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DeepEnigma
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solecon64
Member
Silent Hill 2 is in my top 3 favourite games of all time, I absolutely, truly, love that game. It's also a very unique game in that some of the elements that made it so great were not intentional and could not be replicated. Not even by Team Silent.
And it's also very much of its time, I think that survival horror as a genre is very dependent on the PS2 era. Not only did it absolutely peak back then, I just don't think it really works outside of that period.
All of this to say that I find it impossible for a remake of Silent Hill 2 to even come close to doing the original game justice. And Konami are just misguided in even trying. Not going to really blame them, because I don't have any expectations from a gaming company that has spent the last decade turning all of their historical IP into pachinko slop.
Not having any expectations for a project because of my lack of faith in the teams working on it would be a thing. But Blooper actually managing to STILL disappoint with this complete mess is a different matter.
Just like Blue Point remaking Demon's Souls, these guys just prove they don't understand the base game and continue to prove that they are, ultimately, incompetent at their jobs. They're just not good at what they're doing. They've proven this before, with literally every game they've ever made, and they continue to prove this.
I also want to acknowledge the fact that the brain rotten on neogaf are actually dumber than those on resetera, which is always a shame to see. Those guys are cultists, yes, but at least you get the feeling that they actually believe in their rot. The people here are just stupid. We have absolute morons in this thread with their "hurr durr now you can't fap to the character. cry about it" takes, despite also admitting they have never played the game.
Why are you here??? Jesus fucking christ, how bored are you, how absolutely rotten to the very core of your brain, that you feel the need to come here and argue for something you have absolutely no idea about.
And it's also very much of its time, I think that survival horror as a genre is very dependent on the PS2 era. Not only did it absolutely peak back then, I just don't think it really works outside of that period.
All of this to say that I find it impossible for a remake of Silent Hill 2 to even come close to doing the original game justice. And Konami are just misguided in even trying. Not going to really blame them, because I don't have any expectations from a gaming company that has spent the last decade turning all of their historical IP into pachinko slop.
Not having any expectations for a project because of my lack of faith in the teams working on it would be a thing. But Blooper actually managing to STILL disappoint with this complete mess is a different matter.
Just like Blue Point remaking Demon's Souls, these guys just prove they don't understand the base game and continue to prove that they are, ultimately, incompetent at their jobs. They're just not good at what they're doing. They've proven this before, with literally every game they've ever made, and they continue to prove this.
I also want to acknowledge the fact that the brain rotten on neogaf are actually dumber than those on resetera, which is always a shame to see. Those guys are cultists, yes, but at least you get the feeling that they actually believe in their rot. The people here are just stupid. We have absolute morons in this thread with their "hurr durr now you can't fap to the character. cry about it" takes, despite also admitting they have never played the game.
Why are you here??? Jesus fucking christ, how bored are you, how absolutely rotten to the very core of your brain, that you feel the need to come here and argue for something you have absolutely no idea about.
StueyDuck
Member
every thread is you moaning at someone for wrong think. Why can't they think the game is woke? why can't they voice that opinion, you talk about discussion, but is simply just telling that person you don't agree its woke, not a discussion?
what part about writing someone completely off and always calling people out of hand and out of line, a discussion? You are so wrapped up in telling people what to think that you don't even realise i don't think the same way those people do my critique on the game has nothing to do with the woman, I'm just getting tired of the same usual crowd bombing every thread when someone says something is woke, who cares if it is or isn't why do you feel the need to say anything, just say you disagree.
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Bloobs
Al Pachinko, Konami President
fart town usa
Member
Man, bloober just can't help themselves. Memories of The Medium are flooding back in. Hamfisted: The Game.
Edit- my issues with bloober aren't the character models or gameplay, it's the god awful vocal direction. Bloober needs to reign in it because they take grief porn to new heights. It's so bad it makes their stuff nearly unplayable IMO. It's like an NPR podcast on steroids.
They have the subtlety of a Handmaid's Tale episode.
Edit- my issues with bloober aren't the character models or gameplay, it's the god awful vocal direction. Bloober needs to reign in it because they take grief porn to new heights. It's so bad it makes their stuff nearly unplayable IMO. It's like an NPR podcast on steroids.
They have the subtlety of a Handmaid's Tale episode.
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bundylove
Member
What?
Hrk69
Gold Member
bundylove
Member
Astray
Member
Lots of bluster about how you don't like it when someone tells you to think original thoughts.
If you don't like my thoughts about the whole woke/anti-woke discussion, the ignore button's right there. I know by now that I won't be losing out on any scintillating conversation.
fart town usa
Member
Hopefully this game has different languages for vocal tracks. I think playing with a foreign language and English subtitles is the only way I'll be able to make it through this game.
It definitely lent well to RE6, Italian voices is awesome in that game.
It definitely lent well to RE6, Italian voices is awesome in that game.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It does.
Astray
Member
It's just utterly insane how people will constantly rant about this shit and then get mad at you for wanting productive and entertaining discussions of the hobby we love.
People are just addicted to anger at this point.
fart town usa
Member
Hell yes. I'm actually excited for this now, lol.
fart town usa
Member
Gp1
Member
Bloobs
Al Pachinko, Konami President
I like to thinkBloobs works at Bloober Team.
If that's the case, give me some info on Nibris and Sadness. I was there for it all! I was so hyped for that game in 2006 and waited years for nothing! I need to know more
Nibris? Sadness?
I only know that I liked Eternal Darkness and hated the Wii.
fart town usa
Member
Man, my journey with Bloober Team goes back nearly 20 years at this point. One of the main reasons I'm so critical of them, lol. I cannot stress how hyped I was for Sadness.Nibris? Sadness?
I only know that I liked Eternal Darkness and hated the Wii.
And if you aren't familiar, Nibris was the original studio but they never released anything, Bloober Team branched off and actually started to make games. Playing The Medium and meeting the ghost girl named, 'Sadness', Blair Witch VR also retains some of the stuff that would have been in Sadness on Wii. I piece these things together but man, the mystery of Sadness is forever locked to vaporware and it kills me but also keeps me intrigued for whatever Bloober Team is working on. I truly hope they develop into the studio I've always expected them to be.
luca_29_bg
Member
Ahahahahah i'm dying hahaahahahah XD
StueyDuck
Member
the squeakiest wheel always gets the grease, i don't care what your thoughts are, please point to me where i said that. In fact i distinctly remember you saying you are trying to make people "think for themselves", why don't we just not make people do anything, just say "yeah i don't agree" then move on. Still waiting for this discussion you weren't allowed to have though because some people said woke.
Its getting tiring with a select few trying to create this not-allowed-to-say-woke atmosphere. Let people say what they want, as long as it's not racist or sexist or homophobic etc. then let someone say something is woke even if you don't think so.
I'm sure I'll see you in the next thread shitting up the place when someone else says the new character X is woke.
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RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
They have the subtlety of a Handmaid's Tale episode.
March Climber
Member
You're not. RE fans are simply reasonable enough to know that cutscenes and acting will be different after 2 decades.
PianistaMacabro
Member
Should we need more 10 years to start having those remakes? Never played SH2 but from these vídeos.....I'm still in for the original.
And I mean, ONLY playing the original.
How come a ps2 game can be more cinematic than a 2024 game? The remakes we are getting are so messy and souless.
And I mean, ONLY playing the original.
How come a ps2 game can be more cinematic than a 2024 game? The remakes we are getting are so messy and souless.
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Hookshot
Gold Member
Didn’t know we were allowed to do that…. Next time someone moans about my avatar they’ll get theirs censoring smut of her.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
She was creepier before (probably not as intended, just the 90s cg, though maybe in SH it was intended as they all had a bit of the uncanny valley in the movements). Not really seeing her as more or less hot in either version, dunno what ya all are seeing. Lip syncing looks pretty bad in the remake.
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March Climber
Member
...We have coomer threads both in Gaming and Off-Topic.
phant0m
Member
I swear half the people here don’t even like video games. They just like to nitpick the shit out of everything as reasons something is “bad”.
Ugly character model? Unplayable.
30fps? Unplayable.
Only 60fps? Unplayable.
Requires online connection? Unplayable.
No RT? Unplayable.
No way to disable RT? Unplayable.
A bug? Unplayable.
Dev said something on twitter? Unplayable.
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FeralEcho
Member
I said it looked like shit not that it's unplayable, there's a difference.
Matsuchezz
Member
Yes, and a lot of them are having their period at the same time. So, that is why we are seeing these over reactions over the most minuscule things.
Period syncing is based on the idea that when a bunch of menstruating folk live together for long enough, their cycles coincide.
Straying a bit from the SH2 theme. I agree that many games are being affected by a worldview where women cannot be seen as weak or sexualized. This remake is living proof of that. The scene where Maria puts James's hand on her breast is more than enough. Her own clothes have changed a lot.
But I understand that we need a movement like this. If it were up to the average audience of sites like Neogaf, we would only have games with white men as protagonists, dumb and hot women and the occasional black person acting like an idiot.
But I understand that we need a movement like this. If it were up to the average audience of sites like Neogaf, we would only have games with white men as protagonists, dumb and hot women and the occasional black person acting like an idiot.
VeganElduderino
Member
I don't understand the hate for this game, its fucking crazy , people spend so much energy on hating stuff, if your not happy just don't buy the damn game!
Matsuchezz
Member
I think this is impossible, AFAIK Konami lost the Master of the game and original code, that is why the SH collection is crap and the Voice over was redone.
bundylove
Member
Amazing.
What is going on lately on gaf? No really?
ps5 pro is shit
Astro is shit
Now silent hill 2 is shit
I will lay low for a while , work is retarded, stressed out of my mind etc so i wont blow my account with freakouts over stuff like this.
But i will say this. I played the original several times. One of my favorite horror games that goes deep. I am lucky and happy that i can replay it in a new light. I dont care who looks like what . What matters to me is all here and i will buy this game regardless of all the hate.
I start to think most people on this forum dont even play games.
What is going on lately on gaf? No really?
ps5 pro is shit
Astro is shit
Now silent hill 2 is shit
I will lay low for a while , work is retarded, stressed out of my mind etc so i wont blow my account with freakouts over stuff like this.
But i will say this. I played the original several times. One of my favorite horror games that goes deep. I am lucky and happy that i can replay it in a new light. I dont care who looks like what . What matters to me is all here and i will buy this game regardless of all the hate.
I start to think most people on this forum dont even play games.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Is that the special place James was looking for?
thismeinteil
Member
I don't get the comments of wokeness for this game. They didn't really uglify/obesify the female characters, either. I mean, Laura looks as hot as ever.
bundylove
Member
You sure he would find what he is looking for?
There might be a one eyed monster looking back at him
Muffdraul
Member
You see it too? For me, it's always like this.
Seriously, this is how all video game forums have been ever since the original FFVII came out.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
"Luckily if you don't like the remake, we have a product for you.":
I don't care. I always thought the original character looked like a crack whore.
As someone who owns this collection.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Well, Jame's VA for the remake is a lot better, so that's a plus in the new version's favor.
Still think it was a mistake not to have the classic camera angles in the remake. Those fixed cameras were a character in themselves, and added to the element of horror and tension. They were also used very thematically to help frame pacing. You can't replicate that with third-person over the shoulder, no matter how good it is. Same issue I have with the modern remakes of RE2 & 3. These games should at least allow for the option to use the classic fixed camera angles.
A video from SSFF that (among other things) helps emphasize the importance of the fixed camera angles, and how they helped with pacing, framing, and tension in the original game:
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I really like everything I've seen from Luke so far, even the first encounter with a Straightjacket when he sees it in the fog, that little tilt of the head and expression.
Prefect!
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AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Some of you need to replay the original like I did a week ago with the enhanced edition. Whoever says the original acting was better, had more soul, more fluid movements, you need a head check.
The OG dialogue is so flat for every single character. They move and run like cardboard boxes. Its still a great game but a game of its time when nobody would spend $40k on a voice actor. On top of that you are always using CGI cutscenes as a comparison. Why not use the gameplay one from the original than tell me how you see emotions in those stiff botox faces that barely move.
The OG dialogue is so flat for every single character. They move and run like cardboard boxes. Its still a great game but a game of its time when nobody would spend $40k on a voice actor. On top of that you are always using CGI cutscenes as a comparison. Why not use the gameplay one from the original than tell me how you see emotions in those stiff botox faces that barely move.
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VeganElduderino
Member
pre ordered on Pc , looks fucking awesome! fuck off haters !
marquimvfs
Member
Are her arms big too? Maybe someone forgot DK Mode turned on in the cheats menu.
Something just happened to my pyramid head