People really need to stop thinking that Nintendo has some master plan rationale for missing out on obvious features or understanding the needs of their customers. Because more often than not, it's not an intentional omission, it's just a stupid decision due to inexperience handling the concept of service driven products.
There's currently no way of getting your Switch save data from one console to another
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People really need to stop thinking that Nintendo has some master plan rationale for missing out on obvious features or understanding the needs of their customers. Because more often than not, it's not an intentional omission, it's just a stupid decision due to inexperience handling the concept of service driven products.
This? I'd be disappointed if a lot of games would use internal memory to save...
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Well, whatever. The point is that one member of the press already dropped the damn thing, and there's just a tiny fraction of these things given out to press compared to the number of people that will have them in their hands in 24 hours.
Ehhh I don't know. Twilight Princess on Wii was the first softmod and it was from a hacked gamesave. That really could have something to do with it in this specific case.
Nope the games are read only.
stan423321
Member
You're wrong. After Wii games' saves being exploited as hell, they have closed save exchanges on all their platforms. Did not exactly work as intended, but still.
UnemployedVillain
Member
The problem with making shit up is that you not only look dumb, but you embarrass everyone around. Some people on here are so adamant with their ignorance
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/151029/05.html
Yes, that must be why after that happened, they locked down all the saves on the 3DS, WiiU, and New 3DS. Wait no, that didn't happen. Lol.
xrnzaaas
Member
This should be interesting. PS4 has paid cloud saves, but you can backup to a USB. Xbox has free cloud saves (but you can't backup yourself). I wonder if Nintendo plans to choose the worst option.
Zombie James
Banned
So all signs point to this being a deliberate omission, then?
Holy hell, this is stupid. Saves tied to a portable system that can dropped, stepped on, stolen, etc.
BlastProcessing
Member
I don't know. The idea that Nintendo is too stupid or forgetful to do these things doesn't seem very accurate either.
The problem with making shit up is that you not only look dumb, but you embarrass everyone around. Some people on here are so adamant with their ignorance
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/151029/05.html
Exactly, they did not refer to "game progress data" back then but were talking about different kind of game data, particularly referencing "character data" as an example. That has already been implemented, and is already in use even on Switch if I see it correctly. It should be obvious that they didn't have a cloud saving system for game saves in mind when they announced that.
It's not about being stupid or forgetful. People take for granted how obvious certain ease of use or accessibility features are. The reality is that when you plan software and hardware systems, there are a lot of variables and making a great user experience takes experience in actually delivering such experiences and iterating on them. Sony and MS also fails a lot on stuff that seems "obvious", but they tend to react very quickly and are more willing to overhaul stuff and add substantial features. Nintendo is more rigid and slower at it. They've been getting better but they still have a long way to go because of their previous culture of providing "complete" experiences out of the box with minimal iteration. It's surprisingly easy to miss out on stuff, especially at launch.
Hey duck I was just trying to figure out why they would allow everything else to run from an sd card and be transferable but not the save data. It is clearly being restricted on purpose.
PapaEmeritus
Member
How about switching micro sd cards, I'm assuming I can just copy data from one to another, ex: going from 64GB to 128GB
The problem with making shit up is that you not only look dumb, but you embarrass everyone around. Some people on here are so adamant with their ignorance
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/151029/05.html
And 0 of these words implies games savestates.
Yep. PS4 had it at launch. I think it came to XB1 in a later update but their cloud save storage was always super reliable.
LFMartins86
Member
It is saved on the internal memory, not on the micro sd cards.
UnemployedVillain
Member
This feels like nitpicking. I'm going to wait and see, but this suggests they are considering cloud saves IMO. If I'm wrong months down the line, feel free to bring up this post again
They may consider it, but what has been shown in that diagram and said at that session has already been implemented with Miitomo. If they have a cloud system planned, they simply haven't talked about it yet (and as of last summer, not even with external developers).
deltatheta
Member
It was the same on the Wii U. Most likely this is to prevent hacks as modified save files are historically one of the main points of attack. All it takes is one buggy game with a potential buffer overrun when reading a save file to break the console's security. If saves are encrypted with a key unique to the console, and the OS rejects save files encrypted incorrectly, it closes that potential hole.
Well, yeah that's what they did on the Wii U after that happened. Presumably the 3DS was too late in development to make a change. And I don't think they could have changed how the New 3DS handled save files since it had to compatible with tons of already-released games.
Just wasn't a focus for them at launch. The OS is quite barbones from what I've seen so far.
Look how many months it took all those first parts to include something a simple at folders. They probably have a list of features they are adding and so expect some kind of savegame backup solution soon.
System isn't even out them and having people play around with save game data before the solution is confirmed secure probably isn't in their best interest after Wii, 3DS and WiiU and the related hacks.
Look how many months it took all those first parts to include something a simple at folders. They probably have a list of features they are adding and so expect some kind of savegame backup solution soon.
System isn't even out them and having people play around with save game data before the solution is confirmed secure probably isn't in their best interest after Wii, 3DS and WiiU and the related hacks.
This could be the reason......
This will be a problem for me and my little brother as we are only getting one Switch with the idea that he will get his own later down the line.
Hopefully Nintendo will add a firmware update that allows users to transfer save data to the mirco SD card, they will have to eventually what with the system only have 32GB storage.
Nope, they are saved to the system.
Hopefully Nintendo will add a firmware update that allows users to transfer save data to the mirco SD card, they will have to eventually what with the system only have 32GB storage.
Nope, they are saved to the system.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Neither, but more the latter I guess. Neither the system software nor the online setup is really ready, which is quite evident in many ways, but they can't wait until fall to release this thing.
Mysterious
Banned
It's going backwards from Wii.
UnemployedVillain
Member
Didn't know that...
That's my #1 con for Switch right now.
Your realize that games being read only is probably for technical reasons, because it allows them to have higher read speeds than if they allowed read/writes. That, at least, makes sense.
Well, Animal Crossing saves on 3DS can't be backed up*, and a lot of players (myself included) are over 1000h.
:/
* well, technically, they somehow can, but you can't restore a save if you have played inbetween, so you would need to back it up each time you play, and hope it doesn't fail in-game...
Mysterious
Banned
It literally says "Save Data".
Only if there's actually technical reasons for this, and I don't see why there would. Worst case, they could still do hybrid cards.
What I know is that I basically stopped playing games on 3DS that doesn't save on carts, because it's insanely annoying.
There's no reason to think it won't work.
Starwolf_UK
Member
Wii saves were encrypted with a common key so you can use them on any system unless it contained data relating to Nintendo Wi-Fi connection (i.e. practically all online games) in what case they were system locked.
3DS cart saves were unencrypted then changed to some sort of common key encryption (can't really avoid it if you want save data on carts and carts to work on multiple systems) but either way external devices like powersaves could be used to modify these. Digital saves were private key encrypted though.
Wii U saves were private key encrypted and the memory management was terrible mess (game+saves had to in the same location be it internal or external, external drives are proprietary filesystem) so you were unlikely to be backing up saves on that system sadly. You either copy game+save to internal memory (takes several minutes for bigger games) and delete game every now and then or you have a second external drive and just copy everything onto that. An external drive you can not use for anything but Wii U stuff.
But in the case of 3DS and Wii U were you to need to format your system (rarely corruption issues happen which require this) the private key just changed so goodbye saves and anything else you had on the external device/SD card so the backup was not that useful.
Gotdatmoney
Member
This is dumb. Why is it with nintendo systems just the most basic features are just aome bullshit guessing game.
Plinko
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I mean, the words "Game save data" are right there.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
This sucks. Fine (well, not too shocking at least) that there's no cloud backup for now, but no way to even backup to SD card? That's pretty crap.
And then they specify what they mean with "save data". And it's pretty clear that they aren't thinking of progress data as they are thinking of save data that can be used across different games across different systems, they are particularly mentioning "character data" as an example.
They didn't announce a cloud save system for your game progress, nor did they mention it. You need to read the entire sentence. When I say "I am going to the US if WW3 starts", then you cannot say "oh he's going to the US, he literally said those words".
Broken Hope
Member
That will help if the system gets stolen or doesn't start up how?
UnemployedVillain
Member
They specify a single example that you're interpreting to mean the extent of all cloud stored data. The other part of your post doesn't really mean much. Nintendo doesn't announce a lot of things
Gotta be intentional or else they would just allow it on SD cards.