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[What The Forest Taught Me]

They're enacting this asinine policy yet again?! This was one of my family's major issues with our two Wii Us. Here we go again!

Nintendo, despite hemorrhaging vast amounts of marketshare, cash, and consumer goodwill for the better part of the past half a decade, still refuses to learn. There is no excuse for this nonsensical variety of backwardness.

 

[What The Forest Taught Me]

What the fuck? Is this a massive oversight or intentional?

It's intentional. They started this absurdity with the Wii U.

 

[What The Forest Taught Me]

This was my main problem with the Wii U, and I'm not pleased to see it return. I recall some chatter about cloud saves, however, so maybe that will come with the online service.

On the 3DS, even though data was device/account-tied, you could still back up the contents of your SD card to your hard drive in case of an emergency. It seems like a big step back that this isn't also supported via the Switch micro-SD slot, from what the article says.

My thoughts in a nutshell.

 

[EPaul]

This is basically a soft launch isnt it

 

[notaskwid]

But Zelda.

 

[What The Forest Taught Me]

That's a big issue if you have a console that doesn't work anymore and you need to switch consoles with a new one.

They are going to do something about it though, it's not an issue for day one.

They didn't do anything about it for the Wii U.

 

[What The Forest Taught Me]

This level of stupidity here just makes my head hurt. So they finally figured out that tying games to specific hardware is a bad idea, but now saves are effectively locked to hardware. Correct me if I'm wrong but this was never a problem on the Wii U, right?

Ohhhh no, it was a problem with the Wii U as well---a big problem.

 

[Wensih]

I think the real question is what happens if you insert your game cartridge into another switch, play and then insert your game cartridge back to the original switch with the original save. I heard horror stories when New Leaf released on 3DS that it would wipe save files (didn't test to verify), but I'm not sure if that was because there was data on both the 3DS carts and SD cards.

 

[Aostia]

Please, use the multiple quotes function
Btw I hope they introduce clous saves

 

[calc84maniac]

I think the real question is what happens if you insert your game cartridge into another switch, play and then insert your game cartridge back to the original switch with the original save. I heard horror stories when New Leaf released that it would wipe save files (didn't test to verify), but I'm not sure if that was because there was data on both the 3DS carts and SD cards.

No save data is stored on the Switch cartridges.

 

[TankRizzo]

How many preorders have been canceled because of this thread?

 

[What The Forest Taught Me]

Yes, that must be why after that happened, they locked down all the saves on the 3DS, WiiU, and New 3DS. Wait no, that didn't happen. Lol.

Just on the Wii U :/

 

[KingSnake]

How many preorders have been canceled because of this thread?

That's not the damn point. Not of this thread and not of other complains. The point is that there is an issue and it needs to be fixed. Especially for the ones who keep their preorders.

If Nintendo is afraid that saves on SD might be hacked, they should offer cloud saves in exchange.

Most of the time there is a solution if there is a will.

 

[The Red Wizard]

Can you access your digital games from multiple Switches?

 

[Dryk]

My stance from them pulling this shit on the Wii U hasn't changed. I don't care how badly you want to stop the system from being broken into, this is an indefensible way to treat your customers.

 

[Minsc]

Can you access your digital games from multiple Switches?

Yes, but you have to start from the beginning on each one, haha.

So if you have 2 Switches in your household, and share them between 3 people, it actually matters which Switch each person uses each time they use the Switch, even though all 3 people could easily log in and play on either Switch, their progress will not carry over to the other one.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Maybe this has been answered, but has anyone actually hooked the Switch via USB-C to a computer's USB-C port to see if the internal storage is accessible?

 

[Shiggy]

Yes, but you have to start from the beginning on each one, haha.

So if you have 2 Switches in your household, and share them between 3 people, it actually matters which Switch each person uses each time they use the Switch, even though all 3 people could easily log in and play on either Switches, their progress will not carry over to the other one.

You can play the game on 3 devices despite buying it just once?

 

[Minsc]

You can play the game on 3 devices despite buying it just once?

Sure, just not at the same time. And each device you will have to start the game from the beginning. Actually now that you mention it, it's possible you need to unlink your account between switching devices each time, so there's that too. Guess we'll know soon, sorry for the confusion, now I'm not sure.

 

[DjRalford]

Yes, but you have to start from the beginning on each one, haha.

So if you have 2 Switches in your household, and share them between 3 people, it actually matters which Switch each person uses each time they use the Switch, even though all 3 people could easily log in and play on either Switch, their progress will not carry over to the other one.

Ooooo, does that mean if i put my account on both mine and my daughters switch we can share the games from my account?

 

[Bionic]

Ooooo, does that mean if i put my account on both mine and my daughters switch we can share the games from my account?

No, you cannot do that.

 

[Shiggy]

Nvm.

 

[2Smashed4U]

Nintendo does the stupidest goddamn things for the sake of trying to curb piracy (which also never end up working.)

Ugh.

 

[Minsc]

No, you cannot do that.

Ok, but you can definitely have multiple users on a Switch, and a user can take their digital library to a new device now, right? So if they do that, then that other device can play anything they bought, it just won't have their progress. Then if they go back to the first device, they'd be able to use it again, with their progress. So it's just an extra annoying step, that really makes the process a pain I suppose.

 

[Shiggy]

Ok, but you can definitely have multiple users on a Switch, and a user can take their digital library to a new device now, right? So if they do that, then that other device can play anything they bought, it just won't have their progress. Then if they go back to the first device, they'd be able to use it again, with their progress. So it's just an extra annoying step, that really makes the process a pain I suppose.

How do you know that? I haven't see any confirmation from people with the system.

 

[DjRalford]

Ok, but you can definitely have multiple users on a Switch, and a user can take their digital library to a new device now, right? So if they do that, then that other device can play anything they bought, it just won't have their progress. Then if they go back to the first device, they'd be able to use it again, with their progress. So it's just an extra annoying step, that really makes the process a pain I suppose.

Hmmm, don;t really want to have to buy digital games twice so my daughter can play them too, i'll just stick to physical where i can methinks, easier just to swap the carts and have our own saves.

Then any digital stuff i'll put on mine as it'll be the main one in the lounge.

 

[tebunker]

Hmmm, don;t really want to have to buy digital games twice so my daughter can play them too, i'll just stick to physical where i can methinks, easier just to swap the carts and have our own saves.

Then any digital stuff i'll put on mine as it'll be the main one in the lounge.

You dont have to buy then twice, but it can only be installed on one system at a time. So no multi-use license like with Ps4 and primary system set up

 

[Marty Chinn]

You dont have to buy then twice, but it can only be installed on one system at a time. So no multi-use license like with Ps4 and primary system set up

How does it know though?

 

[Shiggy]

You dont have to buy then twice, but it can only be installed on one system at a time. So no multi-use license like with Ps4 and primary system set up

So how does the unlinking work?

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

All your saves are now the property of Nintendo.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Saves being on the Switch only is probably an anti-piracy measure. Thats my guess at least. Same reason why they dont have a browser. Same reason why Sony bundled the game and save together on Vita, so that people couldnt mess around with save game exploits. You could backup saves (with the game included) on Vita to a PC, and cloud (save game only) is also available.

If there's anything anyone should have learned from the Vita it's that system security does very little to assuage the annoyance of consumers when it results in massive inconveniences like storage issues and losing saves. Nintendo really does need to sort this out quick and if the only solution ends up being cloud saves locked behind a service, then they've fucked up. Not too worried about it now, but this is an issue that needs a solution, not an explanation.

 

[Man Called Aerodynamics]

Wow, so bad. This is something I've become totally used to now with Xbox One. You log in, your saves are there, period.

 

[Shin-Ra]

I remember trying to back up my Wind Waker HD saves, thinking I must be missing something obvious, but no.

Cloud backup isn't the solution, either.

 

[gortsi]

So the same thing if you're not a PS Plus subscriber? What exactly is the problem?

 

[LProtag]

My biggest fear is that my Switch has some dead pixels, and I really want to play Zelda, but then all my progress is gone if I get it replaced.

 

[KingSnake]

So the same thing if you're not a PS Plus subscriber? What exactly is the problem?

Can't you just copy your saves on an USB drive from PS4?

 

[gortsi]

Can't you just copy your saves on an USB drive from PS4?

You're right, my apologies. It's still possible for the USB to fail though, so still not as safe as cloud saves. I do hope Nintendo implements it sometime in the future

 

[Marty Chinn]

You're right, my apologies. It's still possible for the USB to fail though, so still not as safe as cloud saves. I do hope Nintendo implements it sometime in the future

Umm, you can then take the data on the USB and put it in the cloud too rather than wondering if the USB drive will fail.

 

[jon bones]

My biggest fear is that my Switch has some dead pixels, and I really want to play Zelda, but then all my progress is gone if I get it replaced.

has anyone got a system with dead pixels?

 

[LProtag]

has anyone got a system with dead pixels?

No clue, but I have horrible luck with them and laptops, so if anyone will it's me.

 

[TLZ]

I don't care much about save transfer but I'd want my saves kept safe in the cloud somewhere. I thought that was happening?

Even more reason to leave this until Christmas.

 

[epmode]

Ok, but you can definitely have multiple users on a Switch, and a user can take their digital library to a new device now, right?

Was this confirmed? The bit about downloading your own digital library on another console (without having to call Nintendo). Has someone actually done it?

 

[PhilipDoesMatter]

This console is simply not ready.

 

[Minsc]

Was this confirmed? The bit about downloading your own digital library on another console (without having to call Nintendo). Has someone actually done it?

I mean I thought I read a whole thread that you no longer need to involve Nintendo... like this one. Or this too (says up to 8 accounts per Switch). And it's come up a few times in other recent threads where people have said stuff like you no longer need to involve the police to redownload your game library, etc. Plus the whole thing with that new company handling the online system or something, it's slipping my mind, but people were reassuring that it was a good thing.

It would have to be an option in the Switch, to unlink and login as an existing account though, and not have to call Nintendo. So we should definitely know tomorrow, if we don't already. The idea of still needing to call someone on a phone to download purchased software... hard to believe.

 

[epmode]

I mean I thought I read a whole thread that you no longer need to involve Nintendo... like this one. Or this too (says up to 8 accounts per Switch). And it's come up a few times in other recent threads where people have said stuff like you no longer need to involve the police to redownload your game library, etc. Plus the whole thing with that new company handling the online system or something, it's slipping my mind, but people were reassuring that it was a good thing.

There are a lot of assumptions about this but there hasn't been any confirmation by Nintendo. And no one has apparently tested it now that the eShop is online.

I'd like to know for sure so I can cancel my Zelda order and buy it straight from the eShop, but not if I have to deal with Nintendo's worst-in-industry DRM or whatever you call it.

 

[mindatlarge]

Nintendo could benefit by reflecting on the saying "it's the little things in life".

 

[nampad]

This is just ridiculous. I wonder how long it will take them.

 

[ggx2ac]

If they don't allow backing up your save files, it'd be problematic if you lost your Switch.

If they're not going to let you back it up on your microSD card to then copy it to your PC like the 3DS, they should at least give cloud saving for the convenience.

 

[notaskwid]

You're right, my apologies. It's still possible for the USB to fail though, so still not as safe as cloud saves. I do hope Nintendo implements it sometime in the future

What do you mean fail? The cloud can also 'fail'. What's guaranteed to fail is no option at all.
The vita also had this shit of saves tied to the game, but at least the cloud was there from day one.

 

[Cindro]

If they're omitting something as crucial as cloud saves, especially when data doesn't even save to the cart, I have just about the lowest of hopes that they'll revamp the VC into anything modern and reasonable when it launches.

Two steps forward, one step back. As usual.