The Wii U Speculation Thread V: The Final Frontier

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The next Xbox will be the only one to succeed because it's the most powerful one.
I dunno. I wonder if their audience will get angry at them for focusing too much on non-gaming points of interest.

Then, we'll see fewer AAA efforts on other consoles being financed by crap games sales on the Wii U.

It's gonna be very interesting to witness. :)
 
It also has some sort of "gold" theme. I'm not really impressed by it yet. And somehow, NSMB:Mii manages to look even less inspired.
Bland art aside, I'm kinda interested to see what kind of power-ups are in the game. I'm kinda hungry for the next Mario game. (sadly, I'm a ho for Mario games..)
 
I dunno. I wonder if their audience will get angry at them for focusing too much on non-gaming points of interest.

Then, we'll see fewer AAA efforts on other consoles being financed by crap games sales on the Wii U.

It's gonna be very interesting to witness. :)

It's always possible that rumour from a while back is true they're trying to squeeze the market by introducing both a high end system and a low end system. That way, they can win overall in numbers but also be seen as the provider for the poly counters.
 
It's always possible that rumour from a while back is true they're trying to squeeze the market by introducing both a high end system and a low end system. That way, they can win overall in numbers but also be seen as the provider for the poly counters.
Nothing would surprise me at this point. Bit I do wonder if the hardores will whine about MS spending too much time on those non-gaming items. They seem to be very sensitive to that kind of thing. Reminds me of Veruca Salt from Willy Wonka..
 
Nothing would surprise me at this point. Bit I do wonder if the hardores will whine about MS spending too much time on those non-gaming items. They seem to be very sensitive to that kind of thing. Reminds me of Veruca Salt from Willy Wonka..

I suppose they won't whine if they keep getting the quality third party games.
 
Nothing would surprise me at this point. Bit I do wonder if the hardores will whine about MS spending too much time on those non-gaming items. They seem to be very sensitive to that kind of thing. Reminds me of Veruca Salt from Willy Wonka..

I'm thinking that in such a case, the idea would be that a total segregation would make it look like the "official gaming" division is being treated as its own thing, with its own proper respect, and the Kinect division is just the out of work Zune guys or something.



Yeah. He also constantly brings up his opinion that Wii U will be on of the worst flops in gaming history.

Hm, I don't recall him being quite that excessive in opinion when he visits here. Does he moderate himself when around Nintendo fans?
 
Would they subsidize the low end system then?

Perhaps the low end system would be, I dunno, a 360 with improved Kinect, and they could give it a really low list price by doing a cellphone-like subscription plan where you pay monthly for services for a set period of time.



edit: The side bonus is that the 360 would presumably continue selling if they did this, and they would end up rather easily outselling the Wii for this gen.
 
If Waluigi doesn't get his own series, he should at least appear as a surprise villain in Luigi's Mansion 2. Please, Nintendo.

That would be cool. Since you mention Luigi's Mansion, I really liked them launching the GC with a game like that, I would really love another Luigi's Mansion type of game at launch, it always seems better to introduce a new possible franchise at the start of a gen. Basically any Nintendo character getting their own game at the start of a generation would be awesome.
 
why do people love him?
The true question is... why not?

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I think out of all the mysteries being discussed in these threads, the biggest and perhaps most important one is what the next attempt at a WiiSports-type of juggernaut will be from Nintendo. Iwata mentioned it ever so briefly during the investor's briefing, but it very well could be something that spurs on crazy 6+ hour long lines at E3 this year and gets the media buzzing in ways it hasn't since 2006. Nintendo has had a very long time to work on and perfect whatever this title ends up being, and even if it isn't something we think we want now, it could be something we'll end up wanting after we see/hear about it. Or it could totally suck and so forget I said anything.
Oh yeah, I'm fascinated to see what they've cooked up. It needs to be something with instant appeal to just about everyone, and it needs to use the tablet functionality to achieve an experience we've never played anything like before. It's a lot easier to think up something fitting this description with a small, motion-sensing, remote control shaped input device than it is with a large tablet with traditional game controls on the side. Nintendo will have to show some real outside-the-box thinking if a casual sensation comparable to Wii Sports really is part of their strategy.
Not sure why you're so confident. I could come up with at least 5 reasons why NSMB will be shown at E3 for Wii U.

1) Nintendo normally turns tech demos into real games. (Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Music, Steel Diver, etc)

2) New Super Mario Bros Wii is one of the best selling games for Wii. It's outsold every 3D Mario game.

3) It's a game that is faster to develop just in time for Wii U's launch than 3D Mario.

4) That's way too much effort put into a tech demo for it not to become a real game.

5) It's the perfect game to bridge gap between casuals and hardcore gamers.
But on the other hand, we have
1) New Super Mario Bros. 2 is out in August and it's crazy to release two NSMB games within 3-4 months of each other, especially if you want the second to majorly drive system adoption.
The problem is it looked like there was no effort put into it. It's NSMB with a Mii in it. Looks worse than NSMB2, which is already treading the line of being too familiar.
That there was no effort put into the demo is what convinces me that it's planned to be a real game. I mean, what was it demonstrating? Certainly not the power of the system.
Perhaps it's not a launch title, though. At E3 20006 Nintendo showed off tech demos that saw their final incarnations in Wii Music and Wii Sports Resorts minigames.
The more I think about it, the more I think it makes sense to hold on to NSMB for Wii U. The launch is going to in all likelihood tailored more towards the core. NSMB is a great bomb to drop for the casual at a time when system sales could potentially slow...which is not launch. I would think 3D Mario would be more likely for launch (but I doubt it will be anywhere near ready ).
By the way, any word about Good-Feel?

First was Wario. Then Kirby. What 2D platform will be next? Time for some HD Yoshi love? :P
There were rumours coming from Japan late last year that they were working on Yoshi's Island. If true, I hope it's HD and not for 3DS.
I dunno. I wonder if their audience will get angry at them for focusing too much on non-gaming points of interest.
I'm not sure if Microsoft realize that Xbox has a real branding problem if they really want it to be a true widespread mainstream device. They're going to have to spend a hell of a lot on marketing to undo the perception of Xbox as a games console first and foremost. Right now people view it as something to play games with and watch Netflix on the side, not as a true multimedia convergence device. This puts them at risk of damage to their perception among their dedicated gamer base.
Apple are well known for the type of product category Microsoft want to position Xbox in. If they go all out with a TV based product (which rumours and Tim Cook's word suggest they will) I think they'll have a much easier time persuading people to buy it and making it go mainstream. Which would put Microsoft in a very...interesting position.
 
That would be cool. Since you mention Luigi's Mansion, I really liked them launching the GC with a game like that, I would really love another Luigi's Mansion type of game at launch, it always seems better to introduce a new possible franchise at the start of a gen. Basically any Nintendo character getting their own game at the start of a generation would be awesome.


Agreed. I want to see brand new franchises with existing Nintendo characters at launch.

I know a lot of people don't like Star Fox Adventures, but even though it didn't pan out the way everyone had hoped, I'm glad they took the risk of doing something new with an existing character instead of more rehashing.
 
why do people love him?

Hmm. Well, he doesn't get top billing, his personality seems a little less generic -- off the top of my head, he's a dopey pro wrestling fan who doesn't seem to have the magic "build an empire overnight" gene that all "villains" seem to have. In fact, he's not really villainous, just kind of mischievous, which can be more interesting to some people.

But I think it's really that, like his "good guy" counterpart, he's an underdog who's never been given a chance to really shine. People like rooting for that kind of character.
 
Hm, I don't recall him being quite that excessive in opinion when he visits here. Does he moderate himself when around Nintendo fans?

He hasn't said that in this thread, but he has in other threads. You can ask him if you don't believe me. He's extremely adamant that Wii U has zero hope of succeeding.

Making such a definitive call about a system before knowing mu h of anything about it is just stupid console war BS.
 
I'm not sure if Microsoft realize that Xbox has a real branding problem if they really want it to be a true widespread mainstream device. They're going to have to spend a hell of a lot on marketing to undo the perception of Xbox as a games console first and foremost. Right now people view it as something to play games with and watch Netflix on the side, not as a true multimedia convergence device. Apple are well known for the type of product category Microsoft want to position Xbox in. If they go all out with a TV based product (which rumours and Tim Cook's word suggest they will) I think they'll have a much easier time persuading people to buy it and making it go mainstream.
Yup.. most people I know see the Xbox name and think teenage boys, video games, shooty things, etc. If MS is going to aim at widening its appeal to non-gamers, women, etc, they have their work cut out for them.

It's going to be a balancing act for them. If they only go with one device, they run the risk of alienating their teenage and college-age male audience. I think, as GPW suggests, at going with two devices might be best.
 
Waluigi is the true breakout star of Mario Tennis 64.

I wonder what would happen if a real tennis player had an evil twin

A lot of people that don't like Waluigi probaly weren't big Mario Tennis 64 players. Mario Tennis is exactly what I think of when I see Waluigi, it was definetly what made him noticeable.
 
I think Baby Bowser should get his own game.

He goes on a quest to save Bowser, and different Koopa kids would help you in different ways.

You can breath fire to kill enemies like Spyro games, or hide in your shell to avoid attacks. You can hide in your shell and fling your shell at enemies.

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A lot of people that don't like Waluigi probaly weren't big Mario Tennis 64 players. Mario Tennis is exactly what I think of when I see Waluigi, it was definetly what made him noticeable.

Maybe you have a point with this reasoning, I've never played that game and I don't care about Waluigi. But it was cruel to remove him from Mario Kart.
 
I think Baby Bowser should get his own game.

He goes on a quest to save Bowser, and different Koopa kids would help you in different ways.

You can breath fire to kill enemies, or hide in your shell to avoid attacks. You can hide in your shell and fling your shell at enemies.
I think you're confusing Baby Bowser with Bowser Jr., but that would be a pretty good premise for a 2D platform.
 
A lot of people that don't like Waluigi probaly weren't big Mario Tennis 64 players. Mario Tennis is exactly what I think of when I see Waluigi, it was definetly what made him noticeable.
I loved Mario Tennis 64 but I still don't like Waluigi

Wario stopped being a jerk and is the head of a very successful videogame company. What has Waluigi done? :P
 
I think Baby Bowser should get his own game.

He goes on a quest to save Bowser, and different Koopa kids would help you in different ways.

You can breath fire to kill enemies like Spyro games, or hide in your shell to avoid attacks. You can hide in your shell and fling your shell at enemies.

Sma3_baby_bowser.jpg

I approve of this idea completely! If we got a Super Princess Peach game I don't see a reason Super Baby Bowser couldn't be made, and would let them experiment with some cool new features in a 2d platformer.

Gween donkey shall be hunted!
 
Yup.. most people I know see the Xbox name and think teenage boys, video games, shooty things, etc. If MS is going to aim at widening its appeal to non-gamers, women, etc, they have their work cut out for them.
Kinect was a big step in this direction.
It's going to be a balancing act for them. If they only go with one device, they run the risk of alienating their teenage and college-age male audience. I think, as GPW suggests, at going with two devices might be best.
Yes, but it also runs the risk of fracturing the Xbox userbase. How many people will go for the non-gamer focused machine because it makes more sense to them to pay a lower entry fee and get the media functionality and simple XBLA type games for their family? The buyer might potentially have become a customer for meatier games, or someone in their household could potentially develop an interest in them, but they won't have access with their current box. Game sales lost. How much will the gamer userbase that developers focus on when they target a console be effected by this two-device strategy?
 
I think you're confusing Baby Bowser with Bowser Jr., but that would be a pretty good premise for a 2D platform.

Yeah… you're bowser in a side scroller. If you press the R button, you toggle between Bowser and Baby Bowser, but in their own times. So, like, as Bowser, you come across a chasm with a busted bridge, so you hit the toggle and -- BAM -- it's twenty years later and the bridge is whole. As you run across it, you make it all the way across, but your bounding causes it to collapse. Right afterward, you come up against some impassable hedges, but luckily you acquired the "Weed Killer" in a previous level. You apply it, but you have to toggle again to Bowser's time, when the weeds have finally been killed.

It's really slow weed killer.
 
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