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[EatChildren]

I've got a (boring and possibly stupid) question:

If Skyrim is running on the 360 is the equivalent of low/medium/whatever settings of the PC version, what equivalent settings level would the bump in Wii U specs (based on the most likely scenario - bit of a bump, but not as big a bump as next gen Xbox/PS4) enable it to run at?
Presumably not full settings, 1080p, 60FPS, but would there be a significant improvement?

Impossible to say. Engine/game performance is hugely dependant on game content, assets, and most importantly engine optimisation. The latter will dictate the performance of every single game on the Wii U, as it does for every other platform. What works well on one platform might not on another simply because of the different hardware architecture. Skyrim is an excellent example, actually, when you look at how shit the PS3 port was.

So, in the specific case of Skyrim, it would depend on how the engine was optimised for the Wii U. It could maybe look a bit better, and/or run a bit better. Or it might look and run worse.

 

[GSR]

Teasing Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney localizations in the Wii U thread? ShockingAlberto, you're a sick sick man.

Spoiler

Or the impossible is coming...

 

[TunaLover]

I have a bad feeling about this E3, onlybad Wii U news appearing lately; Molynux not impressed with Wii U, UE4 is all but not confirmed, and gamers only interested in PS4/720.

 

[shadyspace]

Breathe, Tuna.

 

[Donnie]

So, this question might have been asked and answered, but I don't remember seeing it, so here goes.

IdeaMan said that developers have been pushing Xbox360++ graphics on the Wii U, and this running 720p@30fps+ on main screen (how much + though?), and secondary view on the controller with Xbox360++ graphics running 480p@30fps+ (how much + though?). Now IF the secondary view would ONLY be a inventory-screen, instead of a Xbox360++ view in 480p@30fps+.

How much better would developers be able to push it on the main screen with Xbox360++ graphics, 720p@60fps, 1080p@30fps?

No way of knowing, theoretically you should be able to nearly double geometry/lighting performance and textures for the scene displayed on the TV. IF the tablet screen did have the same graphics fidelity as the main screen in Ideaman's example. Of course pixel fillrate wouldn't increase much.

 

[Penguin]

Teasing Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney localizations in the Wii U thread? ShockingAlberto, you're a sick sick man.

Spoiler

Or the impossible is coming...

Well, he was building on a tease from someone else on a 3DS game.

 

[Twenty7KVN]

I have a bad feeling about this E3, onlybad Wii U news appearing lately; Molynux not impressed with Wii U, UE4 is all but not confirmed, and gamers only interested in PS4/720.

Molyneux sounds like he he didn't really sit down with the kit to see what it can do.I wouldn't worry to much about that most devs are going to keep using UE3 for awhile anyway.Polls are useless look at that Japanese poll about the Vita and 3ds,most of them said they prefer the vita look how that's turning out.

 

[HylianTom]

I have a bad feeling about this E3, onlybad Wii U news appearing lately; Molynux not impressed with Wii U, UE4 is all but not confirmed, and gamers only interested in PS4/720.

Almost seems like this wave of negativity is coordinated, doesn't it? Like a pile-on. But I'm being overly paranoid. In the event that Nintendo does well, these little quibbles will seem petty.

One other good side-effect? Expectations are low, haha..

 

[GameplayWhore]

Just read the bullying thread, what was so stupid about the OP that prompted EvilLore to do that? Just out of curiosity?

Did the OP have a history of dumb posts/threads?

The OP pretty much insulted a boatload of people who have been already exposed to various kinds of torment.

Are we still in the subject of green & white?

Just wanted to throw something different.

Is that one of those Chinpokomons? I got Shoe.

at least somebody is taking the WiiU seriously *sigh*

Gamestop likes money. Why do you think the rest of the industry hates them so much?



Aargh, you guys, stop adding news bits. I'm trying to compile a list to post here before going semi-away for the weekend (I'll only have the cell phone to read and post, but I'll also pretty much be drunk in a hotel with geek girls the whole time), but I keep having to revise!

(catching up…)

 

[wsippel]

Impossible to say. Engine/game performance is hugely dependant on game content, assets, and most importantly engine optimisation. The latter will dictate the performance of every single game on the Wii U, as it does for every other platform. What works well on one platform might not on another simply because of the different hardware architecture. Skyrim is an excellent example, actually, when you look at how shit the PS3 port was.

So, in the specific case of Skyrim, it would depend on how the engine was optimised for the Wii U. It could maybe look a bit better, and/or run a bit better. Or it might look and run worse.

Games relying heavily on streaming could certainly perform a lot better on Wii U - more RAM, faster drive, file IO (and possibly decompression) handled by a coprocessor, maybe even caching. With IO and audio provided by dedicated logic, you'd also have much more CPU power left for AI and physics.

 

[axisofweevils]

AWOOGA! AWOOGA!

Wii U baiting thread warning. Tread carefully. Some of the comments there are......

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=474624

 

[Sadist]

Wait, people think Molyneux not being impressed by something is a bad thing? Honestly it's the best thing to happen. Molyneux is like opposite day in human form.

 

[DragonKnight]

I have a bad feeling about this E3, onlybad Wii U news appearing lately; Molynux not impressed with Wii U, UE4 is all but not confirmed, and gamers only interested in PS4/720.

Either way the ball is in nintendo's court. They have a lot to prove this E3 and if they want to win back "core" gamers, E3 is the place to do it. It can all really go either way. The problem with some of the more optimistic posters on this board is that they are saying at the end of the day, nintendo fans will love the platform. Problem with that is only the most die hard ninty fans supported the cube and that came out to be around 25million. This E3 can't only be for the nintendo fans. It has to be for the dudebros, the core, the nintendo fans, the skeptics, and the casuals. Nintendo's only option here is to wow everyone.

 

[axisofweevils]

Wait, people think Molyneux not being impressed by something is a bad thing? Honestly it's the best thing to happen. Molyneux is like opposite day in human form.

Exactly. "Guy that hasn't made a good game in 10 years is unimpressed."

 

[Conor 419]

Fable 2 was pretty damn good, man.

 

[BurntPork]

Impossible to say. Engine/game performance is hugely dependant on game content, assets, and most importantly engine optimisation. The latter will dictate the performance of every single game on the Wii U, as it does for every other platform. What works well on one platform might not on another simply because of the different hardware architecture. Skyrim is an excellent example, actually, when you look at how shit the PS3 port was.

So, in the specific case of Skyrim, it would depend on how the engine was optimised for the Wii U. It could maybe look a bit better, and/or run a bit better. Or it might look and run worse.

But would have to extremely poorly optimized to perform worse on a system as powerful a- oh wait this is Bethesda we're talking about.

 

[jump_button]

AWOOGA! AWOOGA!

Wii U baiting thread warning. Tread carefully. Some of the comments there are......

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=474624

yeah bite your tongue guys it close to E3 the mod always more willing to ban more easly

 

[DragonKnight]

I keep asking but are we planning a skype group or anything like that for this thing?

 

[axisofweevils]

I have a bad feeling about this E3, onlybad Wii U news appearing lately; Molynux not impressed with Wii U, UE4 is all but not confirmed, and gamers only interested in PS4/720.

Don't worry. It's all part of the Nintendo cycle. A large part of the media want Nintendo to fail. It was the same with the 3DS.

AAgh! It gives headaches. It only has one stick. People under 7 can't use it. Low battery life. It rapes your eyelids. The hinge is faulty. It makes you sick.

 

[GhostTrick]

So, what happened recently?

jumpman saw "green and wihite" - Wii U
RMC teases a great 3rd party 3DS announcement
ShockingAlberto says that the announcement could be the localization of something represented by the gif, and basically no one can guess what it...OMYGOD AA V.S. LAYTON!!!!1111!!!!

And that's all, right?

Who is RMC ? Have you got a link to his post about great 3rd party 3DS announcement ?

 

[Error Macro]

Spoiler

BELIEVE!

I shed a tear.

[edit] OMG, Sunshine is almost ten years old.

I just shed more tears.

 

[GameplayWhore]

So, this question might have been asked and answered, but I don't remember seeing it, so here goes.

IdeaMan said that developers have been pushing Xbox360++ graphics on the Wii U, and this running 720p@30fps+ on main screen (how much + though?), and secondary view on the controller with Xbox360++ graphics running 480p@30fps+ (how much + though?). Now IF the secondary view would ONLY be a inventory-screen, instead of a Xbox360++ view in 480p@30fps+.

How much better would developers be able to push it on the main screen with Xbox360++ graphics, 720p@60fps, 1080p@30fps?

Being able to produce 360 quality graphics on both screens simultaneously would imply that it's at least ~44% faster. So it really depends on the ++. The implication is "noticeably better on TV screen and also noticeably better on subscreen". However, if we go for a gpu that roughly works out to 2.5x the performance* (which is well within reason), then with the subscreen's output gimped, the system would be able to do what the 360 does in 720p but in 1080p with a slight amount of increased bells and whistles. Granted… dat X factor.

IdeaMan came up with a rather clever thought where developers can use the camera to track the face of the viewer and dynamically decrease the rendering power to either the TV screen or the subscreen such that whatever the viewer is looking at automatically is given the most gpu power. Assuming the tracking can be made reliable, this is interesting for single-player (and foreveralone.jpeg multiplayer**) use but not as great for situations where there are more than one people watching the game at once.


* 2.5x the fill rate, 2.5x the GFLOPS, et al

** I think this is how I'm going to refer to "online multi" in the future as.

yeah bite your tongue guys it close to E3 the mod always more willing to ban more easly

No way, I have a section in my thread OP for fallen heroes. Go hog-wild, folks, and you'll be rewarded with a name drop!

 

[Sadist]

Who is RMC ? Have you got a link to his post about great 3rd party 3DS announcement ?

RawMeat Cowboy, the guy who runs that Nintendo site where you GO to for Nintendo news.

 

[Rösti]

I keep asking but are we planning a skype group or anything like that for this thing?

I have thought about a Skype meeting myself, it could be rather interesting though probably quite chaotic. The Steam Community NeoGAF group should anyway provide a good platform for chat: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/neogaf

 

[axisofweevils]

Who is RMC ? Have you got a link to his post about great 3rd party 3DS announcement ?

It was from his twitter feed.

His username is @[The site you go to for Nintendo news]tweet

 

[GameplayWhore]

I keep asking but are we planning a skype group or anything like that for this thing?

Skype is owned by the enemy. A true Ninthing wouldn't consider it.

Spoiler

I personally prefer the message board format, as it leaves a trace

 

[HylianTom]

RawMeat Cowboy, the guy who runs that Nintendo site where you GO to for Nintendo news.

We can say "Go Nintendo." We just have to be very judicious when using it as a news/rumor source, per EatChildren's excellent explanation of the situation. It's a technical ban, but not absolute.. more like an "extreme caution" flag.

I have to again offer my complements and thanks on EC's handling of the matter. It was a sensitive issue for quite a while..

And RMC's site is absolutely superlative for catching any and all Nintendo-related news. *salute*

 

[DragonKnight]

Skype is owned by the enemy. A true Ninthing wouldn't consider it.

Spoiler

I personally prefer the message board format, as it leaves a trace

Posts get lost rather quickly on a message board during something as frantic as E3. Oh well I suppose.

 

[BurntPork]

Guys, GFLOPs is an arbitrary number.

5870: 2.7TFLOPs
7850: 1.7TFLOPs

Guess which one is more powerful.

 

[Sadist]

We can say "Go Nintendo." We just have to be very judicious when using it as a news/rumor source, per EatChildren's excellent explanation of the situation. It's a technical ban, but not absolute.. more like an "extreme caution" flag.

I have to again offer my complements on EC's handling of the matter. It was a sensitive issue for quite a while..

Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Cool. Luckily I don't believe everything so I'll just retrace everything from the links to the story and make my own judgement in case of "shady" rumours.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Posts get lost rather quickly on a message board during something as frantic as E3. Oh well I suppose.

I was kidding around. Although it's not my cup of tea, skype is something being considered by some here. Also probably mentioned were options like Tinychat and Google+ huddles.

 

[Shadow Hog]

Don't worry. It's all part of the Nintendo cycle. A large part of the media want Nintendo to fail. It was the same with the 3DS.

AAgh! It gives headaches. It only has one stick. People under 7 can't use it. Low battery life. It rapes your eyelids. The hinge is faulty. It makes you sick.

To be fair, the bolded are legitimate qualms that even I have. (Well, the headaches stopped after a few days, but still.)

Guys, GFLOPs is an arbitrary number.

5870: 2.7TFLOPs
7850: 1.7TFLOPs

Guess which one is more powerful.

The 5870, clearly!

Spoiler

I actually have that in my system, so just trying to rejustify my 2010 $400 purchase <_<

 

[HylianTom]

I shed a tear.

[edit] OMG, Sunshine is almost ten years old.

I just shed more tears.

Such a great, challenging game. I think completing it 100% has to be among my greatest of gaming achievements. Hell, I wonder if my aging twitch reflexes would still enable me to do it again..

 

[chris3116]

Wait, people think Molyneux not being impressed by something is a bad thing? Honestly it's the best thing to happen. Molyneux is like opposite day in human form.

The only game made by Molynieux that I was impressed was Black & white (the original not B&W2). Fable 1 was cool but not that great IMO. After that, he jumped the shark for his games.

If I remember correctly, I think he's making iOS titles with his new studo 22Cans.

 

[Fantastical]

Bah. Sorry. Off topic.

 

[DragonKnight]

I don't think anyone is worried about the 3DS anymore. That thing will do fine. Still need so many games for that thing.

 

[HylianTom]

The only game made by Molynieux that I was impressed was Black & white (the original not B&W2). Fable 1 was cool but not that great IMO. After that, he jumped the shark for his games.

If I remember correctly, I think he's making iOS titles with his new studo 22Cans.

For some strange reason, I just got this image of Molyneux in my head, promoting himself again, where there's a Jay Shermanesque cardboard cutout of him in a game store saying, "Buy my game! Buy my game! Buy my game!" over and over again.. haha..

 

[Shadow Hog]

I think RMC and ShockingAlberto are talking about two different things unless both AAI2 and AAxLayton are coming. Either way I'm excited.

Frankly, it's Ace Attorney. Unless the game turns out to be a steaming pile (which hasn't happened yet...), I'll be thrilled.

The only game made by Molynieux that I was impressed was Black & white (the original not B&W2). Fable 1 was cool but not that great IMO. After that, he jumped the shark for his games.

I remember being fairly impressed by Magic Carpet and Hi-Octane, actually. Not sure why I liked the latter, but I did, so it kind of holds some nostalgic factor for me.

 

[JohnTinker]

I just read the ShockingAlberto thing. RMC says "It's a franchise I love." in his tweet, and then we get a GIF from ShockingAlberto from Ace Attorney, then he seems to hint that the game he is talking about is actually AA vs. Layton. But RMC said "It's a franchise I love" and Layton and AA are two franchises coming together, so the tweet doesn't really make that much sense if he's talking about AAxLayton. (I know for a fact RMC loves both Layton and AA)

I think RMC and ShockingAlberto are talking about two different things unless both AAI2 and AAxLayton are coming. Either way I'm excited.

This is cool and all, but is this a Wii U game or 3DS?

 

[DragonKnight]

Black and White was fantastic and it's a bummer that's it not up on Steam

 

[BurntPork]

I don't think anyone is worried about the 3DS anymore. That thing will do fine. Still need so many games for that thing.

It's probably going to do sub-100k in the June or July NPD...

 

[Portugeezer]

More Nintendo HD:

Always nice to look at

 

[qq more]

This is cool and all, but is this a Wii U game or 3DS?

Ace Attorney honestly fits way better as a handheld title. I bet it'll be on the 3DS.

For some reason, I kind of doubt we'd see an AA game announced at E3. Never seemed like the type of game that gets announced at E3s, just like Pokemon. I hope I'm wrong though

 

[brandonh83]

I have a bad feeling about this E3, onlybad Wii U news appearing lately; Molynux not impressed with Wii U, UE4 is all but not confirmed, and gamers only interested in PS4/720.

The reason why I like Nintendo's brand and software has absolutely no relationship with anything you just listed there. Molyneux not impressed? Molyneux has yet to make one game that I like and I really have no reason to value his opinion, at least on a high enough level to be concerned about a game system just because he isn't "impressed." UE4? Doubt it would be used for Nintendo games I actually care about (Mario, Metroid, Zelda, etc.) and the ones it would be used for will likely be multiplatform. Finally, I generally disagree with most "gamers" on just about everything.

That's not to say that any point you made there doesn't have any validity nor does my opinion/feelings reflect everyone's or should reflect everyone's. But for me, again, none of those things really spell any level of "doom" to me. Is it worrisome that IGN's polls indicate that not a lot of people are interested in WiiU? I don't know. IGN is a popular site and a lot of people visit it, but just because someone clicks on PS4 or 720 instead of WiiU on their poll isn't etching anything in stone. Someone may feel that way right now but after E3 or other announcements it could easily change.

It would be good for WiiU to have games that cater to the general shooter/"graphics is the only thing that matters" audience for a variety of reasons, but the reasons that I anticipate Nintendo products are simply because of their exclusive franchises that are bar none my favorite franchises in gaming.

 

[Portugeezer]

It's probably going to do sub-100k in the June or July NPD...

Nintendo still has their Pokemon card to play.

 

[qq more]

Nintendo still has their Pokemon card to play.

We're not seeing a major Pokemon game in June/July. B/W2 comes out on fall IIRC. With that said, New Super Mario Bros. 2 is definitely gonna make the 3DS a big hit in August.

 

[kitchenmotors]

I keep asking but are we planning a skype group or anything like that for this thing?

We always have the GAF Tinychat (http://www.tinychat.com/tinygaffers) open for people for these events. We did E3 last year for the conferences and it was pretty packed, around 60-80 people. There is text and video chat. We're also a community, so we're there every day of the week. It's a lot of fun.

 

[BurntPork]

Nintendo still has their Pokemon card to play.

Nothing for 3DS has been announced yet...

 

[walking fiend]

It's probably going to do sub-100k in the June or July NPD...

Retail market in US is currently shirt tbh; best game selling 200k?

More Nintendo HD:


Always nice to look at

WW HD shots never cease to amaze me; technique and art direction of the game is the definition of not getting old

 

[EloquentM]

Has anyone checked up on that middleware developer for any updates to their software on wii tu?