This Bill O'Reilly talking points memo
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Ingueferroque
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How is his message racist?
It might be wrong, poorly worded or overly simplified.. but I don't see how it is racist.
How are we supposed to have this discussion if everyone is going to throw the R word around?
freenudemacusers
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fedora and flannel suit
oneils
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Snort.
Dude goes HAM on racists.
Air Zombie Meat
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What a convenient set of viewpoints for him to take. Almost as if he had an agenda.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
He did a followup video or somethin'
http://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=556&vid=880310020969520385#play
http://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=556&vid=880310020969520385#play
Angelus Errare
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Basically what Bill O'Reilly is saying is "Yea we fucked up with the whole slavery thing, and then the segregation and now the institutionalized racism...but black people you need to get it together."
I'm sure every closet racist has reposted this video several times on their facebook. Confirmation biased based grin as they click the "post" button.
I'm sure every closet racist has reposted this video several times on their facebook. Confirmation biased based grin as they click the "post" button.
oneils
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I don't know about racist, but very single point he made in that video was irrelevant to the Trayvon killing.
PhoenixDark
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He's certainly right about the destruction of the black family, but then he dismisses education, ready access to guns, and poverty as if they have nothing to do with any of this. If only black girls would stop fucking and the black kids would wear uniforms at school, everything would be fine!
Who's going to pay for the uniforms.
Who's going to pay for the uniforms.
Boom Boom Pow
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it's niggardly i tell you. niggardly!
CharminUltra
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Oh hey, it's Bill being a bigoted buffoon. Again.
freenudemacusers
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made me say ugh
Indeed it is. And honestly, I can't disagree with Bill.
Angelus Errare
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lawlohwhat
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Stupid argument for the most part... More pull yourself up by the bootstraps nonsense.
There were a couple of good points in there though, especially some of the stuff about the mainstream entertainment industry, but he presents it in such a vacuum that the argument becomes meaningless. The personal irony being of course that oreilly has made his entire career running a trashy tv show on a trashy tabloid news network.
There were a couple of good points in there though, especially some of the stuff about the mainstream entertainment industry, but he presents it in such a vacuum that the argument becomes meaningless. The personal irony being of course that oreilly has made his entire career running a trashy tv show on a trashy tabloid news network.
It simplifies a complicated result of systemic racism and poverty exacerbated through a series of cultural movements and collective political choices.
My girlfriend worked in a west Baltimore hospital two years ago, and she had a pretty heavy conversation with one of the nurses there (who was one of the subjects of David Simon's The Corner). The way she framed the large number of children out of wedlock is that "there's no hope for these girls." It's not about not understanding contraception. Education and access can be better, but it's largely there. It's the lack of hope for something better than their station in life, so having a child is seen as a status symbol, an actual sense of purpose. There's no expectation that the man in your life will be a part of the child's life.
That was the most poignant story I've heard, and it's terrible that we have this level of despair in this country.
Then you're just as ignorant as he is.
Mighty Chin
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What's funny about all that stuff about the black women having babies is that the black birthrate has gone down over the years.
And you can really see how out of touch people are with rap music when people you see people still harping on gangsta rap. It's as if nobody listens to Wale, J. Cole, Drake, or Kendrick Lemar.
And you can really see how out of touch people are with rap music when people you see people still harping on gangsta rap. It's as if nobody listens to Wale, J. Cole, Drake, or Kendrick Lemar.
Slightly improved.
Ivan A Nguyen
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It's good to see someone who wants women to stop having kids when they are young to also be a part of the party that's preventing those same women access to health services and education that is proven to do just that.
freenudemacusers
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bill o'reilly is a cartoon.Considering he isn't ignorant, I take that as a compliment
it's amazing how nobody connects these very large dots.
Well. Rap is crap, no doubt.
Buuuuuut, its a symptom of the problem, not the cause.
Rap grew out of the ghettos and the shitty lives they lead, it didnt lead to those lives.
Gangsta didnt become a thing because people wanted to be like 2pac. Gangsta was already a thing in their communities, because they were already screwed.
And honestly, the 'personal responsiblity' shit is the biggest load of arse since john candy.
The fact is, it isnt culture, it isnt bad choices, that keep black people behind the 8 ball.
Its endemic racism and being outsiders in their own land. Passing a civil rights bill and letting them vote doesnt undo all the problems in the wider culture, which is just as problematic to black youth.
No one is born in a vacuum, and the fact is, in the USA today, if you had a choice, being born black (Maybe native American too) is the last thing youd choose.
Simplsitic answers for simplstic people who dont think anything is their fault ever, and that racism ended when whats his face said stuff about dreaming.
No one chooses to be poor. Bill didnt choose to become a rich blabbering vagina.
Ignoring the abundant number of factors that work on people as they are born and grow, and going for the simplistic 'culture!' 'rap!' 'personal responsibility' makes you look dumb.
Rap is crap, but its got nothing to do with any of this. Morons like bill blamed Jazz and Rock for all kinds of crap, people still go on about how bad denim jeans are. Curmudgeons dont actually contribute to the discourse and are essentially old fools yelling at clouds.
Ironically, its a personal responsibility that bill needs to educate himself on what it is like being born black in 2013. But he wont. He will blame rap, and parents, and culture. All the easy things that mean he wont have to do shit.
Buuuuuut, its a symptom of the problem, not the cause.
Rap grew out of the ghettos and the shitty lives they lead, it didnt lead to those lives.
Gangsta didnt become a thing because people wanted to be like 2pac. Gangsta was already a thing in their communities, because they were already screwed.
And honestly, the 'personal responsiblity' shit is the biggest load of arse since john candy.
The fact is, it isnt culture, it isnt bad choices, that keep black people behind the 8 ball.
Its endemic racism and being outsiders in their own land. Passing a civil rights bill and letting them vote doesnt undo all the problems in the wider culture, which is just as problematic to black youth.
No one is born in a vacuum, and the fact is, in the USA today, if you had a choice, being born black (Maybe native American too) is the last thing youd choose.
Simplsitic answers for simplstic people who dont think anything is their fault ever, and that racism ended when whats his face said stuff about dreaming.
No one chooses to be poor. Bill didnt choose to become a rich blabbering vagina.
Ignoring the abundant number of factors that work on people as they are born and grow, and going for the simplistic 'culture!' 'rap!' 'personal responsibility' makes you look dumb.
Rap is crap, but its got nothing to do with any of this. Morons like bill blamed Jazz and Rock for all kinds of crap, people still go on about how bad denim jeans are. Curmudgeons dont actually contribute to the discourse and are essentially old fools yelling at clouds.
Ironically, its a personal responsibility that bill needs to educate himself on what it is like being born black in 2013. But he wont. He will blame rap, and parents, and culture. All the easy things that mean he wont have to do shit.
Vermillion
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Reading Huckleberry Finn out loud in class was interesting.
"Who's gonna say it? Who isn't?"
freenudemacusers
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only if you accept gun culture is responsible for white people going on shooting sprees every few years/months. Something I doubt bill and co would accept.
and you think you're joking...the abyss is pretty deep.
SteveWinwood
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You really shouldn't as he acts like he has the intelligence of a mailbox.Considering he isn't ignorant, I take that as a compliment
zero shift
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He was wearing a hoodie...
As someone who sees "street criminals" often. Trayvon's attire didn't fit. I haven't seen a street criminals that wears a casual hoodie before.
How is this relevant?
As much as people, including African Americans, like to ignore it. They have always had these crazy share of homicide rates. Even back in the day when the US had similar homicide rates to now most murders/suspects were black. The US homicide rate is nearly back to the 1960s rate in which African Americans had strong families. Families don't mean shit if few people are home because they are working.
Worked well for Texas and their rural white and Hispanic population. Seriously what is it with the right and them thinking "well if you just TELL people then they will LISTEN!!!" Its not that simple.
Wat?
While I agree with this to an extent. It doesn't mean much. The entertainment industry always promotes anti-social behavior.
More like playing to his audience, but yes, a conversation is better then no conversation.
ThLunarian
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As wrong as Bill O'Reilly is, at least he's being honest, which is necessary in order for a dialogue on race to happen. I think this is a step up from "Racism doesn't exist in America. Lalalalalala I can't hear you!"
cheststrongwell
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Considering he isn't ignorant, I take that as a compliment
Data plz
jordan0386
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I agree with everything.
But we've been going in circles, since the 60s on this.
Powers at be dont want anybody but the Powers At Be to achieve.
200 million whites. 38 million blacks. Overly racist country and society.
The odds are fucking stacked against every negro in the 50 states. But we gotta push forward.
There is no such thing as equality. There will never be a thing called Equality. But blacks can get theirs. If we try really hard, go in, force the issue. JUST THE LIKE 60s. We can get ours.
But we've been going in circles, since the 60s on this.
Powers at be dont want anybody but the Powers At Be to achieve.
200 million whites. 38 million blacks. Overly racist country and society.
The odds are fucking stacked against every negro in the 50 states. But we gotta push forward.
There is no such thing as equality. There will never be a thing called Equality. But blacks can get theirs. If we try really hard, go in, force the issue. JUST THE LIKE 60s. We can get ours.
At the same time, his position seems to be that if we express disapproval of black people more strongly and if we imprison more of them, things will get better. Also rap.
So it is "racism doesn't exist". He thinks the problem is the decisions black people make and that the solution is for them to make better decisions, encouraged by jailing more of them for longer for stepping out of line and by not using the word "fuck" as much in media popular with black children.
It's a solid thesis.
The problem isn't Florida.
Or Florida's warped legal system.
Or George Zimmerman being a fuckwit.
Or the Florida local PD.
Or the fact that any fucking idiot can buy a gun.
Or decades of fearmongering and latent racism.
No, the problem is Trayvon and people 'like' him. You know. The others.
Boom Boom Pow
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what is the disease? I can't see how systematic racism is causing many black males from having sex and not using condoms and being around for the eventual child, or black females from using the pills.
not saying it doesn't exist, but is every woes that are afflicting black Americans because due to racism? If that's the case, it should also be afflicting latinos as well.
This "dialog on race" concept is a constant source of bemusement to me. See, before we had a society where it was not considered acceptable to openly express your racist beliefs, we had a society where it was considered acceptable, and I think it's widely agreed that that society was worse. So I don't really understand why people think we would get some benefit from making it more acceptable to be "honest" about one's racist beliefs. Personally, I think it's better for people to not be racist at all, but if the choice is between "people are willing to be openly racist" and "people are unwilling to be openly racist because there is a crippling social stigma associated with it," I prefer the latter.
You think Latinos aren't affected by racism?
On this VERY topic there has always been a subtext that if Zimmerman was called Jorge Zimamos, there wouldn't have been any fuss. And I am inclined to believe it. Meanwhile our congressmen are LITERALLY talking about building a Pacific Rim wall to keep out Tequila Kaiju, while at the same time protecting the businesses that abuse migrant workers.
MisterNoisy
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Fuck Bill O'Reilly and fuck Fox News for giving him a soapbox. By extension, fuck anyone that agrees with him - with a pitchfork dipped in shit.
Fair enough.
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