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[qindarka]

That's too bad, but I want to see it even if it ended up being a mess haha.

Also loooooooooooooool at some of these imdb Elsa fans.

"The way she touches her fair tresses with those delicate fingers is so deeply affecting. You can't help but want to protect her and take care of her. "

KILLING ME.

Oh, you came across those fanatics, I see.

I've seen a lot of their posts and they are unhealthily obsessed with Elsa, frequently calling her the greatest Disney character ever, most beautiful Disney Princess, etc. This wouldn't be so annoying on it's own were it not for their bizarre dislike of Anna. They are also remarkably homogenous as a group, probably had a lot to do with them dogpiling and driving away people who challenged their opinions, there has been more variety on the boards as the release date grows closer though.

And man, you should have seen the tantrum they threw upon first discovering the spoilers.

Spoiler

They had spent a lot of time happily shipping Elsa with Hans and upon that being sunk, a lot of them said that they didn't feel like watching the film any longer due to it being unfair that Elsa did not have a love interest while her lame sister did.

They also seem to harbour a dislike of all post Lion King Disney films, barring Tangled, with one of them referring to films like Hunchback, Mulan etc as 'exercises in political correctness'. They frequently call out political correctness in general, though I can symphatise with this. The crazies on Tumblr really did have a field day with this film. (The events on Tumblr can fill a very long post on its own).

That said, they do often have genuine insights, especially in regards to cultural references so I do appreciate their contributions even as I am annoyed by their many, many blind spots.

This review by a Tumblr user (who may not actually post on IMDB but certainly shares the same opinions and is frequently referenced by them) sums their POV up, really.

(MAJOR SPOILERS)

http://kioewen.tumblr.com/post/66569882871/extended-review-of-frozen-elsa-is-everything

And this list of Top 10 Frozen moments, all concerning Elsa and none featuring Anna, naturally:

http://kioewen.tumblr.com/post/66893813297/the-top-ten-finest-scenes-in-frozen-with-frozen

 

[Leeness]

Oh, you came across those fanatics, I see.

I've seen a lot of their posts and they are unhealthily obsessed with Elsa, frequently calling her the greatest Disney character ever, most beautiful Disney Princess, etc. This wouldn't be so annoying on it's own were it not for their bizarre dislike of Anna. They are also remarkably homogenous as a group, probably had a lot to do with them dogpiling and driving away people who challenged their opinions, there has been more variety on the boards as the release date grows closer though.

And man, you should have seen the tantrum they threw upon first discovering the spoilers.

Spoiler

They had spent a lot of time happily shipping Elsa with Hans and upon that being sunk, a lot of them said that they didn't feel like watching the film any longer due to it being unfair that Elsa did not have a love interest while her lame sister did.

They also seem to harbour a dislike of all post Lion King Disney films, barring Tangled, with one of them referring to films like Hunchback, Mulan etc as 'exercises in political correctness'. They frequently call out political correctness in general, though I can symphatise with this. The crazies on Tumblr really did have a field day with this film. (The events on Tumblr can fill a very long post on its own).

That said, they do often have genuine insights, especially in regards to cultural references so I do appreciate their contributions even as I am annoyed by their many, many blind spots.

This review by a Tumblr user (who may not actually post on IMDB but certainly shares the same opinions and is frequently referenced by them) sums their POV up, really.

(MAJOR SPOILERS)

http://kioewen.tumblr.com/post/66569882871/extended-review-of-frozen-elsa-is-everything

And this list of Top 10 Frozen moments, all concerning Elsa and none featuring Anna, naturally:

http://kioewen.tumblr.com/post/66893813297/the-top-ten-finest-scenes-in-frozen-with-frozen

HAHAHAHAHA I think that reviewer is the same one I quoted above, note the similar wording (~clutches her tresses~). Also that's the longest "review" ever. I gave up pretty quickly.

And yeah, I was on imdb when people were finding out the ending and asking when Let It Go was in the film so they could STORM OUT after the song. Lol. So funny.

Spoiler

And yeah, the Hans stuff is bizarre. Even now, I see a few posts about how "even though he's evil, you can still see the courageous, noble heart within him and perhaps someday, Elsa will reform him!"

o ok

Edit: "Elsa’s most beautiful look in the entire film. Bathed in celestial light filtered through the ice of her palace, she resembles a living angel."

I almost choked on my soup. This person is hilarious.

 

[7Th]

Tangled would have been better if they had been more daring with the antagonist's relationship to Rapunzel; they had the chance to not write her as completely one-dimensional and they didn't take it.

 

[Boss Doggie]

That's not a typical Pixar girl though. Pixar actually do have a fairly wide range of diversity in their female characters. Compared to WDAS, they are more willing to exaggerate proportions.

Examples:

I'd say that most of the characters in Tangled were more interesting than Facilier who received too little screen-time to make a proper impression.

I'd argue that Colette looks typical, and while I like Elastigirl's design she suffers from Hartman Hips (not that I mind).

Tangled would have been better if they had been more daring with the antagonist's relationship to Rapunzel; they had the chance to not write her as completely one-dimensional and they didn't take it.

I thought it was pretty much implied she really didn't care about Rapunzel.

Hell, the opening scene alone - when she was singing with Rapunzel in the flashback, she was solely caressing her hair and kissing it.

 

[Krev]

And yeah, yeah, of course Disney are going to hype up their own films with references to previous films of theirs. Why bring Spirited Away into this? If we are going to bring in random references to show how cultured we are, I'll join in and say that Spirited Away wasn't even the best animated film of it's year, that honour going to Millennium Actress.

Beat Miyazaki vs best Kon. I'll go with the Miyazaki.

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

Another video review – “The best f***ing character in this movie is Olaf!”

This review by a Tumblr user (who may not actually post on IMDB but certainly shares the same opinions and is frequently referenced by them) sums their POV up, really.

(MAJOR SPOILERS)

http://kioewen.tumblr.com/post/66569882871/extended-review-of-frozen-elsa-is-everything

And this list of Top 10 Frozen moments, all concerning Elsa and none featuring Anna, naturally:

http://kioewen.tumblr.com/post/66893813297/the-top-ten-finest-scenes-in-frozen-with-frozen

I’ve actually read that review before and it’s surprisingly well written, but yeah, the diehard Elsa fans over on the imdb boards are pretty odd. "Elsa is Jesus" is a topic. Yeah.....

 

[qindarka]

I’ve actually read that review before and it’s surprisingly well written, but yeah, the diehard Elsa fans over on the imdb boards are pretty odd. "Elsa is Jesus" is a topic. Yeah.....

I'm pretty sure that thread was started as a joke. Folks over there are pretty bad at detecting troll topics though as can be seen in the "Thank God 2D is dead!!!" topic posted recently.

And from the same author as that review I posted earlier, a list of 15 mistakes that Frozen could potentially have made but didn't.

http://kioewen.tumblr.com/post/67175639836/the-top-fifteen-mistakes-that-frozen-didnt-make. (MAJOR SPOILERS)

Again, it is very interesting for the genuine insights it contains but also espouses sentiments that could easily be perceived to be disturbing.

 

[Violet_0]

from the sound of it this Elsa character is the new Disney waifu

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

from the sound of it this Elsa character is the new Disney waifu

Indeed.

 

[Dennis]

Elsa.

You want to protect her and take care of her.

 

[Twilight Gap]

I will watch just for her.

 

[socialQ]

cgi looks amazing

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

Is it ok with everyone if I do the OT for this?

 

[qindarka]

Is it ok with everyone if I do the OT for this?

Sure. Go ahead, I suck at graphics and would have preferred not to do it in any case.

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

Sure. Go ahead, I suck at graphics and would have preferred not to do it in any case.

Cheers man. It'll probably be up on the 20th.....just don't expect anything overly fancy! : P

 

[Leeness]

Again, it is very interesting for the genuine insights it contains but also espouses sentiments that could easily be perceived to be disturbing.

I found a lot of her "leftist marxist" hate comments really weird. Like there were some pieces where she was talking about the "good ol' days" when a Disney girl could be a vulnerable damsel in distress and nothing more and how Frozen has "tricked" all those "stupid feminists" by hiding Elsa's vulnerable femininity behind plot.

It's super weird and kind of uncomfortable. :/

Cheers man. It'll probably be up on the 20th.....just don't expect anything overly fancy! : P

Will subscribe.

 

[qindarka]

I found a lot of her "leftist marxist" hate comments really weird. Like there were some pieces where she was talking about the "good ol' days" when a Disney girl could be a vulnerable damsel in distress and nothing more and how Frozen has "tricked" all those "stupid feminists" by hiding Elsa's vulnerable femininity behind plot.

It's super weird and kind of uncomfortable. :/

They do often have points about how pop culture's attempts at progressiveness can come across as forced and false. And I do think they are right that traditional feminine characters still have a place, as long as they are not the only sort of female portrayal. But, yes, they do veer too far in dismissing the whole cause of social justice.

 

[Leeness]

They do often have points about how pop culture's attempts at progressiveness can come across as forced and false. And I do think they are right that traditional feminine characters still have a place, as long as they are not the only sort of female portrayal. But, yes, they do veer too far in dismissing the whole cause of social justice.

True true. They just weird me out haha.

Young girls looking up to strong princesses is a good thing!

 

[GCX]

Queen - Innuendo

 

[qindarka]

Queen - Innuendo

???

Anyway, new set of reviews:

Confidently written and positively spilling over with charm, "Frozen," co-directed by Chris Buck and Jennifer Lee, belongs on a shelf right there next to "Beauty" and "Mermaid" and "The Lion King" as one of the most effective expressions of the Disney ideal as possible.

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captur...y-musical-told-on-a-grand-and-beautiful-scale

With likable characters, memorable songs, and gorgeous scenery this movie is emotional and relatable, with just a handful of crucially cringe-worthy moments that thaw the overall satisfaction it delivers.

http://www.insidethemagic.net/2013/...y-adventure-thats-a-sure-fire-disney-classic/

The film comes together beautifully. There is no story lag and the movie keeps moving forward. The animation is beautiful and the snow looks alive and at times acts as a character in the movie.

http://www.sasakitime.com/2013/11/movie-review-disney-frozen.html

To cut back to the chase, Frozen is a triumph: a musically thrilling, narratively gripping, gleefully enthralling feat of animated excellence. It’s the best Disney film since The Lion King and, yes, it is the best animated film of the year.

http://www.a113animation.com/2013/11/frozen-review-believe-hype.html

Despite occasional, welcome commentary about the backwards themes of Disney Princess movies past, Frozen is a sincere addition to the canon, with lovable performances, gorgeous animation, impressive songs and an unusual take on a familiar type of story, one that thrills at all the right moments, but not for the reasons that we’re used to. I suspect it will thaw the iciest cynic and cool the most heated detractors of the Disney fairy tale genre. Frozen really is a beautiful and unique snowflake… reminiscent of the rest, but really, there’s nothing quite like it.

http://www.craveonline.com/film/reviews/605501

Here is the best Disney musical to be released in years and even decades and one that the company should build on and move forward with. ”Frozen” is going to warm your heart, make you think, have you laughing, and have you wanting to see it again and again.

http://www.examiner.com/review/frozen-review-disney-releases-its-best-animated-musical-over-20-years

but thankfully, true love can seemingly melt even the hardest of hearts, and this tale of sisterly love is certain to send the frostiest of audiences away smiling.

http://www.theupcoming.co.uk/2013/11/17/frozen-movie-review/

Mind, many of this come from Disney fansites or Disney fans, who may well be biased.


I believe another major embargo breaks by tomorrow which should usher in an influx of reviews and I'll probably stop posting them then.

 

[Dice]

Bolt was fucking fantastic
Tangled was fucking fantastic

I'm ready for this.

 

[Boss Doggie]

As a side argument about "generic 3D woman", making them 2D wouldn't solve the issue. If anything even 2D characters can have a generic look.

 

[Twilight Gap]

Sounding better and better. Now I'm really looking forward to this.

 

[Hari Seldon]

This will be my daughter's first movie going experience. Looking forward to this quite a bit.

 

[erpg]

Can't Disney moderate or mute specific words in comments? It's a little weird to see a top comment with 'fuck' in it under a Disney trailer.

 

[Zeeman]

Disney put up a high quality version of Let It Go: http://waltdisneystudiosawards.com/#/frozen/music/kristen-anderson-lopez

 

[Leeness]

Disney put up a high quality version of Let It Go: http://waltdisneystudiosawards.com/#/frozen/music/kristen-anderson-lopez

 

[lenovox1]

This reaction x 1000.

 

[CyclopsRock]

I saw this last night. It was a good film in the Tangled mould - pleasantly modern and fun with a second half that drops most of the comedy. The ending has one great bit and one slightly duff bit, IMO, but the animation is beautiful and the effects are great. Some of the early interiors look a little rough but otherwise its great.

 

[Christopher]

I saw this last night. It was a good film in the Tangled mould - pleasantly modern and fun with a second half that drops most of the comedy. The ending has one great bit and one slightly duff bit, IMO, but the animation is beautiful and the effects are great. Some of the early interiors look a little rough but otherwise its great.

Give it a score

 

[7Th]

I thought it was pretty much implied she really didn't care about Rapunzel.

Hell, the opening scene alone - when she was singing with Rapunzel in the flashback, she was solely caressing her hair and kissing it.

And that was a waste. They could have done a movie with weight and nuance instead of ending up with a half-cooked final act.

 

[CyclopsRock]

Give it a score

Nah, though I'll say I preferred Tangled slightly but only slightly. And I really enjoyed Tangled.

 

[Christopher]

And that was a waste. They could have done a movie with weight and nuance instead of ending up with a half-cooked final act.

Exactly I felt the third act was really weak the villian just didnt seem to really carry weight
..it was different sure but meh

 

[Twilight Gap]

Tangled would have been better if they had been more daring with the antagonist's relationship to Rapunzel; they had the chance to not write her as completely one-dimensional and they didn't take it.

What do you suggest they could have done?

 

[Incitemaybe]

Disney put up a high quality version of Let It Go: http://waltdisneystudiosawards.com/#/frozen/music/kristen-anderson-lopez

why won't this work for me? When I press play it just takes me to another page :-(

 

[7Th]

What do you suggest they could have done?

Make Mother Gothel gradually care for Rapunzel, ultimately leading to she willingly sacrificing her youth so that her daughter can be free. But that would have been too gray for a movie that wants the audience to be sure the heroine will be much happier with the parents she knows absolutely nothing about. Even an Anastasia-like ending with Rapunzel and Flint running away would have felt more satisfying.

 

[CyclopsRock]

Make Mother Gothel gradually care for Rapunzel, ultimately leading to she willingly sacrificing her youth so that her daughter can be free.

That would have been a totally different film from half way through the first act, though. It sounds interesting, but it sounds more like a psychological thriller given the close proximity they'd need for that 'gradually' to occur over the course of the films narrative, like some sort of inverse Stockholm syndrome. That doesn't really seem appropriate as a 'fix' for the film since it'd change basically everything beyond the first 15 minutes.

 

[Twilight Gap]

Make Mother Gothel gradually care for Rapunzel, ultimately leading to she willingly sacrificing her youth so that her daughter can be free. But that would have been too gray for a movie that wants the audience to be sure the heroine will be much happier with the parents she knows absolutely nothing about. Even an Anastasia-like ending with Rapunzel and Flint running away would have felt more satisfying.

There kinda wouldn't be a Tangled if the mother were willing to sacrifice all the years she spent staying alive. One reason I don't think the movie was "perfect" was because it was inherently based on the premise that the villain was, in fact, 1 dimensional. Her resolve and absolute desire for nothing more than self-preservation gave her character necessary motivation. Anything against this desire would necessitate an almost complete rewrite of the script.

They'd have had to make the mother less of an antagonist and more of an anti hero. Maybe she'd been unable to have a daugther of her own due to a grave illness, but this girl's healing power allowed her to not only be healthy, but to also have that daughter. Then we'd feel somewhat sympathetic but still dislike the decisions she made to keep Rapunzel locked up. Written like this, you could then have her sacrifice herself at the end (though it probably wont be as climatic as Flynn cutting off Rapunzel's hair). Rapunzel could also come to that realization, and then suddenly running away with Flynn or back to her parents doesn't sound as dreamy because she'd be killing the woman who - in her own way - raised her.

It'd be a very different film - probably too deep for Disney - but it's what I'd have done. Why does she want to live forever? People rarely do things "just because", and that's the only problem the mother had.

 

[UrbanRats]

Disney put up a high quality version of Let It Go: http://waltdisneystudiosawards.com/#/frozen/music/kristen-anderson-lopez

Nice.
I think i like I see the light's melody more though, as classic as it is.

I hope this one has a "Kingdom Dance" moment though, easily the highlight of Tangled.

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

Just a heads up, the OT will be up tomorrow.

 

[qindarka]

Make Mother Gothel gradually care for Rapunzel, ultimately leading to she willingly sacrificing her youth so that her daughter can be free. But that would have been too gray for a movie that wants the audience to be sure the heroine will be much happier with the parents she knows absolutely nothing about. Even an Anastasia-like ending with Rapunzel and Flint running away would have felt more satisfying.

The point of the film is about breaking free from oppressive structures, making the film more 'grey' wouldn't improve it at all.

Just a heads up, the OT will be up tomorrow.

Cheers. Have you decided on a title yet? If not, we will just have to go along with 'Tangled on Ice'.

I saw this last night. It was a good film in the Tangled mould - pleasantly modern and fun with a second half that drops most of the comedy. The ending has one great bit and one slightly duff bit, IMO, but the animation is beautiful and the effects are great. Some of the early interiors look a little rough but otherwise its great.

I assume the duff part at the end referred to

Spoiler

Anna punching Hans

? That bit didn't ring too well with me when the first spoilers were leaked.

 

[Owari]

Tangled was terrible, this doesn't look to be any better. Disney needs to go back to 2D animation and leave 3D to Pixar.

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

Cheers. Have you decided on a title yet? If not, we will just have to go along with 'Tangled on Ice'.

Oooh, I like that one. Currently I'm thinking this: Disney’s Frozen [OT] – They Pulled Another Tangled!

Tangled was terrible, this doesn't look to be any better. Disney needs to go back to 2D animation and leave 3D to Pixar.

 

[The Dutch Slayer]

Oooh, I like that one. Currently I'm thinking this: Disney’s Frozen [OT] – They Pulled Another Tangled!

This is better then Tangled on ice.

Looking forward to the OP!

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

This is better then Tangled on ice.

Looking forward to the OP!

: D

 

[qindarka]

Might also be a good idea to mention Get a Horse, the short that will be playing in front of Frozen, which has also garnered early acclaim. It is meant to evoke the style of classic Disney shorts and then to combine the old and the new. Also features the voice of Walt Disney as Mickey.

First minute of it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiTwhXfgHPc

Oooh, I like that one. Currently I'm thinking this: Disney’s Frozen [OT] – They Pulled Another Tangled!

I had first said that as a joke, considering how often the similarities or perceived similarities to Tangled are used to claim that this film is lazy or unimaginative and 'Tangled on Ice' was an annoyingly common way to bash the film.

Tangled is very highly regarded on this forum, though, so it may not be a bad idea after all to reference it, I guess.

Anyway, I just can't resist this, more reviews:

Frozen is both a declaration of Disney’s renewed cultural relevance and a reaffirmation of Disney coming to terms with its own legacy and its own identity. It’s also a just plain terrific bit of family entertainment.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/11/19/review-frozen-is-disneys-best-toon-in-years/

Frozen is a throwback to the quality of the 90s Disney animation renaissance, but with a very modern feel. It straddles the classic and the current in a way that will delight Disney geeks of all stripes, and its wonderfully girl-powered story melted the heart of even a Disney cynic like me.

http://badassdigest.com/2013/11/18/frozen-movie-review-a-new-classic-disney-animated-musical/

The animation is gorgeous. The songs are soaring. There is real Disney magic here. And it’s subverting much of what the Disney magic of old was spinning. Progress! And it goes down very easy.

http://www.flickfilosopher.com/2013/11/frozen-review-chills.html

Sometimes great artistry comes from coloring inside the lines.

http://screencrush.com/frozen-review/

 

[piratepwnsninja]

I know my daughter is going to absolutely love this. I can't lie, I'm going to as well.

 

[7Th]

There kinda wouldn't be a Tangled if the mother were willing to sacrifice all the years she spent staying alive. One reason I don't think the movie was "perfect" was because it was inherently based on the premise that the villain was, in fact, 1 dimensional. Her resolve and absolute desire for nothing more than self-preservation gave her character necessary motivation. Anything against this desire would necessitate an almost complete rewrite of the script.

They'd have had to make the mother less of an antagonist and more of an anti hero. Maybe she'd been unable to have a daugther of her own due to a grave illness, but this girl's healing power allowed her to not only be healthy, but to also have that daughter. Then we'd feel somewhat sympathetic but still dislike the decisions she made to keep Rapunzel locked up. Written like this, you could then have her sacrifice herself at the end (though it probably wont be as climatic as Flynn cutting off Rapunzel's hair). Rapunzel could also come to that realization, and then suddenly running away with Flynn or back to her parents doesn't sound as dreamy because she'd be killing the woman who - in her own way - raised her.

It'd be a very different film - probably too deep for Disney - but it's what I'd have done. Why does she want to live forever? People rarely do things "just because", and that's the only problem the mother had.

The big problem with Gothel as a one-dimensional antagonist is that despite everything she still raised Rapunzel; the likeable character known as Rapunzel is a direct result of Gothel's parenting. Was she really such a terrible human being? The movie doesn't consider the implications of its set-up, at all.

 

[Winnie the Pimp]

Hmmm surprised at all the great impressions and Tangled comparisons...

Frozen is currently sitting at a rather low 6.2 IMDB rating while Tangled stays way on top with a great 7.8! Usually these scores tend to go lower with time which would make Frozen a pretty terrible film ( that is if you chose to give weight to IMDB scores) ...

Personally, i'll await more impressions before deciding on whether to go watch this one or not!

 

[qindarka]

Hmmm surprised at all the great impressions and Tangled comparisons...

Frozen is currently sitting at a rather low 6.2 IMDB rating while Tangled stays way on top with a great 7.8! Usually these scores tend to go lower with time which would make Frozen a pretty terrible film ( that is if you chose to give weight to IMDB scores) ...

Personally, i'll await more impressions before deciding on whether to go watch this one or not!

An IMDB rating based on 100 ratings and likely based on trolls and marketing. When the early reception I have noticed on Twitter, several other forums and critics have been hugely positive.

Edit: And the IMDB rating is up to 6.8 now, was at 5.8 only 12 or so hours ago, just to show how meaningless it all is.