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The Wii U pad might be the best controller ever
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Beats me.
Then maybe don't filter everything I say through this fanboy lens.
Bjoern the Smexy
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I, for one, am used to the Wii U scheme because (get this) I actually had the Classic Controller for the Wii, where the button layout was the same as on the Wii U, and A was the "Accept" button in every game I played, while B was the "Cancel" button respectively.
Also, I was using "right" in a sense like "true" or "correct". There is no ultimately correct or best or whatever button layout.
In Japan, the right button (O on the PS controller, A on any Nintendo controller except N64 and GC) are the "Accept" buttons, wheras the bottom button (X on the PS controller, B on any Nintendo controller except N64 and GC) is the "Cancel" button. Imagine their surprise when Microsoft switched it around with the original Xbox and continued the trend with the 360.
Western markets switched that around for some unknown reason and Microsoft actually adapted their layout to that situation.
Just wanted to let you know that.
Japanese PS3 + UK games = fun meta game called 'which button is OK and which button is BACK?'
some games force the UK style, some follow the convention for the console
Is that the way you took it?
That wasn't my point, my point is that among the gaming population in the West people don't view the 360 pas as any kind of standard.
And in Europe, I'd say that's a fair assomption to make.
I'm not the one arguing that Western gamers have trouble recognising a layout that's been in use in pretty much most of the gaming devices they've used.
Going from FFIII to FFVII was all kind of awkward because of this >.<
Yes, that's what happened. Now, armed with that context, you might re-read my posts and try to understand what I've been saying all along.
Poor Dreamcast. Forgotten already.
ThankeeSai
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Pretty much agree with the OP. Fantastic controller, very comfortable to hold, nice and responsive most of the time
Lack of analogue triggers is a bit of a downer, but won't bother me too much - Not really into racers, but as SmokyDave says, open world games with vehicles, may be a bit of a concern.
The screen responsiveness can sometimes be an issue - playing ZombiU for example, when I try and drag items around the screen, every now and then, I'll have to push down that little bit harder in order for it to work properly. Certainly not a major issue, but an issue none the less.
Off TV play is amazing and this is how I've played Nano Assault Neo most of the time. That said, I played on TV last night and only just realised that if you have satellites around your ship, you can customise their positions, mid game just by touching the screen. Awesome stuff.
Anyway, looking forward to see how future games utilise it
Lack of analogue triggers is a bit of a downer, but won't bother me too much - Not really into racers, but as SmokyDave says, open world games with vehicles, may be a bit of a concern.
The screen responsiveness can sometimes be an issue - playing ZombiU for example, when I try and drag items around the screen, every now and then, I'll have to push down that little bit harder in order for it to work properly. Certainly not a major issue, but an issue none the less.
Off TV play is amazing and this is how I've played Nano Assault Neo most of the time. That said, I played on TV last night and only just realised that if you have satellites around your ship, you can customise their positions, mid game just by touching the screen. Awesome stuff.
Anyway, looking forward to see how future games utilise it
Bjoern the Smexy
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Never had a Dreamcast and played one only about 3 or 4 times in my life. At least I'm aware about what I missed out on.
I know what you're trying to say, but still, there's no use to whine about it, you'll just have to get used to it.
I will now stop participating in this derailing discussion about what button layout does make coffee and which one makes tea.
Both are tasty and have their pros and cons, but you have to get used to either first, before you can start to appreciate it.
That's my final word in this.
Haunted
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I can see how that'd be annoying.
WiiU is all about that colour coding.
Dreamcast: Y is green, B is blue, X is yellow, A is red.
Diddy Kong
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It really is amazing.. I love it !!
GANGSTERKILLER
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Best controller ever that doesn't have analog triggers? I think the 360 controller is the best controller at this time.
Never.
Never.
phosphor112
Banned
I can basically agree with the second half of your post. I love the touch screen/features, but the "controller" aspect of it, I simply can't stand.
I don't get why the button labels matter so much. The bottom button is still going to be the primary action button in games where X or A would be the primary action button on the PS3 or 360. That's how it's been on the SNES, the DS, the 3DS, and now the Wii U. Why does it matter if you're using B and Y as the default Jump and Attack buttons instead of A and X or X and Square?
Literally the only place the button labels matter is in menu navigation, which took me about ten minutes to adjust to even though I'm used to the way PS3 and 360 do it.
Literally the only place the button labels matter is in menu navigation, which took me about ten minutes to adjust to even though I'm used to the way PS3 and 360 do it.
Mitsurux
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The Wii U game pad is a very good controller, feels good, light but does not feel cheap.. etc the screen..etc.
But what really stands out to me is (and the op mentioned this as well):
D-pad
Only the best console d-pad since, like... ever? No annoying missing center section like the PS controllers. No abject unusable shittiness like the 360 or Gamecube pads. It's a lot like the Wii Classic Controller d-pad, but a bit smaller and a lot better.
The Dpad is really good.... responsive, feels good, great size etc. TTT2 shows how good it is.... but isn't it actually bigger the the CC's? (not home to do a quick compare)
But what really stands out to me is (and the op mentioned this as well):
D-pad
Only the best console d-pad since, like... ever? No annoying missing center section like the PS controllers. No abject unusable shittiness like the 360 or Gamecube pads. It's a lot like the Wii Classic Controller d-pad, but a bit smaller and a lot better.
The Dpad is really good.... responsive, feels good, great size etc. TTT2 shows how good it is.... but isn't it actually bigger the the CC's? (not home to do a quick compare)
phosphor112
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A used to be the confirm button back in the day, with B as cancel. For most nintendo games, A still is the confirm button, but a lot of other games has B as the action/jump button, because that is how every other platform uses the controls... bottom button is chosen for the task.
So, you have Nintendo games with A as select.
You have the highly popularized 360 controller that has A at the bottom, B on the right (also cancel).
You also have the PS devices that use bottom button (X) as confirm as well.
In the end, it's just confusion that Nintendo's stuff is different.
Now I haven't tried the WiiPad yet, but the Game Cube controller pips the 360 at the post. It just fits so snug.
matrix-cat
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That battery life is basically a system killer for me; I pretty regularly play games for longer than 3-4 hours a sitting. Of course, nothing on the WiiU interests me at the moment, but I'd be much more interested in a cheaper console that just came with a Pro Controller once games like Bayonetta 2 start dropping.
I know it'll never happen, let me dream
This makes me want someone to make a game where you have to drive while texting. On the TV you'll be navigating a city at high speed a la Crazy Taxi, and on the gamepad you'll be having a text conversation with an AI character. Cops are chasing you, and if you crash, you die horribly. I imagine this would be great fun and a magnet for lawsuits.
You can play while charging the gamepad from the wall, right?
Personally I'd probably have less problems with that compared to the PS3 where you had to put the console on to charge the gamepad and you could only sit within 3 feet. Didn't have to charge often, but the charging itself was a pain.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Almost everything about the Wii U pad surprised me. The screen is a bit washed out looking, but outside of that everything else about the controller exceeded my expectations. This is especially true coming off the 3DS, which I feel has the worst build quality and design of any recent Nintendo product. The face buttons are squishy, the pad is only okay, and the shoulder buttons are too small. That and the device isn't particularly comfortable to hold, and is goofy/cheap feeling and looking. The GamePad on the other hand feels really nice and solid. It's surprisingly comfortable to hold, has a good weight that feels heavy enough to sink into my hands but not so heavy it's a chore to hold, and all the buttons are glorious to press. The D-Pad is excellent, and the analogue sticks are possibly Nintendo's best. I also quite like the position of the shoulder buttons. It feels like a really sturdy piece of equipment with great tactile feedback from all the functions, and even the washed out screen looks less glitzy than most resistive touch devices.
However, the absence of analogue triggers as a bafflingly glaring omission and I don't know why some people cannot see this. Yes, when triggers are bad, they're bad. Like on the PS3 pad. I fucking hate those triggers. But when they're good, they're excellent. See: 360 pad. Those triggers are comfortable as hell, and feel amazing to squeeze. They've just the right pressure sensitivity and depth.
Fact of the matter is some games, and some gameplay mechanics, are enhanced by analogue triggers. Others have already stated them. Developers use them, because they've been a norm for this generation, and will be into the next. It's always better for a controller to maximise functionality, not just to ease in control of mechanics for ports of games built on other systems, but also to give developers the freedom to use explore those mechanics with that controller function.
Not having analogue triggers means any vehicle control in, say, a sandbox game, or racing game, will be objectively poorer on the Wii U than any other platform. That's just how it is. Less control, when greater control is intended = bad.
Had the Wii U GamePad analogue triggers it would be borderline perfect for me. Alas, Nintendo had to drop the ball on one thing.
However, the absence of analogue triggers as a bafflingly glaring omission and I don't know why some people cannot see this. Yes, when triggers are bad, they're bad. Like on the PS3 pad. I fucking hate those triggers. But when they're good, they're excellent. See: 360 pad. Those triggers are comfortable as hell, and feel amazing to squeeze. They've just the right pressure sensitivity and depth.
Fact of the matter is some games, and some gameplay mechanics, are enhanced by analogue triggers. Others have already stated them. Developers use them, because they've been a norm for this generation, and will be into the next. It's always better for a controller to maximise functionality, not just to ease in control of mechanics for ports of games built on other systems, but also to give developers the freedom to use explore those mechanics with that controller function.
Not having analogue triggers means any vehicle control in, say, a sandbox game, or racing game, will be objectively poorer on the Wii U than any other platform. That's just how it is. Less control, when greater control is intended = bad.
Had the Wii U GamePad analogue triggers it would be borderline perfect for me. Alas, Nintendo had to drop the ball on one thing.
This is basically every GTA game if you try to drive while reading subtitles (or using the cellphone in IV).
flyinpiranha
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If It's not an enjoyable interface, I don't bother adapting. That said the Wii U controller was surprising comfortable for me when I tried it for a bit at a demo station. No analog is a big letdown but for the games I will eventually play when I buy it next year ... it won't matter much.
JustAnotherOtaku
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It's fine generally (I played Mario to completion with it and had no issues) but doesn't feel like it'd handle quarter circle forward/backward style inputs too well.
I agree though, and I actually really am enjoying the Wii U Pro. It's surprisingly more comfortable than an Xbox 360 controller, and wider set for my big ass hands. My only complaints is the re-mapping of the ABXY buttons, still can't get used to it (although I understand why they did it).
I haven't had a chance to try it out yet, but I've always saw the button/analog stick setup kind of opposite to the traditional setup.
For anyone that has the Wii-U have you guys had any problems with the button alignment when you play a FPS, or any other games? Is it better/worse?
Wii-U gamepad specifically*
For anyone that has the Wii-U have you guys had any problems with the button alignment when you play a FPS, or any other games? Is it better/worse?
Wii-U gamepad specifically*
m.i.s.
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The Capcom team that did Steel Battalion is MIA, Nude Maker who also contributed to SB is a 10 person studio, and the lead artist of it all is working with Born Ready on Strike Suit Zero.
From Software making a Chromehounds successor, however...
I hate it in Call of Duty and Zombi U both. However, that's primarily because I game on PC with M/K, and my most used console last gen was Wii (pointer controls).
I've adapted somewhat, but eh.
Bjoern the Smexy
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Coz noone has a Vita, amirite?
Well that's not a controller, it's a handheld, and they didn't really forget about it as much as never knew what it was in the first place. I, of course, own and love my Vita and am playing through Persona 4 Golden as we speak.
Shining Sunshine
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And the distance between the shoulder buttons on the 360 and PS3 controller are practically nil which allows for instantaneous switching. The Wii U controller is garbage for games that demand switching between them. So bad for CoD, FIFA, and Batman.
Cpt Conifer
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When I read the OP, I assumed he was talking about the WiiU Pro pad, not the default controller.
I appreciate what he's saying, but have my doubts due to the layout. Maybe the size could work to its advantage, though; I can imagine it being better to have your hands more spread out. The only question on my mind at the moment is if I should ever get the Pro Pad and retire my Horipad EX2... my intuition says "no" at the moment.
I appreciate what he's saying, but have my doubts due to the layout. Maybe the size could work to its advantage, though; I can imagine it being better to have your hands more spread out. The only question on my mind at the moment is if I should ever get the Pro Pad and retire my Horipad EX2... my intuition says "no" at the moment.
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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It's nice and I enjoy it, but analog above the buttons is wrong. I'll stick with ps3 and xbox controllers
the sticks first feel really loose until you realise that they can be used just as subtle as the gamecube sticks. and you then realise how liberating it feels compared to the stiffness of a duel stick. changing directions is so much faster now.
another thing that nintendo have done with the buttons is enclose them with braille, so that they give a small rattle feedback. which helps you know where the buttons are without looking at the game pad - genius !
There isn't one.
And that's ignoring the multitude of other reasons that a wheel isn't a good enough solution.
Keru_Shiri
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Does the Classic Pro control use analog triggers?
What about people like me who enjoy racing sims, but are not "hardcore" enough about them to want to spend money on an additional controller specifically for them?