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The X-Files could have been good if it were a more light-hearted show

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Goodstyle

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3 seasons in, and the problem I'm having with the show is that it takes itself way, way, way too seriously at times. The best episodes I find are the ones that mix horror with comedy and honest self-reflection. By far (BY FAR) the best episodes of the series are "Humbug" (where they investigate a freak show) and this really amazing one I just watched "Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose". It's about a guy that can see future, but only when it comes to when someone is going to die, which is both incredibly sad and incredibly funny. It's basically everything I was hoping I'd get from watching the show and more.

50% of the episodes are cheesy and forgettable, 25% are god damn awful, 20% are pretty great, and another 5% are transcendent. These aren't great numbers IMO. If the show focused less on empty government conspiracies and more on poignant and funny little stories about oddities happening in places around the world it would be much more consistent.

The alien stuff is nonsense. Aliens aren't scary, the government hiding them isn't interesting, and the mere mention of them isn't as exciting as the show seems to think it is. You can also tell that the show has no god damn idea where they are going with it all with it's vague nonsense and who-gives-a-shit mystery mongering. Why should I care if the government is hiding the existence of extra-terrestrials from the people? What would we even do with that information? Also, why the hell are they tying Native American culture to aliens all of a sudden? In what universe could that create compelling story telling?

Mulder's thirst for the truth is grounded in the trauma involving his sister, and that could have worked if it were more of the focus, but the execution is shaky and the show does little to dissuade the notion that aliens are inherently lame. Mulder also comes across as an enormously smug jackass. For example, there's a case where a woman claims to have been raped and brutalized by a ghost (yes the show went there), and his immediate response is "lol, sure thing lady. I bet she's lying to screw over her employers". If you would see what this joker routinely immediately takes at face value, you'd see how much of a ridiculous douchebag he's being, but the show doesn't even follow up on it or call him out. I've noticed that the better episodes are the ones where he's taken down a peg, while the very worst ones tend to treat him as this messiah figure.

Scully on the other hand is the most interesting character on the show, but she's weighed down with her unconvincing disbelief in all things paranormal. I'm willing to overlook that though, because episodes that focus on her tend to be more grounded and less annoyingly self-important. Also her obvious crush on Mulder is adorable in its own way, given how completely different they are as people. It's also interesting to have her be the more emotionally stable and strong one of the pairing, I didn't expect that going into the show due to its age.

I'm not saying the show should never create serious episodes. "Ice" and "Irresistible" are incredibly dark and are some of my favourites, but they feel grounded in character drama and conflicts, and less interested in empty paranoia and conspiracies that the writers assume we'll care about because "ALIENS". I just wish it would mix that darkness with more of an acknowledgement that it is a ridiculous and pulpy show with oddball leads.

TL;DR X-Files would be a great show if it was written with more self-awareness and humour in its cases of the week, and less focus on "mythology".
 

enigmatic_alex44

Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
Mulder also comes across as an enormously smug jackass.

Gillian Anderson was the best part of the show, and it would have been better with her as the solo lead. Mulder (and his poor acting) were such a distraction.
 

Goodstyle

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Could have been good? How dare you. No.

Go watch Warehouse 13.

There's no doubt the show has legitimately incredible episodes, but the bad/mediocre ones far outnumber the good ones.

One episode has someone inheriting body-controlling serial killer genes from her rapist/murderer father, and that's what would count as an "average" episode on that show!
 
The alien stuff was a product of its time, and I guarandamntee if you were a young teenager in the 90's, it was super cool and scary and conspiracy stuff was all the rage. We live in a different age.
 
A lot of the later seasons take themselves a lot less seriously. Maybe not season 8 and 9 late, but 5-7 for sure has a lot more cheeky monster of the week episodes.

Also, you have to imagine when this show aired and how a show like that would've been received then. In the 90's, stories loosely based on conspiracy theories made for pretty captivating, fresh television. It's easy to forget how much television changed post-Sopranos.
 
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Don't say negative things about such a great show. You're wrong! You're wrong!

It's one of my favourite shows. I disagree, but you're entitled to your own opinion. To each their own.
 

- J - D -

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Back in 1993 I think the creators were just trying to avoid camp where possible given how the genre had been treated in tv up to that point. The show does loosen up as it goes along, though, most notable from season 4 onward.
 

Goodstyle

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Go watch buffy, X-files isn't for you

I watched every episode of Buffy and its spin-off Angel. They are 2 of my favourite shows ever. I started X-Files hoping for more of the same. I was wrong, but I still wanna finish the show because of how culturally relevant it is and because in the few times that it's good, it is really, really good.
 
I watched every episode of Buffy and its spin-off Angel. They are 2 of my favourite shows ever. I started X-Files hoping for more of the same. I was wrong, but I still wanna finish the show because of how culturally relevant it is and because in the few times that it's good, it is really, really good.

Also may not be a bad idea to use an episode guide to skip the stinkers. This one ain't bad. It's a bit snarky, but includes all the mythology episodes and most monster of the week episodes that are worth watching.
 
By today's standards, probably, but back in the 90's it didn't seem that way. Things were allowed to be cheesier while remaining serious. I liked the balance. Like someone said, what you're describing seems more like Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
 
Nah OP, The X-Files had the perfect amount of humor. Some would say even too much during season 6, though those people are wrong as well.

I think you'd like the 10th season.

Those Season 10 mythology episodes are pretty hilarious but I think OP is looking for intentional humor.
 

braves01

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I recently watched all 10 seasons. I agree the show is littered with mediocre to downright bad episodes. The overarching mythos never pays off.

That said, there are plenty of great standalone episodes that justify the reverence people have for the show. Hunt those out and you can cobble together several seasons of good to truly great TV. Skip seasons 9 and 10 completely. Watch both the movies. Season 8 is my sleeper best season. Mulder's still around a lot, Scully is still doing stuff away from Quantico, and Robert Patrick adds a bit of true crime/CSI to the show.
 
wtf the show was light-hearted enough...it had just the right amount of humor.

It's like you want something entirely different than what The X-Files was always supposed to be.
 

BigDug13

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I watched every episode of Buffy and its spin-off Angel. They are 2 of my favourite shows ever. I started X-Files hoping for more of the same. I was wrong, but I still wanna finish the show because of how culturally relevant it is and because in the few times that it's good, it is really, really good.

Have you watched Supernatural? It's a bit of X-Files mixed with Buffy/Angel.
 

chicnstu

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Why does everything have to have comedy thrown in? Some things are designed to be serious and that's ok. For me, immersion is broken when serious strays from the original intention. We all have our preferences.
 

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Why does everything have to have comedy thrown in? Some things are designed to be serious and that's ok. For me, immersion is broken when serious strays from the original intention. We all have our preferences.

Hence X-Files' sister show, Millennium, which was dark as fuck right from the get-go.
 
Mulder's thirst for the truth is grounded in the trauma involving his sister, and that could have worked if it were more of the focus, but the execution is shaking and the show does little to dissuade the notion that aliens are inherently lame. Mulder also comes across as an enormously smug jackass. For example, there's a case where a woman claims to have been raped and brutalized by a ghost (yes the show went there), and his immediate response is "lol, sure thing lady. I bet she's lying to screw over her employers". If you would see what this joker routinely immediately takes at face value, you'd see how much of a ridiculous douchebag he's being, but the show doesn't even follow up on it or call him out. I've noticed that the better episodes are the ones where he's taken down a peg, while the very worst ones tend to treat him as this messiah figure.

Excelsis Dei is the worst episode of X-Files. I'm surprised they haven't taken more shit for it honestly. It's the Code of Honor of X-Files. The subject matter/politics is embarrassingly out of date now. It doesn't even make sense because Mulder is always the first to believe in crazy shit then this episode comes along and he's the skeptic and it looks really bad.

Anyway stop hating on the horror episdoes and keep going.
 

Goodstyle

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Excelsis Dei is the worst episode of X-Files. I'm surprised they haven't taken more shit for it honestly. It's the Code of Honor of X-Files. The subject matter/politics is embarrassingly out of date now. It doesn't even make sense because Mulder is always the first to believe in crazy shit then this episode comes along and he's the skeptic and it looks really bad.

Anyway stop hating on the horror episodes and keep going.

I like pure-horror episodes when they're done well. The only ones I can think of at the moment are "The Host" (holy crap was that monster terrifying to look at), and "Irresistible". It's really the alien/government conspiracy stuff that I'm not feeling.

I think you guys are right about the fact this may be flaw in that it's a product of its time. The show acts like it's a huge god damn deal that the government keeps secret files on people across the country, but today, we know that government is constantly spying on us. The impact seems lost here.
 

squidyj

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I watched every episode of Buffy and its spin-off Angel. They are 2 of my favourite shows ever. I started X-Files hoping for more of the same. I was wrong, but I still wanna finish the show because of how culturally relevant it is and because in the few times that it's good, it is really, really good.

what in the actual fuck led you to that expectation?
 

boingball

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X-Files as a comedy? Nope, nope, nope. The comedy episodes worked because they stood in contrast to the other episodes. But I am sure that at some point you would get fed up.

X-Files without Mulder? Nope, nope, nope. And there is a reason that X-Files ended when Mulder left (basically) the show. Fox Mulder is the X-Files.
 

TaterTots

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X-Files as a comedy? Nope, nope, nope. The comedy episodes worked because they stood in contrast to the other episodes. But I am sure that at some point you would get fed up.

X-Files without Mulder? Nope, nope, nope. And there is a reason that X-Files ended when Mulder left (basically) the show. Fox Mulder is the X-Files.

I agree. The show went downhill really fast when Mulder disappeared.
 
You like Darin Morgan episodes. And you should they are amongst the very best. Not a single miss. They are great even if you have never watched a single other episode of The X-Files. They don't only stand out because they are different.
 

Timedog

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I tried to watch x files cause some girl I was into watched it. Just don't get it. It's cheesy as fuck in every respect. I just made fun of itthe, and how serious it took itself the whole time.
 

Hex

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Could ....have....been.....
Wait what?
For the safety of my account I will leave this thread.
I will say only that X-Files is one of the Greatest of all Time.
 

Shaanyboi

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What an awful opinion. The show was great. The show was funny when it needed be, serious when it needed to be. The silly one-off episodes come in, are ridiculous, but that's far from the stuff that made that show memorable.
 
X-Files as a comedy? Nope, nope, nope. The comedy episodes worked because they stood in contrast to the other episodes. But I am sure that at some point you would get fed up.

X-Files without Mulder? Nope, nope, nope. And there is a reason that X-Files ended when Mulder left (basically) the show. Fox Mulder is the X-Files.

This man gets it.
 
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