Have Martian scientologists maintained a presence in the region, despite numerous attempts of exile and genocide by enemies, over thousands of years? Also by 'carved out a state' I can only assume you mean 'became one of the first states in the world to have been legally created by an international body'.
Legally carved out by an international body maybe. I just hope that we've all learnt our lesson and don't decide to try it again in the future.
The lack of condemnation of Hamas (there is but it's not as severe) comes down to "terrorists gonna terrorist", in that we expect that from them and so it falls under the general umbrella of "terrorism is bad please don't do it". Israel on the other hand likes to portray themselves as better than that, so they invite condemnation when they fail to live up to those standards.
I am not sidestepping anything and I recognise the conflict is an issue of land ownership. But in terms of history, there were enough massacres of Jews prior to the founding of the state of Israel, and numerous examples of compliance with the Nazis to show that the root cause of antisemitism in the middle east cannot reasonably be identified as the creation of Israel. And in modern times, the actual words of those who fight against Israel leave no doubt that it is not simply the actions of Jews but the existence of Jews that motivates their hate. Nothing I have said has implied that there wouldn't be problems if it were another group who returned en masse to the region, fleeing persecution. If people used such a pretext to murder scientologist children instead, it would just be racist terror under another name. My above reply was because your comparison lacked the nuances of the actual situation - that Jews had never entirely left the region, we're living in a forced exile, and had no problem with a Palestinian state alongside it's own.
So Pakistan and India, among other places, were a mistake we should never repeat?
700,000 people were displaced from their homes in 1948, and while you can argue who and what caused them to flee, it's beyond doubt who prevented them from going back to their homes, and that's Israel.
Partly true and certainly regrettable, I feel for all the displaced. Just like I feel for the greater number who were exiled from their homes in middle eastern countries at the same time. Of course, they had a new home country to flee to, where they could start afresh without a penny to their names, but the Arab refugees were kept as political pawns in camps by the ashamed and defeated Arab countries. If only their rulers had accepted the UN plan, they too would have at least had a homeland to live in. So yes, I feel for them, but I also think their anger should have been equally directed at the Arab rulers who created the situation.
First of all, two wrong don't make a right.
Rulers?
I could have been clearer. The leaders of the Arab countries who persuaded hundreds of thousands to leave their homes with the promise they could return as soon as Israel was annihilated. And the rulers of their adopted countries which, with the eventual partial exception of Jordan, refused them citizenship and in most cases have resigned generations of them to refugee camps.
First of all, this is not an accurate description of the Palestinian displacement in 1948.
Thanks, I try my best, I sometime get carried away, don't take it personally.
You're right and that's why I said hundreds of thousands and not all - just a sizable proportion. We should also mention the many who simply sold their land because they were offered good deal. This is how most of the immigrants prior to 1948 got their land, without bloodshed on any side.
I hear your point, but those very leaders had prevented a Palestinian state forming alongside the Jewish one in the first place. Of course, there would have been plenty of Arabs in what became Israel who would not have wanted to leave, but there would have been nothing akin to the real refugee problem that did in fact occur had the treaty not been rejected.
Of course, and I'm just the same. I just wish everyone could agree to focus their energy on solving the current problem and building bridges between communities instead of listing up grievances!Thanks, I try my best, I sometime get carried away, don't take it personally.
Do something about it then? I organised an event at university to raise awareness about child soldiers in Africa, what have you done?
Err, the leaders of soon-to-be Pakistan and India Jinnah, Nehru, Sardar Patel, Maulana Azad all wanted a Pakistan. Only Gandhi didn't, but reluctantly agreed. Where were the Arab leaders during the creation of Israel?
The cries of 'we are in danger' also come from the Israeli children jumping under their desks every time the siren sounds in the hopes they don't end up the next statistic, like the last kid whose school bus was turned into dust by your so called 'metal scraps with a fuse'. But you have already shown disregard for Israeli children and look how long it took you to grudging concede these murders probably deserve some sort of condemnation, after a diatribe about 'apologists'.
Another Amjad thread
When Hamas stop attacking maybe Israel will stop attacking.
Who wants to go first?
Yeah, I thought so. Neither party can let their guard down in this horrible stalemate.
Fuck off, we're full!
