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[farnham]

"We" had the same discussion for the 360 and PS2 back in the days that the launch games doesn't look much much better.

The difference between PS4 and the next Xbox to the Wii U is that they will get the next-gen treatment from the third parties. Wii U doesn't even get ports of all current gen titles.

360, PS3 launch games did look much better than PS2 games though. The jump was not as big as psone to ps2 or xbox anymore. This gen it seems to be even smaller.

It's not that people will care about the amount or type/speed of the RAM but people will care about the results. Maybe we should be running Windows 7/8 with 8 MB of EDO RAM because RAM isn't really that important?

Yes but will those results be ready for christmas. The ps4 only games that looked remotely ready at this points were killzone shadow fall, knack and drive club. None of those games looked like they were a substantial leap from ps3

I think some people are forgetting how everyone was complaining how awful PS3's first year was.

Yup. Question is can sony at its current state afford a PS3 situation in year 1 and 2? Getting money from the finance market is much harder for them now compared to back in 2006-2007

 

[TedNindo]

I think some people are forgetting how everyone was complaining how awful PS3's first year was.

 

[onipex]

I think many people assume that not having that wii sports killer app out of the gate was a blunder. While its not a good thing it may not be a blunder either. Saying that its a blunder implies that nintendo made the business decsion without knowledge that it would or could be a problem.

I highly doubt that...They knew they wouldnt have that killer app off the bat. They knew they would have sneak peak type apps but no true big gun. This begs the question, then why release knowing your going to be short on software and lacking a killer app?

I think there is an element of business strategy going on that most of us are unaware of. I do think part of it is to beta some of the wiiu on a large scale. I also think wanting time for the HD transition was a consideration. But I also think there are some lean and agile business philosphies at play in regards to value positioning, etc.

Given some time, perhaps e3, we will begin to see the software the wiiu was meant to showcase...

I think they thought Nintendoland and NSMB U would be enought to sell it along with the brand. It seems like they made the same bet with the 3DS launch to me.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I think some people are forgetting how everyone was complaining how awful PS3's first year was.

Can you elaborate on where you're going with this, because I can see it going in one of several directions.

 

[H_Prestige]

I think some people are forgetting how everyone was complaining how awful PS3's first year was.

Yeah, I also remember how ps3 had zero games coming out for it.

Oh wait, that never happened.

 

[Screamapillar]

Higher specs have never, ever had anything to do with which console is more or less popular. Ever.

3DS v Vita?

N64 v PSOne?

PS2 vs GCN/Xbox?

DS v PSP?

Game Gear v Game Boy?

Wii v 360/PS3?

The consoles with less horsepower tend to always be the market leader.

 

[NotLiquid]

Can you elaborate on where you're going with this, because I can see it going in one of several directions.

I assume in the sense that due to PS3 underperforming that badly at launch and failing to capture the American audience as much as 360 did, a lot of games originally exclusive got ported, and it was also easier to just make games for 360 which made it pretty much the main lead development platform that gen. PS3 ended up being less of a compelling product for a good number of years.

Granted, PS4 doesn't have the problem of development hurdles due to Cell being no more so I don't think it getting games will be an issue. Unless it goes of the ways of the Wii U and sells abysmally again, which would be a problem.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

For 3rd parties, the west is done. Nintendo can still probably secure some downports from the usual suspects (Activision, Ubisoft, 2K, EA, WB, Disney, etc) but even that's going to depend on reversing current sales trends and ramping up that userbase asap.

I still tend to think there's a glimmer of hope for Japan, but it's going to take some heavy lifting on Nintendo's part. More moneyhats, more IP crossovers, more co-development, and again, Nintendo needs to get that userbase going in the right direction. In Japan they at least have some clout in the industry though thanks to having the one really viable platform (3DS) and a closer history with their partners (Capcom, SE, Index, Namco, Level 5, Tecmo, etc). It's not a hopeless situation like the west.

Weirdly the one bright spot for Wii U seems to be indies on the eShop, both due to Nintendo's new competitively attractive terms and surprisingly good sales of the launch window efforts. This was pretty much the last area I'd have expected Nintendo to find success in but here it is. I'd really like to see them double down here, and also maybe make some effort into courting the overlooked Japanese indie scene.

 

[Septimius]

Wow so you know how the consoles will sell up front because...?

Refuting points that are backed up by arguments in this manner is no way to keep any discussion alive. Why don't you argue back if you don't agree? Just don't point to it and say "this is silly".



I think Nintendo are in a worse shape. I've heard arguments that "copying is the most sincere form of flattery" and such snide remarks regarding the PS4 reveal, but crap like that aside, PS4 is in a hugely advantageous position with PS4 over the PS3 + Move since:

1) Nintendo has not captured the market share
2) PS4 is not tacking on something new. This is in from the beginning.

When they market this along side gaikai and such, the whole thing will be better packaged, more powerful and is in a great position to get better traction and capture dat Nintedo market

 

[PdotMichael]

Higher specs have never, ever had anything to do with which console is more or less popular. Ever.

3DS v Vita?

N64 v PSOne?

PS2 vs GCN/Xbox?

DS v PSP?

Game Gear v Game Boy?

Wii v 360/PS3?

The consoles with less horsepower tend to always be the market leader.

The only connection I see is that the first released console who could etablish a big userbase become the marketleader.

360, PS3 launch games did look much better than PS2 games though. The jump was not as big as psone to ps2 or xbox anymore. This gen it seems to be even smaller.

Just the jump from 720p/sub hd to 1080p (Killzone) is a pretty big step. And still ~10 months to go with 4gb more ram.

 

[AzaK]

yeah, I agree the UI is very easy to understand, and having it be completely touch, and or buttons, makes it very quick to navigate. The easiest to use and navigate out of all current gen imo.

However, some things could be much quicker. The speed of accessing stuff for me has been about on par or maybe slightly faster than the other current gen consoles. Which is a tad disappointing for new tech.
Except the settings menu, that thing takes forever.
But I was really hoping Nintendo was going to do what Sony is planning, especially with their goal of having the gamepad be the center of the living room and something you always want to use, like TVii, etc. And it s low power draw to boot. But it takes to long to boot up and there is no sleep mode like every other electronic device today. A huge missed opportunity if you ask me.

Hopefully some updates can alleviate at least some of this. But I am not holding my breath.

And we still need to see how PS4s promises pan out.

Yeah the sleep mode omission was perplexing to mee too. Especially seeing as they have a hardon for low power use. I was hoping they would basically actually realise Wii Connect 24 this time.

 

[deviljho]

I don't think some people are thinking like major publishers here. These aren't casual observers like you or I. These are major, multibillion dollar organizations, and decisions on which platform to invest in often decide the fate of hundreds of millions of dollars at a time.

These aren't the sorts of decisions you make by seeing a press event and thinking, "Wow! That sizzle reel was awesome!" Further, as already stated, all of the major publishers (and their subsidiary developers) almost certainly had a pretty strong grasp on the PS4 before this.

This event was not intended to change Publisher's minds.

Of course this is true. But we're left at what we had before the PS4 reveal - how can we begin to quantify the impact of Nintendo's relative 3rd party support.

It's true that 3rd part publishers will be more forgiving of potential slowly growth in the PS4 install base than the Wii U's. PS4/720 combined install base and potential downports also factors.

Everyone is left to their own judgment on how much to discount the affect of the actual rate of adoption.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Are people serious when they say the Wii U isn't competing with the PS3/PS4? That is just ludicrous. Nintendo made the Wii U because the Wii couldn't handle multiplats with the 360/PS3 like CoD. They said one of their primary objectives was to capture that high spending audience. Half of there launch lineup is ports from the other systems. How in the hell are they not competing? This about as bad of damage control as people trying to defend Vita saying it's not competing with the 3DS.

If the WiiU is not competing with the PS4 then the WiiU is not allowed to be considered "next gen".

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Higher specs have never, ever had anything to do with which console is more or less popular. Ever.

3DS v Vita?

N64 v PSOne?

PS2 vs GCN/Xbox?

DS v PSP?

Game Gear v Game Boy?

Wii v 360/PS3?

The consoles with less horsepower tend to always be the market leader.

It's that simple. You'd think hardware manufacturers would have caught on by now that less powerful hardware is the key, and each iteration would seek to race for the weakest specs.

That bit of sarcasm aside, I do understand that it behooves us not to treat specs as end-all-be-all indicators of success. However, the above historical perspective sheds little light on the current situation. Unless one wants to make some bizarre argument about how it's floundering now because it's the best hardware on the market, but will take off once the new stuff comes out and it's the weakest next-gen platform.

 

[deviljho]

If the WiiU is not competing with the PS4 then the WiiU is not allowed to be considered "next gen".

Okay, fine. It's not next-gen. Satisfied? It's just a Mario box. Can you address the points made in the 1,400+ post thread with respect to the OP?

 

[Jaruru]

Higher specs have never, ever had anything to do with which console is more or less popular. Ever.

3DS v Vita?

N64 v PSOne?

PS2 vs GCN/Xbox?

DS v PSP?

Game Gear v Game Boy?

Wii v 360/PS3?

The consoles with less horsepower tend to always be the market leader.

Agree. Surprise most ppl are still saying, oh this looks amazing. Other consoles are crap and will not sell at all.

The only connection I see is that the first released console who could etablish a big userbase become the marketleader.



Just the jump from 720p/sub hd to 1080p (Killzone) is a pretty big step. And still ~10 months to go with 4gb more ram.

Dreamcasted???????

And killzone is 30fps

 

[PdotMichael]

Dreamcasted???????

And killzone is 30fps

Dramcast and userbase - huh?

And which Killzone was not 30fps?

 

[Jaruru]

It's that simple. You'd think hardware manufacturers would have caught on by now that less powerful hardware is the key, and each iteration would seek to race for the weakest specs.

That bit of sarcasm aside, I do understand that it behooves us not to treat specs as end-all-be-all indicators of success. However, the above historical perspective sheds little light on the current situation. Unless one wants to make some bizarre argument about how it's floundering now because it's the best hardware on the market, but will take off once the new stuff comes out and it's the weakest next-gen platform.

One can always argue that, when psp was announced? When Wii was announced? When vita was announced???

Not saying history must repeat, there are other factors affecting the sales. But these figures are not to be ignored.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

One can always argue that, when psp was announced? When Wii was announced? When vita was announced???

Not saying history must repeat, there are other factors affecting the sales. But these figures are not to be ignored.

And you think the common thread there is "consumers sure do like their weaker hardware," as opposed to numerous other factors at play that might be more important?

 

[Majmun]

Wow so you know how the consoles will sell up front because...?

Well, Nintendo doesn't have a WiiSport type of hype this time around. Don't expect the U to ever reach Wii's success, or come even near it.

Unlike Nintendo Wii, the Ps360 didn't became popular because of one or two hyped motion games, but thanks to a huge catalog of traditional games that will always appeal to gamers. And those games will also be available for their next console.

I personally think that the WiiU will perform the same as the N64 or Gamecube. And that's because of the lack of third parties, and the lack of motion control hype the Wii had. The gamepad isn't generating any interest.

Ps4 and the next Xbox will sell beter because of the support. That's basically it.

-Edit-

Higher specs have never, ever had anything to do with which console is more or less popular. Ever.

3DS v Vita?

N64 v PSOne?

PS2 vs GCN/Xbox?

DS v PSP?

Game Gear v Game Boy?

Wii v 360/PS3?

The consoles with less horsepower tend to always be the market leader.

The Dreamcast was the weakest console during the Dc/ps2/ngc/xbox era.

And the market leading console always got the most support. But that was different with the Wii.

Being released erlier or being the weakest console doesn't always have to mean something. There are a lot of different factors that that have to be taken into account, not just console power.

 

[farnham]

Refuting points that are backed up by arguments in this manner is no way to keep any discussion alive. Why don't you argue back if you don't agree? Just don't point to it and say "this is silly".



I think Nintendo are in a worse shape. I've heard arguments that "copying is the most sincere form of flattery" and such snide remarks regarding the PS4 reveal, but crap like that aside, PS4 is in a hugely advantageous position with PS4 over the PS3 + Move since:

1) Nintendo has not captured the market share
2) PS4 is not tacking on something new. This is in from the beginning.

When they market this along side gaikai and such, the whole thing will be better packaged, more powerful and is in a great position to get better traction and capture dat Nintedo market

We dont know anything about the initial performance of PS4 yet. WiiUs initial performance certainly was bad due to a high price and just a general lack of games. But will it be different for PS4? We dont know since we dont know the launch price and launch games. Also we will have to take into account that WiiU launched with its competing platforms being Wii, Ps3, 360. with Ps4 it will be wiiu, PS3, 360 and 720. It is way too early to say PS4 will reach a number x because Ps3 reached it.

 

[Kolgar]

Goodness, people, this isn't a zero-sum game.

The success or failure of PS4 does not directly correlate to the success or failure of WiiU.

In the same way that Ferarris and and Mini Coopers appeal to different sets of people, so too will PS4 and WiiU.

There's room for both provided the console market stays healthy and viable, which is a real question in this age of tablets.

My thinking is that the PS4 reveal is good for the industry as a whole in that it's telling the world that, hey, consoles are still around. New ones are coming. We live!

A rising tide raises all boats, and that's but one reason I see the PS4 announcement as good for WiiU.

 

[AZ Greg]

Firstly I think the state of gaming has changed. I think tablets and the long running generation have a lot to do with that but I don't think a new generation will change that. People just aren't willing to shell out a huge amount of money anymore on hardware when they have their phone able to provide entertainment. Yes it's a different type of entertainment: they're not perfect substitutes, but substitutes none the less.

What is your basis for this statement? Only one console has come out since last generation started and the smartphone/tablet boom happened and that is the WiiU. Not exactly comparable to traditional consoles.

Secondly, I'm not amongst those who think Killzone was umimpressive. It looks nice and certainly what I'd expect from this generational leap. That having been said I do think it's a smaller jump then last generation. It's not that people won't notice the difference, just that the difference isn't worth the additional $400+ purchase.

This is a valid point. Last generation made the leap to HD which helped make the leap feel more substantial. I think Sony/MS realize this which is why they're trying to compliment the graphical upgrades with other features. But I think some underestimate the appeal of the PS4/Durango being the only place to get the latest iteration of "X" popular game series.

Thirdly, costs of the HD generation were already high enough for all but the big players in the industry. The cost of making new games is growing faster than the available revenue. The new generation is just going to be far too expensive for many smaller, but popular devs to work with. If their games remain on last-gen consoles, so will the fan base.

Agreed. I think changes need to happen in the development world but that isn't on Sony/MS.

Forthly. Maybe I'm remembering past generations wrongly but even with the few announcements we have at the moment this really seems we'll have the most cross-gen games ever. What does that mean for initial sales of the console? They're unlikely to take off if they only have a slightly shinier version of the same games.

Just my opinion, but I think cross-gen games are a good thing. Usually there are only 2-3 real must own unique games at launch. If you can supplement that with 2-3 good cross-gen games like Watch Dogs then it makes the launch appear better than it is and the new console a better value, at least to me.

 

[spannicus]

I personally remember the Wii U having an amazing launch with stores running out of preorders everywhere. Now we are in the slump that every new console experiences due to not enough software being available to the consumer. The PS4 and the XBOX 720 will have there slump as well when the flash of launch titles fade. There will be multiple Sony is doomed thread and Microsoft is Doomed threads, as I see it history seems to repeat itself especially with this game shit. I can put money on it that these next gen consoles will be called BOMBA by someone. They all will experience the same shit WII U, VITA, PS4, XBOX 720 will all have ooh its doomed articles and low sales at one point in their existance. I personally think the people to react to the drastic situation accordingly will be Nintendo over the others as they did with the 3Ds and maybe soon with the Wii U because Sony are stubborn and Microsoft is just eh. Taking bets on when we see the first thread on Neogaf asking is the PS4 doomed? or PS4 buyers remorse thread because this is Neogaf im sure its gonna happened its happened to previous consoles.

 

[Margalis]

If the WiiU is not competing with the PS4 then the WiiU is not allowed to be considered "next gen".

If the PS4 is not better than current PCs it's not allowed to be considered "next gen."

Lol. Who cares what is "allowed"? Especially by some random dude on Gaf.

 

[fredrancour]

I think some people are forgetting how everyone was complaining how awful PS3's first year was.

I will remember it as long as internet memes are a thing because a couple of the interpretations of "ps3 has no games" were hilarious even if they became untrue very quickly.

 

[TheNatural]

I don't know there's any more cross gen titles than before, they're just more prominent now because current consoles aren't completely dead and in their budget phase as of yet so they're still actually actively developing games for the system.

In past they would just release a game when it came out, then up port the previous game a few months later to the new console. You had a lot of "Ultimate" versions of recently released fighting games come at launch, sports games obviously, games like Tony Hawk and Rayman which seemed to release for everything and so on.

Previous gens you had a pretty clear stopping point and developers moved on. Legacy systems released games at a trickle or not at all and the console was a very low price.

There's no stopping point, big games are still coming now for 360 and PS3, so they're putting over what they're working on as opposed to what they last released and updated it.

 

[spannicus]

I'm gonna laugh my ass off when I start to see all of the articles from N4G wind up here like they always do saying how the next gen consoles are doomed then the console loyalist will stand up fighting each other because their console of choice is being called a Bomba lmao. then I will sit back with my popcorn and watch the stupidity.

 

[Shiggy]

I personally remember the Wii U having an amazing launch with stores running out of preorders everywhere.

I don't remember that because it didn't happen.

 

[spannicus]

I don't remember that because it didn't happen.

Shiggy lol you so funny lol Here in America it did. excuse the everywhere I cant speak for other regions.http://www.8bitfix.com/content/wii-u-pre-orders-running-out-5760/

 

[H_Prestige]

Higher specs have never, ever had anything to do with which console is more or less popular. Ever.

3DS v Vita?

N64 v PSOne?

PS2 vs GCN/Xbox?

DS v PSP?

Game Gear v Game Boy?

Wii v 360/PS3?

The consoles with less horsepower tend to always be the market leader.

Uh, every single PS console was far more powerful than anything that came out before, and the graphics were a huge selling point in their favor.

Actually the only exception was the ps3, which was no stronger than a system that came out a year earlier. And it ended up the worst selling PS home console ever. What does that say?

 

[Shiggy]

Shiggy lol you so funny lol Here in America it did. excuse the everywhere I cant speak for other regions.http://www.8bitfix.com/content/wii-u-pre-orders-running-out-5760/

Oh I see because it definitely wasn't sold out in Europe - more because of NoE's complete incapability to get their marketing done than anything else

 

[Zaventem]

Uh, every single PS console was far more powerful than anything that came out before, and the graphics were a huge selling point in their favor.

Actually the only exception was the ps3, which was no stronger than a system that came out a year earlier. And it ended up the worst selling PS home console ever. What does that say?

The PS2 was not more powerful than the Xbox.The dominance of a shit ton of 3rd party games being exclusive to the platform helped it in it's favor.

 

[spock]

Well, Nintendo doesn't have a WiiSport type of hype this time around. Don't expect the U to ever reach Wii's success, or come even near it.

Unlike Nintendo Wii, the Ps360 didn't became popular because of one or two hyped motion games, but thanks to a huge catalog of traditional games that will always appeal to gamers. And those games will also be available for their next console.

I personally think that the WiiU will perform the same as the N64 or Gamecube. And that's because of the lack of third parties, and the lack of motion control hype the Wii had. The gamepad isn't generating any interest.

Ps4 and the next Xbox will sell beter because of the support. That's basically it.

-Edit-



The Dreamcast was the weakest console during the Dc/ps2/ngc/xbox era.

And the market leading console always got the most support. But that was different with the Wii.

Being released erlier or being the weakest console doesn't always have to mean something. There are a lot of different factors that that have to be taken into account, not just console power.

Becuase nintendo does not have a wii sports type killer app released at the moment does not mean they dont or wont have one. Its very clear nintendo designed the wiiu with the intention to create another type of killer app like wii sports, wii fit, brain age, etc.

They dont need a wii sports like success off the bat. There are various levels of mainstream success. Brain age success, nintendogs success, wiifit success, etc... They have hit different gold viens in the broader market. Each vien a bit different then the other but they all are outside the traditional gaming crowd.

The entire system design is meant to give their developers the ability to create those type of fresh and new experinces that have the potential to catch on wtih different potential segments of the larger consumer base. The user experince potential provided by the wiiU gives Nintendo a much better chance of creating that killer mass market app on the wiiu in the next 3 years or so then Sony has on their console.

Does that mean nintendo will? No gurantees of course but they have a strong enough track record that I would take that bet.

Look at the games for each console as a potentially lottery ticket when it comes to appealing to the broader demographic. Who has more options and ways to do so?

The way nintendo steers and focuses their gaming innovation via tactile user experince not only creates more chances of hitting it big with the broader market, its cheaper for them to create each game/ticket.

 

[Manmademan]

The PS2 was not more powerful than the Xbox.The dominance of a shit ton of 3rd party games being exclusive to the platform helped it in it's favor.

how is your reading comprehension? did the xbox come out before the ps2?

 

[H_Prestige]

Becuase nintendo does not have a wii sports type killer app released at the moment does not mean they dont or wont have one. Its very clear nintendo designed the wii with the intention to create another type of killer app like wii sports, wii fit, brain age, etc.

The entire system design is meant to give their developers the ability to create those type of fresh and new experinces that have the potential to catch on wtih mass consumers. Nintendo has a much better chance of creating that killer mass market app on the wiiu in the next 3 years or so then Sony has on their console.

Look at the games for each console as a potentially lottery ticket when it comes to appealing to the broader demographic. Who has more options and ways to do so?

The way nintendo steers and focuses their gaming innovation via tactile user experince not only creates more chances of hitting it big with the broader market, its cheaper for them to create each game/ticket.

They wanted that killer app to be nintendoland. It didn't work.

Nintendo doesn't have a magic ability to create a wii sports whenever they want. They were in a very unusual situation with the wii. It was like winning the lottery. Just because you won it once, doesn't mean you can win it whenever you want. It's all luck.

 

[phosphor112]

Higher specs have never, ever had anything to do with which console is more or less popular. Ever.

3DS v Vita?

Came out earlier and is cheaper.

N64 v PSOne?

PS1 was cheaper and came out earlier. It was also a better platform for devs.

PS2 vs GCN/Xbox?

PS2 came out TWO years before GCN/Xbox.

DS v PSP?

Hit global market first at lower price point

Game Gear v Game Boy?

Gamegear was stupid expensive and ate through batteries. Also, IIRC Gameboy was out years before Game Gear. Not going to bother looking that one up though.

Wii v 360/PS3?

PS3 was 600. 360 was 400(?). Wii was 300 and differentiated itself differently than the other two.

The consoles with less horsepower tend to always be the market leader.

Also, there is a lot of shit slinging in this thread... didn't think this type of... activity was really allowed. Especially the drive by "LOL THINKING THAT'S NOT CGI." =S.. they played it live on Jimmy Falon's show.

 

[spock]

They wanted that killer app to be nintendoland. It didn't work.

Nintendo doesn't have a magic ability to create a wii sports whenever they want. They were in a very unusual situation with the wii. It was like winning the lottery. Just because you won it once, doesn't mean you can win it whenever you want. It's all luck.

Um did you ignore the part of my post talking about how they dont need another wii sports per se. They also had mainstream hits with brain age, wii fit, etc. And what kind of logic is it that because nintendoland did not meet wiisports level of interest that is indictive of them not creating something that does in the future? Nintendo has track record with hitting lottery tickets from the wii/ds era. That ability is one of the driving forces of their current market and design philosphy. Hencd the wii,ds, 3ds, wiiu.

The console just came out. Its a canvas for their type innovation. Theyre just getting started. I'd bet they release quite a few games trying to hit those nerves. The cost and speed required to create those types of games is much lower then traditional AAA titles. But what those games do require is innovative thinking and gameplay on the user experince side. Thats not something that takes time or money, but takes imagination and talent...

 

[Kolgar]

Why do so many people not get that Nintendo and Sony's consoles cater to different tastes?

Seems to me Sony has a reputation of appealing to core gamers while Nintendo has its own core of fans plus, I would argue, a broader, more general appeal among families and casual types.

It's less about specifications than it is about experiences.

 

[Vane_MagicCity]

Why do so many people not get that Nintendo and Sony's consoles cater to different tastes?

Probably because those of us here on GAF likely have Sony AND Nintendo consoles and handhelds.

 

[Majmun]

Um did you ignore the part of my post talking about how they dont need wii fit per se. They also had mainstream hits with brain age, wii fit, etc.

Didn't the new Brain Age tank in Japan?

Brain Age and Nintendogs were THE games that made the original DS a breakout success. Nintendogs 3DS underperformed too.

Games like Brain Age and WiiFit etc have to be released at the right place at the right time. Otherwise they'll underperform. I personally don't see WiiFit U doing much, to be honest. The day and age of fitness games and expensive peripherals being hot seems to be over.

 

[Somnid]

phosphor112 please check your facts.

 

[TheNatural]

Shiggy lol you so funny lol Here in America it did. excuse the everywhere I cant speak for other regions.http://www.8bitfix.com/content/wii-u-pre-orders-running-out-5760/

Uh no it didn't. I work in retail, I was there for launch day. Like 5 people came in at the start to get a Wii U, it sold out day one, and then when it came back in stock a week later it was available for anyone who wanted one (which wasn't many as I could count how many I sold on my hand during the holiday.

But it's a good story/excuse, I give you that. Maybe you can sell movie rights.

 

[popeutlal]

Higher specs have never, ever had anything to do with which console is more or less popular. Ever.

3DS v Vita?

N64 v PSOne?

PS2 vs GCN/Xbox?

DS v PSP?

Game Gear v Game Boy?

Wii v 360/PS3?

The consoles with less horsepower tend to always be the market leader.

Or you can say the most popular consoles always have been the ones with most games...so Wii U will never be the market leader.

 

[Margalis]

Games like Brain Age and WiiFit etc have to be released at the right place at the right time. Otherwise they'll underperform. I personally don't see WiiFit U doing much, to be honest. The day and age of fitness games and expensive peripherals being hot seems to be over.

Fitness games are still doing great. Zumba Fitness was #1 or something on some PAL charts last month.

That's not to say that WiiFitU will do great, but fitness games are definitely not dead.

The consoles with less horsepower tend to always be the market leader.

Also, there is a lot of shit slinging in this thread... didn't think this type of... activity was really allowed.

What in the world are you talking about dude?

The guy said that consoles with less horsepower tend to lead. That is a reasonable statement. It's certainly is not "shit slinging". You think rational arguments shouldn't be allowed on GAF just because they don't support the console of your choice?

 

[metalslimer]

Breaking it down to least powerful console always wins is complete revisionist history. Also it's funny that the Dreamcast gets left out of the PS2/Xbox/GC gen to try and make that point stick.

 

[spock]

Didn't the new Brain Age tank in Japan?

Brain Age and Nintendogs were THE games that made the original DS a breakout success. Nintendogs 3DS underperformed too.

Games like Brain Age and WiiFit etc have to be released at the right place at the right time. Otherwise they'll underperform. I personally don't see WiiFit U doing much, to be honest. The day and age of fitness games and expensive peripherals being hot seems to be over.

Well, my point isnt that they purely bank on the next wiifit, but that they are going to create games following the same philosphy but this time around using the tablet and other wiiu design principles as the primary driver of user experince.

 

[Kolgar]

Probably because those of us here on GAF likely have Sony AND Nintendo consoles and handhelds.

So it should be apparent that when you've got the itch to play the latest big-budget dudebro action game, you reach for the DualShock. If family-friendly, primary-colored fun is your game, Nintendo's got something for ya.

Even in multi-console households (and believe me, I have more than I know what to do with), different consoles satisfy different needs.

 

[metalslimer]

The console just came out. Its a canvas for their type innovation. Theyre just getting started. I'd bet they release quite a few games trying to hit those nerves. The cost and speed required to create those types of games is much lower then traditional AAA titles. But what those games do require is innovative thinking and gameplay on the user experince side. Thats not something that takes time or money, but takes imagination and talent...

Looking at Nintendo's casual teams latest output maybe outside of Nintendoland, they seem pretty creatively bankrupt. From the teams that made so many new IP that pushed the DS and Wii they have been able to create sequel after sequel after sequel

Nintendogs+Cats
Style Saavy 2
Brain Age
Wii Fit
Wii Sports
Wii Party

The expanded market bought into the Wii for fresh ideas with the revolutionary controller. Now it seems like Nintendo are expecting people to drop 400 dollars to play the latest updates on those games when its been shown that they are usually content with what they have.

Why do so many people not get that Nintendo and Sony's consoles cater to different tastes?

Well I guess Nintendo is lying because they said they designed the Wii U to appeal to everyone in contrast to the wii

 

[spannicus]

Uh no it didn't. I work in retail, I was there for launch day. Like 5 people came in at the start to get a Wii U, it sold out day one, and then when it came back in stock a week later it was available for anyone who wanted one (which wasn't many as I could count how many I sold on my hand during the holiday.

But it's a good story/excuse, I give you that. Maybe you can sell movie rights.

another funny guy lol look on the net you could barely preorder the damn thing anywhere for atleast a good week. I dont care what part of retail u work in I know because I have a deluxe that i preordered as soon as they allowed. I constantly followed the wii u thread here on neogaf go check it out for yourself if you dont comprehend. Maybe you could sell more retail.
there was even a thread on gaf letting people know when preorders were gonna be available and at what stores. Why would i make this up its here in its own thread. I never said it sold out i said you could barely preorder the thing and if you could you must have lived in a small ass town where the population was 20http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/09/30/nintendo-already-has-a-hit-on-its-hands-with-sold-out-wii-u-consoles-nationwide/