There is no Epstein Client List
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winjer
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That is the mistake a lot of people think, when they look at extremists.
Plenty of people think that guys like Hitler and Stalin were not very smart and were just evil.
The reality is that they were genius at manipulating people and political opponents. And they used that to gain power and commit some of the worst atrocities in the world.
That she was able to reach the top of the Democratic party, at least of a while, should tell you that she has the ability to navigate and manipulate people.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Thats just it she wasn't elected to that position, she was hand picked by Biden after she failed in the Dems own debates
Then they just handed her the ticket to run against Trump because of how late in the process that Biden was forced out
Then a lot of Dems who voted for Biden did not come out for her
She didn't reach that position, it was handed to her and she fumbled it away
winjer
Member
She was able to get herself into that position.
She failed the last step, but don't underestimate her.
I bet we'll hear more of her in the future.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
I never could understand how in a country of over 300mil only the worse rises to the top when it comes to your politics, having said that I liked Obama, regardless of his policies he came across as a proper statesman and was widely liked and respected around the world, Biden we all knew was an elderly man in decline, it was so obvious yet there he was leading America, whereas Trump is just a pure laughing stock, it's like you grabbed someone of the Jerry Springer show and made him president and to watch him interact with actual statesmen and world leaders it's embarrassing and cringe, I just hope to god he's around to watch an actual leader like Zelensky pick up a Nobel Peace prise... That would be *chefs kiss
Nydius
Member
The older I get the more I turn into 1996 George Carlin.
Or maybe 2005 George Carlin: It's a big club, and you ain't in it.
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Precisely. She only lost by 1.7%, too. Which IIRC, if we take out the two years where the popular vote loser won the electoral college, that was the smallest margin of victory in 50 years. Trump was beatable. All the Democrats needed to do was allow for an actual primary process to select their candidate. Kamala was already polarizing within the party, and the fact she immediately tied herself to all of Biden's policies sunk her with moderates. Plus it didn't help that she sounded like a functional alcoholic every time she was interviewed.
I'd almost guarantee that had they done a proper primary, whoever got nominated would have won.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
About those Epstein files (let's stay on topic)
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I find it really hard to accept Kamala as a far left extremist. She's just another millionaire politician, a "progressive" from a Dem perspective but man the left has a massive spectrum that goes way farther than anything Kamala has ever said or especially done.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Right. Painting Kamala as a "far leftist" is comical.... She's more middle of the road than ever ... And one of her key proposals is something Trump ran on: expanding housing to bring costs down for the average American.
Dagnabbit! Y'all got me!
Ok... I'll try to stay on topic now.
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adj83
Member
Is anyone actually thinking that there is some genuine compromising material about Trump in the Epstein files? Correct me if any of the below is wrong but suppose he is in there and it is bad... that would mean:
- The original Epstein conviction happened and he escaped being implicated
- The Epstein flight logs have been released and somehow only show that he flew with Epstein from Florida to NY but he didn't go to the island
- After he won in 2016, Obama/Hillary etc. decided to say nothing about it because falsely accusing him of being a Russian asset was the better play
- Democrats sat on the info throughout his first term because Mueller and the other impeachment attempts were the better play
- The Biden DOJ, NY AG etc. didn't go after him for it while they were throwing all kinds of lawfare at him after his 1st term.
- The MeToo movement came and went, and no Epstein victim came forward to accuse him
- Trump has mentioned the Epstein files who knows how many times since 2016, despite knowing that he is probably in there too and he'd get crucified if it came out.
- After being arrested during Trump's 1st term, Epstein and Maxwell didn't blackmail him with the kompromat they had on him. Sitting on it so they could commit suicide/be convicted was the better play.
Nydius
Member
Talking about the election is topical. Had a Democrat won, any Democrat, the files would have been buried and I think most people - outside of the far fringes - would have moved on.
The reason they're still an issue is because Trump used their existence as part of his campaign. He used them as part of his political agenda of accountability, he used them to pander to the fringes about the "deep state", and he used them as a cudgel against "establishment Democrats". There is no doubt this won him some votes. Enough to claim victory? Hard to tell. But given the backlash, apparently a lot of his supporters believed him.
If it's a "hoax" as he claims, then he's also admitting he fell for it himself as he used it for his own political gain, which isn't a good look either. Regardless, he now wants us all to do essentially the same thing we would have done had Kamala won: Just forget about the entire Epstein saga entirely.
I do find the timing pretty interesting because his administration went from "they're on my desk" to "they're a hoax" in about as much time as it took for Elon to tweet "Trump is on the list."
JayK47
Member
Jeffry Epstein's rumored 'client list' will never be released to the public by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), according to a former agent.
The client list is too important to the CIA and they will never release it. It wasn't something that Trump or any other politician could promise to have released. Add this to the list of promises not kept by politicians.
The client list is too important to the CIA and they will never release it. It wasn't something that Trump or any other politician could promise to have released. Add this to the list of promises not kept by politicians.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
We saw it happen twice when the Democratic political establishment kneecapped Bernie Sanders' primary chances in 2016 and in 2020. The political elites funded by millions of PAC dollars have the interests of billionaires in mind, and will do whatever they can to hinder the progress of someone who is funded by small money individual donations and who has the interests of those people ahead of the super wealthy.
Baemono
Gold Member
That's the issue with most of right-wing (or even super right-wing) parties accross the world, they don't use traditional media anymore, they focus on social media with fake news, youtube videos, and comments letting people believe there are a lot of supporters believing and encouraging these stuff. I live in Europe, and see it exactly how it happened in the US (and the fake news are easily debunkable, but you have a lots of bots spreading the wrong stuff to make people believe everything).
Got worse during COVID and now it's worse than ever. Social media was a nice stuff back then it was about cats and people's vacations, not anymore.
Atomicfear
Neo Member
Some logic.
Despite how many gaffs and weird shit Trump is involved in--I can't really refute any of the negative talked about him-- the United States is in a pretty good spot if you look at it objectively and cut out the fringe commentary that drives media consumption. The epstein files are political theater that has no bearing on the average American's life.
Baemono
Gold Member
yes but don't forget the outcome of this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
YCoCg
Gold Member
And yet certain lefty lunatics on this forum want to keep banging on about Epstein, I didn't realise we were in ResetEra, why aren't all of you reading this just moving on from this old boring hoax? You've all been conned by Obama, Clinton and Elon Musk!
/s
....if it wasn't obvious
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
A bunch of troublemakers, we.
Donald mac Ronald
Member
Can someone explain to me why Epstein has the biggest, longest face of any human? It's insanely long.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
He also looks like he could be Anthony Bourdain's brother.
ResilientBanana
Member
If there's anything a group of hackers should do, it's release these files.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
I say its improving and that social media has opened people's eyes.
They're no longer deceiving people or keeping things to themselves...
The point of the tariffs is to get people to buy American products because, in theory, it issue upposed to be cheaper to buy local. Unfortunately, our cost of living is out of control and we need to build the factories in order to start producing and this takes time. You can't pay someone to stock shelves $20 bucks an hour and expect prices to remain low....
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I dont think the theory is cheaper local goods (unless I missed something). It's more about job protection and more blue collar workers being more important than low prices for everyone from dirt cheap overseas manufacturing. But the issue about manufacturing job protection vs low prices is another debate people will take sides. Grilling country of origin goods an extra 10-20% in the grand scheme of things may not even make a difference compared to making it fully in USA anyway. It'd probably still be cheaper.
I always find overseas costs incredible because even though western countries have high costs of people, you'd think the shitload of container ship fees, port fees, and extended truck transport to get from port to warehouses would be costly and counter their low wages. Guess not.
There's also something odd about even ordering stuff by mail. Me and my buddies have ordered knock off stuff from China. We often like to order cheap sports jerseys for like $40. And the shipping airmailed for dirt cheap. Somehow it's cheaper to airmail it from halfway across the world and then someone doing local deliveries by truck vs. a local order by truck only unless I order enough to hit the minimum order to qualify for $0 shipping fees.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
And the AMERICAN importer pays the tariffs. Not whatever other country. The costs are passed down to the consumer, raising prices. Trump's logic makes no sense
Dirk Benedict
Member
I hope not. They tossed her a billion and she spent it all.
The campaign used that to pay big celebrities to talk for it. I laughed.
I don't want to get too deep, but the 2028 ticket looks cooked all around, in my opinion.
Too many people lying and too many people thinking they're smarter than anyone else. DC is full of smug imbeciles, the lot.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Too important for what if they are not gonna arrest anyone?
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Buggy Loop
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Punished Miku
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This is just the beginning. We're in a post-reality world. Fox News started around 1996 so a lot of these people have been on 30 years of programming. Now add waifu Mecha Hitler convincing people they're the messiah and deep fakes. If you don't have profound media literacy, people aren't going to know their head from their ass in 10 years. These people live in a WWE world full time and it will become an actual religion.
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Vestal
Junior Member
It has been over 15 years since he started all this. Time after time people kept falling for his bullshit.
Birtherism
Buterryemails
Pizzagate
Biden crime family
Epstein
Etc etc
You know the "classics"
Every single one a grift to squeeze more money and power out of people. Has he delivered on a single one??
Same old record on repeat over and over again.
This whole episode is another reminder just how full of shit he is. I have zero doubt that Trump is in those files and there is incriminating stuff. The guy is a certified creep and abuser. Everyone knows it.
Birtherism
Buterryemails
Pizzagate
Biden crime family
Epstein
Etc etc
You know the "classics"
Every single one a grift to squeeze more money and power out of people. Has he delivered on a single one??
Same old record on repeat over and over again.
This whole episode is another reminder just how full of shit he is. I have zero doubt that Trump is in those files and there is incriminating stuff. The guy is a certified creep and abuser. Everyone knows it.
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Idleyes
Gold Member
Truth be told, Democratic voters agreed Biden was too old, that's why the whole switcheroo happened with Kamala Harris. Anyway most Americans (and any reasonable person, really) don't care which party predators align themselves with. The few who do defend them are practically accomplices for backing these people out of political loyalty, in my opinion.
Idleyes
Gold Member
Have you considered that maybe both Democrats and Republicans have allies they're trying to protect, and that's why neither side has released everything?
Anyhow, the strong public demand for transparency on this, especially from the MAGA crowd, is because Trump and his team made releasing those files a part of their campaign (to garner votes and make the Democrats look like a party of predators). MAGA is the reason it's back in the news cycle, they're demanding the release of the files, and left-leaning media outlets are using their outrage to turn it against Trump. It's pretty straightforward.
It's a self inflicted controversy.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yeah, the way she manipulated that whole situation to literally take the vote away from the democrats is textbook.
that said, i dont think she can win the primary again.
Toons
Member
Obama should sue
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
I think in current state of things there's nothing in court that will stick on Trump. He did way worse felonies and he's now POTUS for 2nd time.
I think even lawyers would tell Obama to forget it
Toons
Member
Its worth putting the pressure on him regardless.
Hes doing this out of desperation to salvage this image thats been desecrated now. Keep the pressure on, and he'll slip up, or crack under it
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
She didn't manipulate anything. Democratic brass did.
And you're right, she can't and shouldn't run again. Some of the policies should be tho with whoever does run. Most Democrats are status quo lovers. They don't want change... Neither do Republicans. Except to shill for billionaires and give THEM tax breaks.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Who will Democrats pick though?
I'm not even American but the situation is dire to say the least.
Idleyes
Gold Member
Great question. Honestly, we'll have to wait until after the 2026 midterms to get a clearer picture. If Democrats perform well, you're likely looking at an established name, someone like Pete Buttigieg, Gavin Newsom, Rahm Emanuel, AOC, Ro Khanna, Cory Booker, Josh Shapiro, Maura Healey, Mark Kelly, Amy Klobuchar, Ruben Gallego, etc.
But if they flop? All bets are off. At that point, any nigga off the street with a decent ground game, donor backing, and a message that pulls voters from across the spectrum, including disillusioned MAGA types, could step in and shake shit up.
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Baemono
Gold Member
Somenew people, like Newsom
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
My twitter feed is holding strong. For now anyway.
The last one is my favorite because he clearly didnt learn from the Astronomer CEO and his mistress overreacting after being put on kisscam. If he ignores that one dude, this doesnt become a story.
Also, trumppedoepsteinfiles is still trending.
I dunno, some of those folks are as toxic as Trump, you just don't get the MSM bringing it up all the time, but the voter kneejerk reaction is there.
These days the value is being a candidate that is strong enough to bring in million (billions) in campaign money that can be siphoned off into personal coffers, but never actually get elected to the top spot and then have to deliver. That's why guys like Bernie back down when they actually have a shot, he doesn't WANT to be pres, he just wants the donations in hope he MIGHT.
Newsom is probably the pick and he will probably win. He'll evoke all those Kennedy memories and he can talk as smoothly as Obama. I personally think he's odious and a horrible person but on tv he's pretty slick.
Idleyes
Gold Member
Personally, I wouldn't choose any of the names I mentioned. I was answering a question.
IMO, the entire system needs an overhaul. Elections should be publicly funded with taxpayer dollars so our leaders serve the people, not the highest bidder. Debates should be hosted and broadcast on publicly funded networks, and political donations, corporate contributions, and paid ads should be outlawed entirely.
Not a solution I'd actually back, just a look at how much I dislike the way shit is going right now.
Nydius
Member
Is it though?
After a few months of decline, inflation is beginning to tick upward again (albeit at a much slower pace than the last four years) and the US Dollar Index has lost 11% in the last six months. Job numbers are good, that's true, especially for native born workers but purchasing power is still declining. Tourism is in the tank, with massive losses already and more losses predicted. Meanwhile, we have a guy in the Oval whose only international fiscal policy is to throw out tariffs like Oprah handing out cars. We won't know the impacts of the OBBB for a couple years.
Everyone I know is pinching pennies as bad, if not worse than, during the past administration. Don't get me wrong, I don't think things would be better had the other option won. But things aren't sunshine and rainbows now either. Outside of immigration policies and shutting down DEI not much has changed.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Not much has changed? Ok. I'm working a gig right now but that's a lot to unpack.
Klosshufvud
Banned
Amazing. These clown shenanigans would have gotten any leader in any functional democracy outed and shamed for life. But in Mickey Mouse America, it seems anything flies as long as you're rich and do things with a smile. It really says something how the conservative press and social media shills all instantly coordinated the "Obama orchestrated fake news" thing the moment the Epstein thing started to blow up. How stupid do these assholes think we are? Well sad part is that it probably works really well on the MAGA drones. Never admit guilt, instead attack attack attack! Part of Trump's key mantra.
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Nydius
Member
Not really. Put aside immigration and DEI and look at every other issue as I literally just posted. Inflation is rising again, the value of the dollar continues to decline, tourism is taking a massive hit this year due to knee-jerk reactions to Trump's policies, we're mired down further in Ukraine (despite campaign pledges to do the opposite), the OBBB significantly increases spending and debt despite the cuts it includes, and the $9.2b recissions package is practically little more than a rounding error on the annual fiscal budget (and is a far cry from all the waste
DOGE supposedly found).
Tune out the static from both sides and it patently clear we're very much in "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" territory.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
he won the popular vote. its not just maga or conservatives. i know a lot of obama and biden voters who voted for him.
Like you said, It's an issue with Americans in general. For some reason, Americans love billionares, boisterous personalities, and womanizers. Typically the guys crazy enough to run for public office display those characteristics. Democracy is basically a contest for popular men. And this society tends to look favorably on rich men with mistresses. JFK, Clinton, Trump all had a ton of affairs before they even ran for office. It was known about them. No one cared. There is a great line in a Mad Men episode where these marketing guys are making an anti-JFK ad and one guy suggests that he's a womanizer. The other guys said it will just push women over the edge because women like womanizers. Americans are crazy like that lol
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