This press persecution of SEGA irritates me, it's been 25 years of attacks, camouflaged as ''history'' and ''analysis'' of the company's memory.

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I'm not a Dreamcast fan but I don't think this is the way to go.
Does the world need to hear to exhaustion (year after the year) how much Sega made flop products? It seems to me like a kind of preemptive attack
 
Its IGN not gonna name names but I know for a fact IGN is filled with some of the
biggest sonic/sega haters they've said so themselves on podcasts
 
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If they spent less time with petty in fighting between Sega USA & japan maybe there wouldn't have been as many flops but the reality is Sega has a knack of fucking things up.

Nobody is going to sugar coat it to save your feelings op
 
Sonic Frontiers and Sonic x Shadow generations are really good
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This one?

Gimmie a Sonic Heroes remake.
 



I'm not a Dreamcast fan but I don't think this is the way to go.
Does the world need to hear to exhaustion (year after the year) how much Sega made flop products? It seems to me like a kind of preemptive attack

Cause console wars were real and the decision to quit the console business was logical back then. Back then selling games was the biggest factor for success, now it's the time you spend on games.
 
Its IGN not gonna name names but I know for a fact IGN is filled with some of the
biggest sonic/sega haters they've said so themselves on podcasts
The name for that is fear, they fear SEGA. Note that they don't make annual articles and videos about Atari, you know, no one kicks a dead dog.
 
Most of the "journalists" doing this were like 12 when Sega left the console business and weren't there to really understand why.

It's turning into this:
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Simple version:
Sega was in all-out civil war long before the Dreamcast was even a thought. Even before the Saturn. Sega of Japan always looked down on Sega of America. Tom Kalinske came in and made the Genesis a huge success in the US. That pissed off SOJ.

Stupid people ran SOJ, smart people ran SOA. SOJ overruled the smart people at every turn, and shot themselves in the head.
 
The name for that is fear, they fear SEGA. Note that they don't make annual articles and videos about Atari, you know, no one kicks a dead dog.

Atari doesn't have the fanbase Sega does. Even then Atari was front and center during the crash, and it's been covered more that Sega's Saturn/Dreamcast failures.
 
Its IGN not gonna name names but I know for a fact IGN is filled with some of the
biggest sonic/sega haters they've said so themselves on podcasts
You can be a grown man or woman and HATE on a video game brand? I can kinda understand the fight at twelve years old against your school friends but not when adult. That's pitiful.
 
The name for that is fear, they fear SEGA. Note that they don't make annual articles and videos about Atari, you know, no one kicks a dead dog.
I'm really curious, why do you think it's fear? I mean, I have my own evidence backed reasons to believe SEGA is actively planning to do physical harm to these journalists, but I want to know your angle.
 
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When will people understand the Genesis was a fluke and was smoke and mirrors. Sega USA fooled everyone with stock returned and sitting in warehouses. It was never the success we thought it was. Every system was poorly managed and full of infighting and poor decisions.

Great software and arcade company. Poorly managed console company.

Dreamcast as much as we all love it, shitty controller and they didn't protect the system. Letting piracy and vulnerabilities at a beyond stupid level.

This has all been beaten to death. But Segs deserved to fail because they were hopeless and at odds with themselves.
 
Most of the "journalists" doing this were like 12 when Sega left the console business and weren't there to really understand why.

It's turning into this:
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Simple version:
Sega was in all-out civil war long before the Dreamcast was even a thought. Even before the Saturn. Sega of Japan always looked down on Sega of America. Tom Kalinske came in and made the Genesis a huge success in the US. That pissed off SOJ.

Stupid people ran SOJ, smart people ran SOA. SOJ overruled the smart people at every turn, and shot themselves in the head.
It's really worth reading all the recently leaked documents from the Genesis / Saturn era to see all the mistakes they made back then.

But it's interesting that now that they left the hardware business they have the best first-party output of the industry by quite a significant margin. Makes you wonder if there's a better timeline where Sony flopped and Sega is still fighting Nintendo.
 
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I loved dreamcast, borrowed it from my buddy for 2 months of summer vacations(and he got my ps2 for that time ;') and played many of its top quality exclusives, including this long forgotten diamond:


Saying all that, it died coz of sega's mistakes, and those mistakes are dated to 16-bit era where they launched and quickly abandoned sega cd and 32x, then they quickly abandoned saturn, so their loyal customers- us players- simply lost faith in the product- hence dreamcast terrible sales despite it being great piece of hardware and having amazing library of games, many of them true exclusives.

I say it as a sega megadrive owner, who loved and still loves sega games so no ill intentions here.

If we got dreamcast today with all of its library and power comparable to ps5/xsx but w/o that terrible baggage that sega attached to it(fear of quickly losing support/being abandoned by platform holder)it would for sure decimate the competition.
 
SEGA-CD was supported for 5 years, the Game Gear for 6 years. These consoles had proper support, which further indicates they were generating a positive business for SEGA.

Great pick of game, Lodoss on Dreamcast is one of my personal favorites !
 
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The 32x and Saturn back to back were weapons grade bad decisions.

Sega falling and then Microsoft entering the market with the same individuals was always a bit sus. Im looking at you Peter Moore.
 
SEGA-CD was supported for 5 years, the Game Gear for 6 years. These consoles had proper support, which further indicates they were generating a positive business for SEGA.

Great pick of game, Lodoss on Dreamcast is one of my personal favorites !
Sega cd wasnt a console, it was an add-on to sega megadrive/genesis, then another add-on sega 32x with only 40games avaiable for it, both were terrible decisions
Didnt mention game gear coz its handheld, totally different market.

Again- put urself in sega megadrive(or genesis if we talking US market) owner's head, u gotta buy base console model, so many add-ons then u get saturn which is abandoned crazy fast, and soon after we are presented with dreamcast, that later has to compete vs ps2...
 
Sega cd wasnt a console, it was an add-on
Thank you, I know what the SEGA-CD is. I have one. I totally put myself in the MegaDrive owner's position and absolutely love this add-on with a passion. The SEGA-CD was perfectly fine.

Not arguing concerning 32X, Saturn and Dreamcast though. Even though I own all three as well lol.
 
I'm really curious, why do you think it's fear? I mean, I have my own evidence backed reasons to believe SEGA is actively planning to do physical harm to these journalists, but I want to know your angle.
I don't know how those guys think, you know, Sega has a name they have a legacy. There must be a very strong reason for them to systematically spend time and money to tarnish the company's image even 25 years later.
 
Sega was a company capable of creating incredible software but it was run by monkeys, after laughing at users with the MegaCD, the 32X and Saturn they did not have the trust of users nor the economic power to keep Dreamcast on the market.
 
I got into gaming in 2000, after the Dreamcast had collapsed. I do find it strange how long the post-mortems have lasted.
That is something thats quite unique to gaming, people dwell like crazy. Every time sony releases brand new hardware, they always call back to the 599$ price tag of the PS3, and that was in 2006, 18 years ago. I'm guessing the sticker shock of that amount of money plus the relative age of the medium to its users made quite a lasting impact in the zeitgeist of the medium.
 
That is something thats quite unique to gaming, people dwell like crazy. Every time sony releases brand new hardware, they always call back to the 599$ price tag of the PS3, and that was in 2006, 18 years ago. I'm guessing the sticker shock of that amount of money plus the relative age of the medium to its users made quite a lasting impact in the zeitgeist of the medium.

Yeah, you can see a similar thing happening with Xbox. "What happened to Xbox," with everyone trotting out their explanations and histories (me included). That is more understandable, though, since the Xbox (the console) is not dead yet. We've got post-mortems before the mortem, lol.

But I expect that if Xbox expires, they will talk about why it died for the next 25 years, too.
 
I like ponder on the " what ifs " of history. Like what if the saturn had taken off and ps1 failed? would we be playing on our quad rendering gpus now? Nvidias very first card was molded off the sega saturn / model 2. What if the turbographx had taken off in the US? would would be talking about Sega Vs Hudson now? Would consoles add ons become standardized?
 
I mean, that's all you've been doing in other threads, right after yet more threads where you wanted Saturn/Dreamcast minis or whatever & threatened to boycott nu-Sega until they make it happen then got mad they still haven't and shat on everything they've done, stop being so bipolar with Sega.
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I :messenger_heart: Sega okay
You've gone on record multiple times saying legendary systems like Saturn are only good for 3rd party 2D fighting games you'd play just as well anywhere & all their 90s and 00s output (which basically includes everything from their pioneering 3D arcade hits to Dreamcast & PS2) sucks (proposing sales are the only metric of quality to boot). You've also been excited legendary creators like Yu Suzuki (from Space Harrier to Outrun to Daytona as Yakuza and others built upon his past works too) won't be part of his franchises going forward. So, older 2D/scaler or newer 3D Sega, you hated it all!

Given that, Idk what's left for you to "love" and even want the Saturn mini you've pined for since you can play those 2D fighters better on other systems instead, even if back then they were the best ports (which you don't even acknowledge) as you can emulate arcade releases or buy recent ports🤦‍♂️
 
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They did. Good reviews and Sonic X Shadow is Amazon's top platformer this holiday. Suck it!

Its just a rerelease of an old game, which coincidentally is the 'best' 3d Sonic game.

That doesn't make it that Sonic is back, Sonic hasn't been back since Sonic Mania.

Im sorry but there are no good 3D Sonic games and thats coming from an oldschool Sonic fan.

I know the kids love the new Sonic but I find all of it terrible, including the movies.
 
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