Still makes no sense. There are tons of scenes in the original run between Syndicate members talking about colonization and the like and they'd have no reason to continue the ruse in their private meetings unless they were all major LARPers.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
The X-Files S10 |OT| The Truth Is Still Out There - Mondays 8/7c
- Thread starter obin_gam
- Start date
- Status
Still makes no sense. There are tons of scenes in the original run between Syndicate members talking about colonization and the like and they'd have no reason to continue the ruse in their private meetings unless they were all major LARPers.
Extra Sauce
Member
I think that's the sort of scene that needed to be cut out because of how few episodes there are. We can assume tests did happen between the first two episodes.
That being said, I like that characterization. I always saw Mulder as a brilliant FBI profiler who developed an obsession with the paranormal, but not the action hero type. He can hold his own but physicality is not his strongest suit. This is no Jack Bauer. He's a bit goofy.
Yeah the wig is unfortunate. Seems almost sacrilegious to cover such a naturally gorgeous woman. I understand the reason (long-term damage from hair dye) but I have to wonder if the costume department could have done a better job.
Also, Duchovny looked better on Kimmel. I wouldn't mind a short hair Mulder but I guess it's out of the question.
By the way final ratings came in:
That is HUGE, no one expected it to go up, let alone a full point. Almost 17 million viewers with a 6.1 rating is nuts.
Early HH for last night is pegging it close to possibly 10 million viewers with a 3+ rating which will be gigantic. Let's hope that holds and ratings stay strong so we get more shorter seasons after this.
That is HUGE, no one expected it to go up, let alone a full point. Almost 17 million viewers with a 6.1 rating is nuts.
Early HH for last night is pegging it close to possibly 10 million viewers with a 3+ rating which will be gigantic. Let's hope that holds and ratings stay strong so we get more shorter seasons after this.
ph1l0z0ph3r
Member
Haven't seen Ep 2 yet but rewatching the series on Netflix since I never saw it straight through as a continuation and it still holds up incredibly well.
Extra Sauce
Member
12 episodes season incoming?
Doubtful, neither actor wants to be tied down to that long of a season. We may get a 8-10 episode season 11 though if ratings hold strong. Just depends on Gillian and David going forward.
The Elite
BOSS
Ok. This is good. I thought the non-football drop would be devastating.
Edit: the football actual went up?
I watched the first new episode last night, and I was a bit disappointed. For one particular reason: A complete lack of build-up.
Within the first 20 minutes we see a tired Mulder and Sculley get back together, meet a blow-hard talk tv host, meet a strange girl, and all of a sudden "EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN TOLD IS A LIE".
After 9 seasons, two movies, and a looong hiatus.
They really should have used the entire episode to get to that revelation.
Within the first 20 minutes we see a tired Mulder and Sculley get back together, meet a blow-hard talk tv host, meet a strange girl, and all of a sudden "EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN TOLD IS A LIE".
After 9 seasons, two movies, and a looong hiatus.
They really should have used the entire episode to get to that revelation.
VincentMatts
Member
Does it bother anyone else that Mulder suddenly has a fashion sense? Part of the appeal of the character was that he didnt care about those things. Wore suits that didnt fit well, too big...now all of a sudden after a long depression hes Mr. GQ?
I dont buy it.
I dont buy it.
Zoe
Member
Were his suits too big? I thought that was just the style in the 90's.
Barry Burton
Member
6 might be enough if they stick to Mulder & Scully being at the FBI and investigating X-Files cases, and not have to waste an episode going over "where they've been and where are they now" like My Struggle was.
Though admittedly after last night's show I definitely want more, and lamented that there are only a few more MOTW episodes this season. I didn't realize how much I missed M&S just investigating a case for the FBI, just like the old days. Their time spent together in Seasons 8 and 9, plus I Want to Believe and the miniseries premiere, it just wasn't the same. Whatever "it" factor that exists, it was back in episode 2.
Assuming the season ends on a high note and there's good reason to bring the show back again, I'd definitely be down for 8-to-10 episodes per season. It'll never be more than that, though, and I don't think it needs to be. 6 might not be enough to let things breathe and develop a bit, but assuming they do this again on at least a semi-regular basis, they wouldn't be saddled with as much baggage as they were this time around.
VincentMatts
Member
Still, he never wore colors other than dark now hes styln everywhere he goes. People in a depression dont dress up.
Honestly im a huge fan, but they both seem like they dont wanna be there. Especially David. I dunno if can handle another season like this.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Barry Burton
Member
I don't know...with the first episode, definitely, but I didn't get that same sense from last night's. Gillian's acting seemed a bit stiff in the first scene when they were investigating the crime scene, but after that I didn't really notice anything that stood out as being substandard from the two leads. Everything just felt right at a certain point.
Conversely, their performances in the premiere felt very phoned-in, especially David's. But it really was an awful script. Not to excuse their performances (as well as McHale's), but even had they acted like they gave more of a shit I don't think it would have improved the first episode a whole lot. It was Carter at his very worst. They had much better material to work with in Episode 2, and in turn I thought they both gave better performances.
Miss.Selfdestruct
Member
Loved episode 2, my kind of MOTW episode but was borderline mytharc.
Having seen episode 3 already, I think it's easily the worst of the 3 right now. Bet all of you will be on its balls though.
Then you'd get people bitching about the episode lacking build up, too much or too little reintroduction, too fast paced, etc., etc. all the same.
Having seen episode 3 already, I think it's easily the worst of the 3 right now. Bet all of you will be on its balls though.
Then you'd get people bitching about the episode lacking build up, too much or too little reintroduction, too fast paced, etc., etc. all the same.
80s Bad Guy
Banned
The first episode was like, not bad. But I'm so glad to have this show back in my life. Just keep them coming.
And at least a Doggett cameo with a demon episode please.
And at least a Doggett cameo with a demon episode please.
Miss.Selfdestruct
Member
Unless you mean 1st episode of Season 1, then yes. If you mean 1st episode of season 10, no, terrible idea.
Extra Sauce
Member
And at least a Doggett cameo with a demon episode please.
Doggett has some unfinished business with Pure Evil.
Maybe Robert Patrick will change his mind for Season 11...
VincentMatts
Member
Ya the first episode wasn't great. Even the cameras theyre using, they just feel off. Maybe its because im used to the old cameras from the old episodes but everything just felt too clear. Its weird to even say it but it just felt weird. Im also re-watching them on netflix right now so that might be why. New tech vs old tech.
obin_gam
Member
Seems like the second one is better.
He was seen hanging out with white supremecists near Charming California in recent years. Probably where he kept his swole on.
He was the commander of an interstellar spaceship on Stargate Atlantis from 2004-2009. I'm sure that helped.
Beer Monkey
Member
We aged much faster relative to him while he was traveling there and back.
Maybe the Syndicate was duped just like Mulder? Thought they were helping real aliens, were actually fooled?
PlayALLtheGames
Banned
During first episode I was initially like, "Alright" but then by the end of that and the second episode I was like, "ALRIGHT!!!!"
VincentMatts
Member
Seeing that opening song start was fucking bad ass. i was so happy.
The Elite
BOSS
They already did.
There was no invasion planned. That was a smoke screen to subdue Mulder's quest for the truth and hide the real truth that a shadow government were using acquired alien technology to plan their own take over. The 2012 date may have been some sort of mobilization date for that.
The aliens had no designs on invasion, at least in the conventional sense. It's obvious that the black oil was up to something nefarious as it controlled the shape shifting grey alien bounty hunters. Then there was the group that was fighting against them, the ones who sowed their eyes and mouths shut.
80s Bad Guy
Banned
So basically Chris Carter finally read Watchmen?
Honestly I like the direction they're taking it in.
The Elite
BOSS
Something like that.
While the first episode wasn't that great the new revelations regarding the mythology actually work in the context of the series. Not perfectly but I think it explains a lot of what was going on with the super soldiers. The super soldiers make more sense as a an elite soldier for a human shadow government that is planning on taking over than actual aliens who already had their own alien bounty hunters as enforcers, and all the ships they would be bringing in an actual invasion.
From season one we saw that humanity was using and developing alien technology.
There are definitely some plots points that clash though. They really need to explain what the black oil's endgame was/is as that was obviously planning something nefarious. As well as some of the interactions the syndicate had with the colonists that seemed to indicate an invasion was happening.
It's not a perfect development but I think it's the right step forward for where the world is today. It feeds into a society that is highly insecure about a government they put so much trust in to defend them just after 9-11.
Miss.Selfdestruct
Member
From Carter:
http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3337839/chris-carter-talks-passing-the-x-files-colonization-date-2012-reveals-returning-cast/
At the X-Files Files marathon event, Carter teased about the 6th episode being a cliff hanger. So it sounds like Colonization might be more fully addressed in the last 2 episodes.
I wonder if Scully's hair is done this way on purpose. It looked much better in the Williams sequence. But I agree, something is off.
According to this interview a run of 13 would probably not work with their schedules.
Barry Burton
Member
Yeah, it really only makes sense with the existing canon if there's an entity that goes even higher than the Syndicate. Where even they were being manipulated.
I suppose it's possible. Some form of the conspiracy was still going on after the Rebels cooked most of the Syndicate. We see Smokey sitting in on a meeting in "Biogenesis" where they were discussing the alien takeover. And then obviously there were the super-soldiers and whoever they were working with. So I think if it goes in the direction that Mulder and O'Malley believe, then I think it's plausible that there was a shadowy organization even higher-up than the Syndicate that knew the full story.
It's an interesting twist, for sure. We've seen the bounty hunters and rebels meet directly with the Syndicate and others, and they definitely abducted Mulder. But we never see them go to their "home planet", or anything. So they absolutely could have been lab-created like the clones and alien/human hybrids that they've been hired to eliminate. The most directly-alien events to take place happened during the first movie, and that's the only time we see the Syndicate's supposed leader Strughold get involved.
However, I don't think it's a case of the Smoking Man duping everybody. I don't think he knew at the time of his demise in "The Truth", but maybe he found out since. Remember, he kidnapped Mulder to try and become a hybrid himself, so he'd survive the colonization event. And that's why he was hiding in the magnetite rocks, as a last-ditch effort. How he survived getting shot by rockets is a whole other story, but assuming that he did, he probably had the same reaction as Mulder and Scully when December 2012 came and passed without an alien invasion.
I gotta say, after watching the premiere the other night, I didn't think there was any way for the new mytharc to co-exist with the events of the first nine seasons. But once I actually stopped to think about it, I think it could work. There's definitely a way to explain why 2012 didn't happen without invalidating a lot of what we've seen over the years.
Basically:
- Aliens were here before, in ancient times.
- Aliens came back after WW2 (Roswell).
- Shadowy organization begins using alien technology starting with the Roswell incident. They continue using this technology under the guise of "aliens"; UFOs, bounty hunters, super-soldiers, etc. -- they are the product of this group.
- Same shadowy organization establishes a clean-up crew (Syndicate) that is kept out of the loop. They believe they are working directly with the aliens, but are unknowingly really protecting the real conspiracy.
- Mulder & Scully come to believe that the Syndicate is as high as the conspiracy goes. Once they are out of the picture, they believe there is nothing that can be done to stop colonization from occurring.
Of course, everything in "My Struggle" could turn out to be BS misdirection, but I think it could still work even if it's not.
wanderingprostheyltite
Member
How'd you get access to it? If true that's a huge bummer, Darin Morgan's episode :/
The Elite
BOSS
The general consensus from critics seems to be that it's the best one so I remain excited.
Almost everyone else who has seen it loves episode 3, so I'm sticking with being excited!
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked