racism sickens people enough that they don't wont want to come here?

Or we go bankrupt and start emigrating to Poland )

 

[sohois]

Too many people in a country, public services cannot cope, not enough housing, wage suppression, lack of jobs etc etc.

Perfecty fine reasons to vote leave and try halt the problem. Nothing at all to do with racism.

This seem pretty weak. Too many people is awfully abstract and in any case is entirety captures by your subsequent point: too many people is only a problem if it causes not enough housing and public service pressure and so on.

As for those points, they would appear to be far more down to local government issues. Pressure on public services exists due to a lack of investment (and something else for the NHS), housing is similar and often due to nimbyism also. More pertinently, population growth is an absolute necessity due to the demographic time bomb approaching us and every other western country, the one that has already enveloped Japan.

I don't doubt many people will already have pointed out to you that the economic disaster of a leave vote destroys any possible gains in job numbers or wages and then some. Not to mention that unemployment was already very low at around 5%. Or that a huge amount of this is due to globalization beyond even the scope of the EU.

I also enjoyed how you wrote etc etc, to give the illusion that there are many more valid reasons when I'm pretty sure that's all you can think of.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Vodafone evaluating moving domicile - probably to Dusseldorf. Would mean shutting down Newbury HQ and Paddington offices. 1-2k jobs.

We should do a sweepstake on what unemployment will be in June 2019 after brexit, I will go for 3,000,000. This is going to be a bloodbath of UK jobs, bleeding toward Europe.

 

[GamerMax73]

Godwin's law still alive and well. Yes, this is just like Nazi Germany.

Just want to say your late to the party I invoked Godwin's law several pages back when I compared Britain in 2016 to Germany in 1933 - a comparison I'm happy to stand by in looking at the rise of UKIP, Thursday's outcome, and a sudden understanding on how Hitler rose to power.

I know that's all an aside and almost nothing to do with what you were commenting on - other than I invoked Godwin's law first

 

[GamingKaiju]

Yeah . I think EU know we are troubled and need saving before we do any more damage to ourselves and the EU as a whole.

They should call of leave because it will damage the British people . All the hate crimes we are seeing if it goes further possibly riots.

Cameron should just fucking fall on his sword . Farage thrown out .

The EU Are the shown as the professional adults they are , UK looks like a toddler throwing a fit.

We will be a toothless partner in the EU but still in it.

The massve amoubt of schadenfreude this has caused is a big example to all why we need the EU.

Cameron, Borris and Farage should all be publicly shamed and do the walk of atonement for the damage that they have done.

Humble pie will have to be eaten and some small punishments for what has happened but we can rebuild our credibility. The SNP are the only party genuinely on the ground and trying to sort this mess out.

 

[Humidex]

A 16 year old Polish girl living here killed herself in the wake of it and somehow it's been cited (perhaps via a note, or text messages, or something else) that she did it because she was being bullied at school because of her nationality, and it worsened in the Brexit aftermath. I'm amazed it hasn't been a bigger story really, since it's heartbreaking, but there's a hell of a lot going on.

It's not this one is it?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ound-dead-at-school-in-cornwall-a7037771.html

 

[jufonuk]

I hope the EU recognise the 48% of us who wish to stay and offer us a chance . Just a way out .

FFS cameron take the loss . Eat it. Fucking take it save some face grow a back bone and come down hard on any racist fuckers . Develop poorer areas . I don't know actually fucking do you were elected to do.
Lead the country the right way

 

[figadapaura]

Don't you know that people not in this country have some magic inalienable right to move to our country that we have denied them?

I can't quite grasp what point you're trying to make here.

 

[Dougald]

Vodafone evaluating moving domicile - probably to Dusseldorf. Would mean shutting down Newbury HQ and Paddington offices. 1-2k jobs.

Remember when I said about redundancy in my family? There it is

 

[Shadax the wizard]

You don't understand racists being more open with their racism after a referendum that was based around immigration, aka mainstream friendly racism, told them they were right?

I wasn't there for the campaigns and I don't know what their (deleted?) pitch was. I'm watching this from the outskirts and trying to make sense of this fuckery.

 

[Jisgsaw]

Watch any news that you wish. If you honestly don't think that the EU wants to become one sole nation then I guess I'm as flabbergasted as the remain voters on here.

There isn't an unique EU will, in case you haven't noticed. Some want it, some don'T, however everyone agrees that if it ever happens, it's a very long way off.

Indeed. However, who says that they would use it?

However, who says your next PM doesn't decide to screw your country up even more than a USE would?(Spoiler: they've been doing it for 10+ years)
That's democracy: if you don't trust someone to represent your interest, don't fucking vote for him.


This whole USE discussion is completely blown of, because:
1. It isn't a serious consideration right now, as there isn't the will inside the EU to do it for the moment
2. Even if it did become a serious subject, UK has a free, written, binding out
3. Even without it, such major change can only go through a referendum. As Leave campaign points out since friday, a referendum should be respected, as it is the will of the people. They are vocal against the Exit, but right now, nothing points to a remain. I'll stand corrected if this isn't the case.

I strongly believe that we, as a species, are incapable of living under one rule.

Peculiar thought coming from a brit.

As far as I'm concerned a vote to stay in the EU was a vote for the status quo.

Even if that were true (and it probably is), the status quo is not the USE, nor is it for the moment forseeable a hypothetical USE will come during our lifetime.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I can't quite grasp what point you're trying to make here.

Welcome to the leave campaign.

 

[*Splinter]

I hope the EU recognise the 48% of us who wish to stay and offer us a chance . Just a way out .

FFS cameron take the loss . Eat it. Fucking take it save some face grow a back bone and come down hard on any racist fuckers . Develop poorer areas . I don't know actually fucking do you were elected to do.
Lead the country the right way

Don't hold your breath. I still think we could stay, but the earlier that's confirmed the more push back it will receive. We're going to be waiting a couple of months at the very least.

 

[daviyoung]

I wasn't there for the campaigns and I don't know what their (deleted?) pitch was. I'm watching this from the outskirts and trying to make sense of this fuckery.

UKIP's campaign has been a long one

 

[Abstrusity]

So, let's talk trade. The UK drops out of the EU, and tries to negotiate trade deals with the EU, the Americas.

What does the UK have for comparative advantage over anything in the Americas? The EU is a different story, as far as I know.

 

[GamerMax73]

This seem pretty weak. Too many people is awfully abstract and in any case is entirety captures by your subsequent point: too many people is only a problem if it causes not enough housing and public service pressure and so on.

Which is exactly what is happening. Not that I'm defending the OP, he's argument completely fails to take in to account birth and death rates and the fact the same pressures would remain with zero immigration.

 

[TheFatOne]

I hope the EU recognise the 48% of us who wish to stay and offer us a chance . Just a way out .

FFS cameron take the loss . Eat it. Fucking take it save some face grow a back bone and come down hard on any racist fuckers . Develop poorer areas . I don't know actually fucking do you were elected to do.
Lead the country the right way

Cemeron isn't going to do shit. He's already set it up for the next pm to make all the hard decisions, and take most of the blame. He is going to just try to quietly ride out the next couple of months. Nothing I have seen would suggest otherwise, but I'm also on the outside looking in. So far all points indicate that his plan is to do nothing, and just hand over the next pm a shit sandwich.

 

[ferrasvansen]

So, let's talk trade. The UK drops out of the EU, and tries to negotiate trade deals with the EU, the Americas.

What does the UK have for comparative advantage over anything in the Americas? The EU is a different story, as far as I know.

The special friendship.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Remember when I said about redundancy in my family? There it is

I'm sorry.

 

[daviyoung]

So, let's talk trade. The UK drops out of the EU, and tries to negotiate trade deals with the EU, the Americas.

What does the UK have for comparative advantage over anything in the Americas? The EU is a different story, as far as I know.

baby Royals

 

[Dartastic]

Don't worry I don't take it personally, I actually enjoy the discussion, just a shame that out of like a dozen replies there's maybe 2 which are actually worth acknowledging.

Well, your initial statement of the EU becoming a "United States of Europe" is barely worth replying to anyway, as it's as delusional as Nigel Farage.

 

[Bobnob]

So you guys are going all out on the racism card,your family's should be ashamed of you, it a sad thing but it's true to say that there are racist on both sides of the card.
The EU was a sinking ship,you can research that yourselves

 

[daviyoung]

So you guys are going all out on the racism card,your family's should be ashamed of you, it a sad thing but it's true to say that there are racist on both sides of the card.

wassat bruv?

 

[liquidtmd]

Yeah . I think EU know we are troubled and need saving before we do any more damage to ourselves and the EU as a whole.

They should call of leave because it will damage the British people . All the hate crimes we are seeing if it goes further possibly riots.

Cameron should just fucking fall on his sword . Farage thrown out .

The EU Are the shown as the professional adults they are , UK looks like a toddler throwing a fit.

We will be a toothless partner in the EU but still in it.

The massve amoubt of schadenfreude this has caused is a big example to all why we need the EU.

I don't disagree with the bulk.

I want a Second Ref.

I want to Remain

However...merely for financial and trade reasons. If you offered me a way to leave the EU without sacrificing trade and financial / business considerations I'd take it in a heart beat.

I voted Remain because we do indeed need the trade and financial established order we currently have. The EEA is effectively the same, as such (before you jump on me) I don't see it as a worthwhile alternative for us to change to. I hate what the Level Vote has done, but the EU IS entirely bloated and fucking awful in many aspects. We cannot 'reform it from the inside' either as decades have shown. As such, those who voted Leave as a (misguided ultimately IMO) protest vote - I hear you loud and clear.

 

[DiGiKerot]

So, let's talk trade. The UK drops out of the EU, and tries to negotiate trade deals with the EU, the Americas.

What does the UK have for comparative advantage over anything in the Americas? The EU is a different story, as far as I know.

We'll withhold the BBC from exporting Doctor Who and Top Gear until we get a good deal.

Oh, wait, no-one likes those now.

Bake Off. You'll still want Bake Off, right? I mean, it's all about Cake. Rich, glutinous chocolate cake. It's popular in France, don't you know?

 

[ferrasvansen]

Remember when I said about redundancy in my family? There it is

Damn sorry to hear that, just hope someone in position of authority eventually sees sense in this amateur hour of UK politics.

 

[GamerMax73]

Or we go bankrupt and start emigrating to Poland )

Back to Godwin's law - I did fleetingly wonder (in a fit of semi-racist humour which I totally apologise for) if post Brexit England should consider invading Poland?

 

[Morat]

So you guys are going all out on the racism card,your family's should be ashamed of you, it a sad thing but it's true to say that there are racist on both sides of the card.
The EU was a sinking ship,you can research that yourselves

Yeah like innit i read it in the sun

 

[Zaph]

So you guys are going all out on the racism card,your family's should be ashamed of you, it a sad thing but it's true to say that there are racist on both sides of the card.

It's like a post written by a "both sides" word generator.

 

[Bobnob]

wassat bruv?

typical of this thread

 

[ClosingADoor]

So you guys are going all out on the racism card,your family's should be ashamed of you, it a sad thing but it's true to say that there are racist on both sides of the card.
The EU was a sinking ship,you can research that yourselves

Please point me towards racism and violence from the Remain campaign after the vote. I'm waiting.

And please explain how the EU is a sinking ship. "Research yourself" is not a valid answer.

 

[BlastProcessing]

It prevents (slows the rate really) the problem getting worse.

It accelerates the problem. You just destabilised your leadership, threw your economic future into a swamp of uncertainty, and created a ticking clock.

Leaving puts massive stress on all of your social systems, the only way you could possibly make it through that is with strong leadership and the type of decisive action that comes from a unified populus. How do you like your chances?

 

[TheFatOne]

So you guys are going all out on the racism card,your family's should be ashamed of you, it a sad thing but it's true to say that there are racist on both sides of the card.

This is essentially the tactic republicans use in the U.S. They immediately cry about being called racists. Then, they go out and say hey not all of us are racists. Look I have a black friend I swear! That may be true, but you sure as shit have no problem standing on the shoulders of racists to get things done. No problem using their vote in order to push their own agendas. May not be racists, but have no issues standing with them if it supports your issues.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

So you guys are going all out on the racism card,your family's should be ashamed of you, it a sad thing but it's true to say that there are racist on both sides of the card.
The EU was a sinking ship,you can research that yourselves

I find it hard to imagine racists would vote remain.

 

[daviyoung]

typical of this thread

sweet bruv

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Dutch journalist on the BBC just destroyed Nigel's argument about a potential Dutch exit. The leave campaign wants to pretend other countries want to make the same choice.
Also, considering this fallout, any slight chance of it may have been silenced for a long time.

 

[Abstrusity]

The special friendship.

baby Royals

Bake Off. You'll still want Bake Off, right? I mean, it's all about Cake. Rich, glutinous chocolate cake. It's popular in France, don't you know?

Yeah...ya'll are fucked. On the plus side, at least I'll be able to buy cheap real estate in London, soon.

 

[avaya]

Remember when I said about redundancy in my family? There it is

That is heartbreaking I'm so sorry. Hopefully it doesn't come to pass.

Sad about Vodafone too, despite the tax fuckery which has more to do with government incompetence, they are an iconic British success story. Still hold the record for the No.1 and No.3 M&A deals in history (USD200bn purchase of Mannesmann and USD130bn sale of 45% Verizon).

 

[DasPenguin]

This seem pretty weak. Too many people is awfully abstract and in any case is entirety captures by your subsequent point: too many people is only a problem if it causes not enough housing and public service pressure and so on.

As for those points, they would appear to be far more down to local government issues. Pressure on public services exists due to a lack of investment (and something else for the NHS), housing is similar and often due to nimbyism also. More pertinently, population growth is an absolute necessity due to the demographic time bomb approaching us and every other western country, the one that has already enveloped Japan.

I don't doubt many people will already have pointed out to you that the economic disaster of a leave vote destroys any possible gains in job numbers or wages and then some. Not to mention that unemployment was already very low at around 5%. Or that a huge amount of this is due to globalization beyond even the scope of the EU.

I also enjoyed how you wrote etc etc, to give the illusion that there are many more valid reasons when I'm pretty sure that's all you can think of.

Shh. Don't bring logic and solid reasoning into this conversation! Don't you know how social media and the Internet work? You say something you believe in, offer zero proof why your statement is correct, and then keep repeating the same nonsense over and over and over again until the other side gives up.

 

[Nafai1123]

So you guys are going all out on the racism card,your family's should be ashamed of you, it a sad thing but it's true to say that there are racist on both sides of the card.
The EU was a sinking ship,you can research that yourselves

Who is this referring to exactly?

If the EU is a sinking ship you just traded if for a sinking canoe with no paddles. Congrats.

 

[Shadax the wizard]

UKIP's campaign has been a long one

Oh man, I see..

 

[Sickboy007]

Actually, my grandfather is Italian so in theory it's possible. However, I only have a British passport as my dad never declared it.

No idea on what the process would be to amend this. I know very little about my grandfather, and do not have any documentation. Either way, I can imagine it being costly.

Not necessarily. If you know where he lived, you could ask the local authorities to look for a certificate of naturalization. The fee for the recognition of citizenship shouldn't be more than 300-500 euro.

Italy's laws follow ijure sanguinis, so even if you're 3rd or 4th generation it's automatic once you demonstrate one of your ancestors was Italian.

 

[maquiladora]

I hope the EU recognise the 48% of us who wish to stay and offer us a chance . Just a way out .

I don't see what the EU can do for those that wished to stay. If Westminster invokes Article 50 then the EU must respect that....

 

[Chinese Cartoons]

So you guys are going all out on the racism card,your family's should be ashamed of you, it a sad thing but it's true to say that there are racist on both sides of the card.
The EU was a sinking ship,you can research that yourselves

Hello Little Englander.

 

[Hazzuh]

Wish I went to the London Stays rally now, looked like a good laugh.

 

[figadapaura]

Calling people racist for pointing out racism. Valid response.

 

[Bobnob]

Hello Little Englander.

Lol at your 48% Did you even vote?

 

[Chinner]

Calling people racist for pointing out racism. Valid response.

I had sex with a black lass once, I ain't racist.

 

[GamerMax73]

I don't understand the sudden(?) uprising of violence and hostility against immigrants after the referendum? Did people actually think that Brexit was short for immigrants will be forced to exit Britain or what? These stories popping up are just sickening.

It's been bubbling under the surface for decades. The result kinda pulled back the curtain that was covering it over and gave a distasteful message that its okay to think and act in that minor in this country because, hey-look more than 50% agree with you. Not true, but it is what a disturbing minority gained from the Brexit vote.

 

[nature boy]

So Farage wants to invoke article 50 immediately, says the EU needs the UK more than the opposite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByYgeAAAG7c