Freezie KO
Banned
Isn't Hamas part of the unity government?
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Third Palestinian dead as search for 3 missing teenagers go on
- Thread starter dripdripsplash
- Start date
- Status
Isn't Hamas part of the unity government?
That's exactly what happened in the Annapolis process in 2007-2008. The end was this proposal by former Israeli PM Olmert:
To be fair the Palestinians did not outright reject this deal but when Olmert told Abbas "let's sign this now" he got cold feet. This was a fair and honest offer and the Palestinian leadership was frankly foolish to reject it.
How was it a facade? Israel pulled out and evicted everyone out of there. The blockade only came after the Hamas government was formed. The failure of the Gaza pullout more than anything else is the reason why the Israeli public has swung more to the right. The formula of giving out land for peace failed because the territories given were used as a base for further attacks against Israel. The fear something similar will happen in the West Bank is the main argument against reaching a deal there. Sure, the Palestinian Authority are a comparatively nice bunch but so was the (similarly) American-funded Iraqi army which was easily destroyed by a determined Islamist force. If the West Bank falls to some sort of terror organization after an Israeli withdrawal the geography is such that terrorists can completely disable life in the main Israeli population centers, which will obviously prompt the known cycle of harsh retaliation, unintended civilian casualties, international condemnation etc.
The peace agreements Israel has with its neighbours are tenuous at best. Egypt was already close to annulling the Camp David accords (without giving back Sinai to Israel obviously) after the revolution, the regime in Jordan is at a constant risk of collapse, the Palestinian Authority was routed out of Gaza and in light of recent events any peace deal with Syria (which was not far off at some points) would have been a major mistake. You guys keep condemning Israel for occupying the West Bank, and the truth is that much if not most of the Israeli public agrees it should end - just not if ending it means committing national suicide.
m_shortpants
Member
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28124329
17 year old Palestinian found dead and mutilated after being abducted
17 year old Palestinian found dead and mutilated after being abducted
theignoramus
Member
Another Amjad thread
When Hamas stop attacking maybe Israel will stop attacking.
Who wants to go first?
Yeah, I thought so. Neither party can let their guard down in this horrible stalemate.
eh, we've had extended periods of time when almost no rockets have been launched from Gaza and Israel's bombed some person of interest they want dead, triggering a new round of rocket fire. I distinctly remember the Gaza bombardment of 2008/09 starting that way with the temporary "cease fire" being shattered by Israel carrying out a bombing raid in Gaza the night of the US presidential election.
Then their PR people went to the English speaking press and complained about the years of terrorist rocket fire and how every country has the right to protect its citizens. I believe the accurate term for that is chutzpah.
If my memory serves me right, I think a similar stunt was pulled in 2006, when Israel sent soldiers into Gaza, kidnapped some doctor, triggered a retaliatory salvo of rocket fire, then carried out a major air campaign, again in the name of self defense.
| Praxis |
Banned
Just seen this on the news. This whole tit for tat revenge mentality is dumb as fuck. Both sides should be ashamed.
BruiserBear
Banned
Killing lots of Palestinians while they search for three missing Israelis. Sounds like typical Israel.
Cheesecakebobby
Banned
Find the perpetrators, throw them in a pit together with whoever kidnapped and murdered the Jewish boys and let whoever survives rot while surrounded by the body parts of the other.
Israel has already arrest over 50 suspect of the killing of the Palestinian teenagers
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.602557
Notice that most of them that has been arrest are from Israel. Tell me, Would Hamas react the same way if a jewish teen got killed by a mob?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.602557
Notice that most of them that has been arrest are from Israel. Tell me, Would Hamas react the same way if a jewish teen got killed by a mob?
cartoon_soldier
Member
Hamas is a terrorist organization. Israel is not right?
Why then equate how a terrorist organization would react vs. how a democractic government would react.
If all governments asked themselves"What would Hamas do" before reacting to a situation we would be in WW 28192 by now.
theignoramus
Member
Hopefully those 50 suspects dont get the treatment Israel dishes out to its Palestinian prisoners.
phalestine
aka iby.h
Your problem is you're trying to justify something that should not be justified. If Israel is so great, why do they oppress a entire country?? Why do they deny millions of Palestinians basic human rights??
dripdripsplash
Member
I'm sure that all these Palestinian detaines will be getting a fair and level headed handling by the Israeli police and soldiers.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=612110658873168
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=612110658873168
Don't forget to throw in the Israeli snipers who killed the two kids back in may for no reason.
Freezie KO
Banned
Hamas is both a terrorist organization and part of the Palestinian government. So...
Pollux
Member
They should have accepted the Olmert peace plan. There's simply no excuse for it and everyone would be better off.
That proposal actually looks really reasonable - why was it rejected?
Miles Quaritch
Member
Weren't those 50 arrested rioters and not linked to the murder? The same ones shouting 'death to Arabs'?
I'm sure you all know this, but there are many Israelis who don't believe there should be any sort of "revenge" acts and that this whole charade is frankly disgusting. I don't think they're even that small a minority (in my area they're certainly the overwhelming majority but we're not the only ones who get to vote).
There was an anti-violence/retribution protest in Jerusalem ( http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4537255,00.html ) that had presence of the more left-wing politicans as well.
Just a friendly reminder that not everyone's an extremist, not that it makes anything any better.
There was an anti-violence/retribution protest in Jerusalem ( http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4537255,00.html ) that had presence of the more left-wing politicans as well.
Just a friendly reminder that not everyone's an extremist, not that it makes anything any better.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Yeah, there was a really good interview on Channel 4 news with someone who I think was the cousin of one of those murdered (I only caught the tail end of the interview, but it sounded like he was the cousin) and while you'd expect him to be angry and upset, he was actually very well composed and said now is the time for peace and for people to not meet violence with violence,
The city of Ariel was a serious problem.
They didn't agree on the number of Palestines that could return to their homes on Israeli territory.
The American presidential elections and insecurity about which party would win.
Olmert was getting kicked out of power.
Hamas is only classed a terrorist organisation because they don't rule a sovereign state. The IDF would ceirtanly be a terrorist organisation if they weren't the army of a sovereign state. I don't think the comparisons are completely unwarranted, especially as they show similar behaviour time after time.
Maybe they shouldn't resist arrest.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Olmert was a a super duper lame duck. It was never gonna fly in the Israeli Knesset
theignoramus
Member
Hamas are an unsavoury group, the but the US and Israel and the rest of Western Europe have done business with worse. And whatever ideological problem they have with Hamas and their anti-semitism, one need only look to the US and Israel's main man Mahmoud Abbas, whose a Holocaust denier and wrote his damn doctoral dissertation on it.
dripdripsplash
Member
True. Here is another arab savage also resisting arrest. Glad the Israeli soldier acted in a responsible and level headed way to diffuse the tense situation.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=679624815447756
Some Israeli friends are posting this story on social media saying the government knew the kids were dead.
http://972mag.com/how-the-public-was-manipulated-into-believing-the-teens-were-alive/92865/
http://972mag.com/how-the-public-was-manipulated-into-believing-the-teens-were-alive/92865/
Murder. She Wrote
Member
I was looking for this thread. What kinds of people would burn alive a teenage boy? The sheer amount of anger and ignorance it takes to do something like that is mind boggling.
This makes me sick. Whoever did this is messed up in the head. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a defence force for this murder as well on GAF.
Israel is collectively punishing all Palestinians for the murders of those three Israeli teens, so does that mean all Israelis are open to being collectively punished for the murder of the Palestinian teen?
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
Why the Western Natuons supporting Israil again, they're as bad as ISIS in terms of killing teenagers
do you truly believe what you just said, or you just don't know any better and you're here to throw some random anti-Israel comment?
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
No clean hands.
This wasn't gonna fly with Israel anyway. But even if it was, I imagine the Palestinians are not too thrilled to give up flat agricultural land for 151 square kilometers of scorching desert and another 100 near Gaza. The land that is taken away is in close proximity to existing Palestinian cities and in some cases they completely surround them.
Not really. Take a look at how many cities that Palestine loses compared to Israel. Also agricultural land vs desert land....
Also giving up Jerusalem to Israel...
They say a picture is worth a thousands word
I'm pretty sure the boy being held in that picture is a settler.
m_shortpants
Member
Is the US going to do anything about the 15 year old American Citizen who got beaten up by Israeli forces? Or is Israel immune ala Rachel Corrie?
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
SniperHunter
Banned
What about this pic
I suppose that's a settler in a scarf
horrible
RustyNails
Member
Settlers are truly vile, racist scum.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
What about this pic
I suppose that's a settler in a scarf
I think settlers are scummy as hell, but without context that picture doesn't really tell you what is going on. It's probably best to also post a link to the story with a picture like that. Leaves room for doubt without it.
phalestine
aka iby.h
Saw the video of the 15 year old being beat up. Idf must feel really tough beating on a unconscious unarmed 15 year old boy. Truly disgusting, really made me angry looking at it.
BaronLundi
Member
Gut wrenching news. How can you burn a kid alive? Or anyone for that matter ? How can ANYTHING justify such a vile action ?
Disgusting. I wish I see the day "settlers" are sent away.
Between that, Iraq, Syria, Nigeria and the news that a romani kid was almost beaten up to death in retribution for a fucking burglary not 20 minutes from where I live, I'm starting to give up any hope that this world isn't irremediably fucked.
Congratulations on proving with that picture of someone punching a woman that Israel is as bad as ISIS which has killed thousands in a few months. Really convincing, useful and apt comparison...
Disgusting. I wish I see the day "settlers" are sent away.
Between that, Iraq, Syria, Nigeria and the news that a romani kid was almost beaten up to death in retribution for a fucking burglary not 20 minutes from where I live, I'm starting to give up any hope that this world isn't irremediably fucked.
What about this pic
I suppose that's a settler in a scarf
Congratulations on proving with that picture of someone punching a woman that Israel is as bad as ISIS which has killed thousands in a few months. Really convincing, useful and apt comparison...
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked