Remembrance
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You must use up all the blue outline blocks to cancel out yellow blocks. They're invalid on their own.
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Ok thanks, that was my understanding.
Edit - though I hit a puzzle that is trying to teach me something and I don't know what it's trying to teach me. It's
a 2col * 3row grid. Bottom left has a two block high piece, above it is a blue outline and above that is another blue outline. If you draw a line that groups these three blocks vertically it is valid. I'm feeling a bit slow here but I just don't get how that is valid if you have to cancel out yellow blocks with blue blocks.
damn if it did not get me hyped though.
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endgame spoilers:
Thank you for not answering P4r Sc0re's post. That's one way to see that movie, hahaha. And don't answer this too.
Remembrance
Member
That is the most important puzzle to understanding how these work.
Yes, as long as these blocks are together any line will work.
To understand why, think about
what you are actually left with after the yellow blocks are cancelled out.
After the
yellow blocks are cancelled you would be left with nothing.
blue blocks completely cancelled a yellow square.
Completely stumped by the next one though. I think I'm going to bed.
hydrophilic attack
Member
I fucking did it. Postgame:
Took around six hours in total to beat it. That's probably slower than for most people, but I'm just really bad at
Now I'm hoping to bed with a Witness-induced headache for the second time this weekend
E: Looking at
again
Completed the challenge. This was like the third time I got all the way to the pillars. Got incredibly lucky all the way. Got semi-hard puzzles in the second section (the one with one maze, one star puzzle, one symmetry and one shape puzzle, then got really lucky with the colour panels. Then one that looked easy turned out to be easy. And the triangle puzzles were relatively easy as well, with relatively few symbols. I had very little time left for the final pillars but they were really easy as well. Got the hexagon one really easily. The second one was a bit harder and I had almost no time left. I wasn't confident that I had solved it but had no time to double-check. Turned out I was right.
Took around six hours in total to beat it. That's probably slower than for most people, but I'm just really bad at
doing things quickly. It's not really that I get stressed out, but I just prefer to do things slowly when I can.
Now I'm hoping to bed with a Witness-induced headache for the second time this weekend
E: Looking at
the pillars
the hexagon one was actually pretty difficult. I must have simply gotten lucky and chanced upon a good start. The black white square one on the other hand though looks really really easy. I didn't realize while under stress, but the one I got was actually really really easy.
It seems the challenge basically only comes down to luck in the end. I'm not sure how I feel about that
It seems the challenge basically only comes down to luck in the end. I'm not sure how I feel about that
It comes down to efficient execution with some uncertainty along the way so you can't plan or pre-solve anything. I enjoyed it.
So I don't really get the + puzzles.
I got the one at the top of the mountain with the river. Then I thought I found some in the monastery, with the yellow moss through the windows to the left of the entrance... but it won't let me click on them. Am I missing something, or are these not actually puzzles?
Sometimes you need a different perspective with more well defined boundries. In this case, think inside the box.
The windows are key.
arts&crafts
Member
One of those I couldn't get to work either, but I think I am just stupid.
Remembrance
Member
Basically:
The starting point has to be a full circle with an overall consistent color and no missing pieces.
The line must be unbroken, must have an overall color consistent with the starting point, and must connect the starting point to a rounded endpoint.
The line must be unbroken, must have an overall color consistent with the starting point, and must connect the starting point to a rounded endpoint.
hydrophilic attack
Member
I enjoyed it too. But I can't deny that
luck was a very important component of the run where I got it.
I swear I had it lined up just like you're saying, but it still wouldn't click. Guess I'll try again.
ZeroMaverick
Member
Hey, I forgot (Tetris puzzles)
What do I do if the yellow squares are near the outside of the square they are in?
Like: [Yellow Square] a bunch of space [Yellow Square]
Like: [Yellow Square] a bunch of space [Yellow Square]
100% completion (all puzzles and audio logs)
now to wait 20 years for Jonathans' next game
no secret ending as far as I can see, I guess the game is meant to be interpreted rather than the player getting to know absolutely everything.
So here's my theory: I think the island is meant as a sort of "teaching tool" to help people understand how to reason about the universe and the soul from basic principles rather than by defining what they're not ("I'm an atheist because I have no evidence of God" instead of "I'm an atheist because the Bible is silly") built by The Developers Who Are Not Necessarily Blow & Co, who are seemingly frustrated with how little spiritual development atheism gets. The puzzles are designed to require science - you can see some complex puzzles early on, but it's not until later, once you've made more discoveries about the universe of the island, that you'll solve them. And when you solve them, it's because you've done science. And more importantly once you've solved them all you wake up and go bang on some cups with a spoon. It's a cool but sort of opaque theme, nonetheless I enjoyed it.
So here's my theory: I think the island is meant as a sort of "teaching tool" to help people understand how to reason about the universe and the soul from basic principles rather than by defining what they're not ("I'm an atheist because I have no evidence of God" instead of "I'm an atheist because the Bible is silly") built by The Developers Who Are Not Necessarily Blow & Co, who are seemingly frustrated with how little spiritual development atheism gets. The puzzles are designed to require science - you can see some complex puzzles early on, but it's not until later, once you've made more discoveries about the universe of the island, that you'll solve them. And when you solve them, it's because you've done science. And more importantly once you've solved them all you wake up and go bang on some cups with a spoon. It's a cool but sort of opaque theme, nonetheless I enjoyed it.
now to wait 20 years for Jonathans' next game
Remembrance
Member
Either put each piece where it is, or, if that's impossible, find a way to connect them all together so that you can put them in different places.
About 250 puzzles in or so. Favorite areas have been the greenhouse and swamp. Not really a fan of the sound puzzles, and I got through one of them just by guessing since the sounds made absolutely zero sense to me. Fantastic game, though. Who knew so much could be built around what's basically a single game mechanic?
Remembrance
Member
I think
the Einstein quote about "cosmic religious feeling" is possibly the most important thematic quote in the game, and sums up everything you theorized. For Einstein, the experience of religion came about as a result of scientific inquiry. But Einstein also saw that it would be difficult to communicate such an experience between people.
To that end, the island was created to help people achieve Einstein's "cosmic religious feeling" in an environment where there is nothing to do but experiment and inquire. The voiced quotes were recorded as a subliminal hint at what you're trying to accomplish.
To that end, the island was created to help people achieve Einstein's "cosmic religious feeling" in an environment where there is nothing to do but experiment and inquire. The voiced quotes were recorded as a subliminal hint at what you're trying to accomplish.
Finished.
I really have to respect the experience that has been crafted, even if it wasn't entirely enjoyable for me throughout.
A lot of puzzle game sensibilities got thrown out the window with this game. Certain 'tropes' used in other games that guide or educate the player do not apply here, so it was refreshing to approach this with a clear head. I went in completely spoiler-free, as I enjoyed Braid immensely.
A few questions:
- The black
- How many
- How many
- The random
- I assume the hidden
- Is there a single online reference for post-game? Any write-ups that offer a deeper interpretation or attempt to unravel the chronology of events on the island prior to the game?
I really have to respect the experience that has been crafted, even if it wasn't entirely enjoyable for me throughout.
A lot of puzzle game sensibilities got thrown out the window with this game. Certain 'tropes' used in other games that guide or educate the player do not apply here, so it was refreshing to approach this with a clear head. I went in completely spoiler-free, as I enjoyed Braid immensely.
A few questions:
- The black
hexagonal obelisks. I assume that each face on the obelisk is facing towards the direction of the environmental puzzle. Is that correct
obelisks are there?
lasers are there? I solved more than was required.
single-sheet puzzles hidden across the island - what are these? They are placed independent of main puzzles, don't seem to have any logic, and can be solved randomly with relative ease. What am I missing.
'hexagonal' puzzles are related to the theater under the windmill. How much post-game is there?
Remembrance
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Yes.
Six.
Eleven.
They are another set of tutorials, for something you have yet to find.
There is one of them that you can't reach yet.
Lots of write-ups (no one definitive version yet), but don't spoil yourself yet. There is more to learn in-game.
Excellent thanks! Not sure I understand this response though.
I've found maybe 2 or 3 of the hexagonal puzzles. Does the pattern of the solution unlock a different cinematic in the theater?
Remembrance
Member
The beach near the desert:
What the fuck at this puzzle: http://i.imgur.com/qu3nQGN.jpg
It doesn't seem possible. The two Tetris pieces don't have nearly enough squares to connect with each other, much less also connect with all of the empty squares, much less also subtract the required 4 squares. Plus you need to touch every intersection in the puzzle? What?
It doesn't seem possible. The two Tetris pieces don't have nearly enough squares to connect with each other, much less also connect with all of the empty squares, much less also subtract the required 4 squares. Plus you need to touch every intersection in the puzzle? What?
Remembrance
Member
Review how
subtraction
Specifically:
Subtraction does not require pieces to be in contact.
What?
The way I understand subtraction is that the subtraction block removes blocks from the area it's contained in. That's how I've done every subtraction problem in the game. Is that not correct? Are you telling me that subtraction blocks can subtract from areas that don't contain them?
Remembrance
Member
Sorry for the confusion.
They do have to be contained in the same area. I thought you were asking if the solid blocks and the subtraction blocks have to be touching, which is not required.
boredJonathan
Member
And that is the
complete. Been picking away at that for over a week. A few attempts here, another handful of attempts there. I'd practically given up on it, when after watching My Bloody Valentine with the fiance, I figured I'd give it another go since it was already queued up in suspended mode on the PS4 and I got it on my first try. I honestly could hardly believe it, as the last two
I got on my first try which seemed like 100% dumb luck.
Whatever. I'll take it.
Tempted to go back and wrap up the +1 puzzles, and the handful of proper puzzles I have to complete, but honestly - at this point - I'm happy to have finished all the major checkpoints. If the community discoverers something cool after this, I'm game for diving deeper - but for now I'm content with things.
Thoughts on the
for the
:
Challenge
pillar puzzles
Whatever. I'll take it.
Tempted to go back and wrap up the +1 puzzles, and the handful of proper puzzles I have to complete, but honestly - at this point - I'm happy to have finished all the major checkpoints. If the community discoverers something cool after this, I'm game for diving deeper - but for now I'm content with things.
Thoughts on the
reward
Challenge
Really interesting talk. Made a bunch of the other Windmill video's a bit more worth it. Definitely seems to point towards there being a larger 'meta' puzzle, but I'm thankfully of the mindset of waiting for someone else to tell me the solutions to it. Really loved this game a lot more than I initially thought I would, but I'm glad to have wrapped this up. After coming off a months/years long Destiny addiction, I'm happy to have reached a satisfying 'end' with the Witness. Back to the Witcher 3, till someone inevitably figures out the final puzzle of the game.
I'd say that's not strictly true, it's more
if you completely eliminate all the symbols in a region through subtraction, no Tetris symbol exists in that region and that rule is no longer tested
I'd phrase it that was because
I think it's better to continually reinforce within the rules that a symbol's position within a section is irrelevant
Edit: Ah, and further responses basically say the same!
Okay, I need indications for two puzzles that have my progress blocked.
I just finished the
area, so I thought I'd come back to the
to do a similar puzzle I remember was there. But I try to apply similar mechanics and I can't solve it.
I've tried:
Another area in which I've been completely stuck for days is the
Can anyone provide step by step clues on how to attack these two panels?
I just finished the
desert ruins
town
I've tried:
To see the path reflected by the sun, as in the desert ruins. I see a clear path, but I follow it and yet the puzzle doesn't get solved.
I've noticed that depending on the path I choose, sometimes I can't advance, so I've tried to apply symmetry concepts, and to avoid tree branches to no avail.
Don't know what else to try.
I've noticed that depending on the path I choose, sometimes I can't advance, so I've tried to apply symmetry concepts, and to avoid tree branches to no avail.
Don't know what else to try.
Another area in which I've been completely stuck for days is the
Chinese-looking castle with a red tree in the middle.
I've opened the blinds of each side, and solved the three panels at the right, the ones that you have to look through the blinds to see the path.
This activated a panel in the middle of the room that I have not the slightest clue how to solve. It's a 3x6 vertical panel with orange background and nothing else.
I've opened the blinds of each side, and solved the three panels at the right, the ones that you have to look through the blinds to see the path.
This activated a panel in the middle of the room that I have not the slightest clue how to solve. It's a 3x6 vertical panel with orange background and nothing else.
Think about what you learned from doing the right hand puzzles.
Big hint:
You needed to use perspective to overlay something over the puzzle to guide you.
igordennis
Member
I havent done the challenge yet but i would have thought doing it first try would be near impossible going by what i read here. This guys is an ICE team programmer at Naughty Dog though
https://twitter.com/drewthaler/status/699071784352493569
https://twitter.com/drewthaler/status/699071784352493569
toythatkills
Member
I havent done the challenge yet but i would have thought doing it first try would be near impossible going by what i read here. This guys is an ICE team programmer at Naughty Dog though
https://twitter.com/drewthaler/status/699071784352493569
I don't feel like that would be possible, unless you knew some details beforehand.
The killer would be the maze - if you know it corresponds to the table-puzzle, you're fine. If you don't though, you could be wandering around in there for ages looking for... well, you'd have no idea, would you? One panel? Two panels? Eight panels? The puzzles don't even show up that clearly if you're not walking past them quite slowly and looking side to side which'd take time.
I honestly don't see how it could be doable, without that small element of cheating.
I speel my dreenk
Member
There have been a few successful
Challenge videos
just stumble their way through the maze, having not discovered the correlation with the previous puzzle
toythatkills
Member
It's possible you're just not quite applying it correctly, because you're doing the right thing.
Remembrance
Member
It does not seem to be widespread considering that over 1000 people are in-game on Steam right now. Couldn't hurt to back up, though.
There's more than one puzzle in the town that fits your description, so it might help to tell us which one.
I would assume you're talking about the
tall orange rectangle one and not the blue one. In which case you need to apply hints from different angles to arrive at the full solution. Draw it out on paper if that helps you.
SmiteOfHand
Member
I went in blind and my first attempt I made it to
the last pillar.
Yep. You can see that especially when people take a break or come back the next day and do it in the first couple of tries.
hydrophilic attack
Member
My advice would be to come back later
Quick question on a puzzle I'm on in the Beach area. Please don't answer with spoilers/solutions:
Is the beach shape/subtraction puzzle supposed to be really hard? This is the puzzle right by the coast of the world, in the Egyptian-like area. Been stuck on this puzzle for a day and I'm one away from solving it. Thanks.
Could you link to an image? I'm not quite sure of what puzzle you're talking about. Anyway I don't remember a super hard puzzle there.
Remembrance
Member
That is one of the harder ones, yes.
You're probably overthinking it.