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THR: JJ Abrams' Superman Won't Be Part of the DCEU Universe, Will Feature a Black Kal-El
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Isn't there anyone at WB/DC left who realizes that this woke madness is going to kill their
It makes the movie critic-proof to a large degree. That maybe also the reason why companies keep greenlighting these programs. Anyone who opposes a black Superman or black James Bond must be a bigot.
It makes the movie critic-proof to a large degree. That maybe also the reason why companies keep greenlighting these programs. Anyone who opposes a black Superman or black James Bond must be a bigot.
sol_bad
Member
There are a lot of piss poor none woke films too.
Mortal Kombat 2021 being one of them.
TastyPastry
Member
he's black so i have to like it
DeepBreath87
Banned
Coates is an amazing writer? To each his own, obviously. Of course this goes back to what I said earlier. The people who are going to cheerlead this are going to be people who are on board with the ideology.We do, he is an amazing writer.
I’m also noting the irony in someone calling out captain America for being ideological while talking about a comic book character called captain America...
Dude wrote Black panther but I never heard the ideology mongers cry
The main problem (for me) is announcing the race before any casting. So it's not like they had an open casting call for supes with a script that was race agnostic and this fresh black actor DESTROYED it.
Nope, I strongly suspect race will be a key story element.
Compare it to the Hannah actress getting Red Sonja. Perhaps she just auditioned that well. But announcing the casting without a "we are gonna have a non white Red Sonja" type virtue signal at least opens the possibility that the actress got the role based on merit and not because she checked enough boxes AND that the script allows for a range of races because it isn't DEPENDENT on race. We can only pray that we never even see RSs parents (who now will probably be interracial or mixed race themselves) so we won't have to sit through ANOTHER "daddy issues" origin story.
Nope, I strongly suspect race will be a key story element.
Compare it to the Hannah actress getting Red Sonja. Perhaps she just auditioned that well. But announcing the casting without a "we are gonna have a non white Red Sonja" type virtue signal at least opens the possibility that the actress got the role based on merit and not because she checked enough boxes AND that the script allows for a range of races because it isn't DEPENDENT on race. We can only pray that we never even see RSs parents (who now will probably be interracial or mixed race themselves) so we won't have to sit through ANOTHER "daddy issues" origin story.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Oh really?
So all the "whitewashing" complaints we heard over the past several decades can be tossed out then, right?
Glad this is settled.
You can tell who doesn't follow the stories and just wants to chip in to complain about race.
1) Supes is DC, not Marvel, so they have no bearing on Black Panther
2) Bucky (Winter Soldier) has been growing into the role of White Wolf slowly over the years
LaughingStock
Member
They could cast a chinese man to play Jor-El. Or any other race, since race doesn't matter.
While we're at it, I think having every character speak english is kind of racist.
Here's my idea. Hire actors of multiple races (non white only, of course) from all over the world and have them speak in their native languages.
While we're at it, I think having every character speak english is kind of racist.
Here's my idea. Hire actors of multiple races (non white only, of course) from all over the world and have them speak in their native languages.
MayauMiao
Member
1) Not about Supes being DC and not Marvel. I'm just tired how Hollywood and MSM is pushing face/gender to push a movie. Its tiring, and everyone can see that.
2) I am not aware of this White Wold Bucky since I don't subscribe Disney+
OmegaSupreme
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One weird thing. They are looking for a black director. JJ says it would be tone deaf for him to direct it. I'm sorry but what? A white person can no longer direct a film with a black lead?
DeepEnigma
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Mobilemofo
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He looks...
Intense..
DeepBreath87
Banned
It’s just another indication that this isn’t going to be a “Superman story” with a black lead. Superman being black is going to be the story.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I literally quoted the other person, not you.
I'm confused. Is it a different character or not? Is it the same one but from a different universe?
Because if he is a different character then my post about race-bending and your post about gatekeeping were completely pointless
That's not my point!
I commented in PLAIN view that there are two other canon black Supermans in DC comics that they are probably choosing to adapt from. Both from alternate universes (and both have met Clark) ...
But y'all acting like they're replacing Clark ... They aren't.
Everything with you lot is "woke this" and "woke that" ... Before you've even SEEN the movie ... It just SEEMS like y'all have a problem with it for OTHER than creative reasons.
Furlong
Banned
It will probably be about slavery or something. They do love to winge about slavery. Should make for great night out at the cinema
Azurro
Banned
Come and see Leonardo DiCaprio as Martin Luther King Jr in "I have a dream".
DiCaprio is a tremendous actor, I'm sure no one will complain. Race doesn't matter, right?
ArtemisClydeFrog
Banned
There it is. You're comparing actual people to comic book characters made for children? I think if a movie is based on a real person they should do their best to get someone who looks and can talk/act like the person they're covering. Superheroes aren't real, so getting someone to look nearly identical to the character doesn't matter. I'm sure you have a huge issue with Passion of the Christ being a bunch of white dudes in the middle east.
Jon Neu
Banned
This literally doesn't make any sense.
That's like saying that you could have made The Lord Of The Rings with Oprah Winfrey as Frodo and Jackie Chan as Legolas.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
I'm imagining Jackie Chan flipping over elephants and using kung Fu against orcs and you're now selling me more on your concept.
ArtemisClydeFrog
Banned
They probably would have done a better job tbh.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
It will probably be about slavery or something. They do love to winge about slavery. Should make for great night out at the cinema
Who is "they"?
And thanks for the laugh react, Jon who Neus nothing
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
You think a Alien that is the last of his kind who struggles to find his place in the world as he learns to harness his alien powers for good while keeping his secret and becomes a symbol of hope has nothing to do with race?
probably not the same sense your thinking, but yes it does play a big part in it.
I'm cool having a another Kryptonian and I'm cool with them being Black or whatever, just don't race swap iconic characters.
and don't go the whole "his struggles being a Black man" story line shit because I believe a Kryptonian would have bigger problems then the colour of their skin
Jon Neu
Banned
I'm sure Donald Trump replacing the entire cast of Wakanda 2 would do a better job too.
The best movie ever made!
manfestival
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I kinda came here to post that. Though he has better clips from this podcast of his. Youngrippa hits the nail on the head with this stuff. The clip below I feel is the real meat and potatoes of this.
For those that defend WB in this instance... please watch the Youngrippa videos.
ArtemisClydeFrog
Banned
He's a shit actor though
Jon Neu
Banned
Like that matters anymore.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Come on.
ArtemisClydeFrog
Banned
LOTR movies are fun but let's be real, the acting and plot is pretty fucking bad
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They wouldn't have "done a better job."
ArtemisClydeFrog
Banned
We'll never know. The actual acting and delivery of the lines is awful and cringe.
I'm SO GLAD LOTR came out pre social media. Imagine the RAGE at Liv Tyler's inclusion in the films in direct opposition to the source material. If only they had kept her at Helms Deep
So a lot of this is just bored internet ramblings, but there is certainly merit to the concern that checklist inclusion parameters don't help storytelling or the final product. It is stifling true creativity for new stories and dampening any desire to adapt authentic stories from POC voices because it is easier to spin off an established white IP than find a good POC one.
Jon Neu
Banned
Imaging saying this while unironically defending that Oprah Winfrey would have been a better Frodo than Elijah Wood. This is the level of discourse of the woke apologists.
Just for the sake of not wanting to admit that being respecftul of the source material it's actually really important. More important than the phony social pandering of a few.
FunkMiller
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So, I don't particularly have much of an issue with them making Clark a black dude. If there's a good story to be told, that can only be told with a black Kal-El, then I'm down for it.
However - I don't think for one second that the decision to make Kal-El black is one that is being led by the desire to tell an original and great story. It's most probably being done for purely cynical reasons, to cash in on the black lives matter movement. This is *deeply* fucking cynical.
It's the same mindset that gave us a terrible female Doctor Who. The change was not made to tell stories that would otherwise be impossible with a male in the role. It was simply done to appeal to a cross section of modern society and to push forward a particular agenda.
I will champion any project that makes gender or race changes, based on a desire to tell an original story, and if this movie does that, then great. But knowing how Warner Bros operate, I'm pretty sure they're doing this just to grab cash from a zeitgeisty thing. Bullshit.
However - I don't think for one second that the decision to make Kal-El black is one that is being led by the desire to tell an original and great story. It's most probably being done for purely cynical reasons, to cash in on the black lives matter movement. This is *deeply* fucking cynical.
It's the same mindset that gave us a terrible female Doctor Who. The change was not made to tell stories that would otherwise be impossible with a male in the role. It was simply done to appeal to a cross section of modern society and to push forward a particular agenda.
I will champion any project that makes gender or race changes, based on a desire to tell an original story, and if this movie does that, then great. But knowing how Warner Bros operate, I'm pretty sure they're doing this just to grab cash from a zeitgeisty thing. Bullshit.
DeepEnigma
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Umbasaborne
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Agreed; i think its gonna be really cool to see a different take on that character, and its not replacing the extended universes superman as the article states, just as pattinson isn’t replacing batfleck, or pheonix didnt replacr letto’s canonical joker. I think its awesome that dc is taking risks and showing us different takes on beloved characters, anyone who says superman cant be black is just as silly as people who say bond has to be white
AgentP
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Just use some existing black characters or make new ones. Trying to appear woke by changing established characters is just sad. I hope the backlash is a bomb and loss, money talks.
Hollywood would never make a black character white or Asian and no one would support it, this is a double standard.
Hollywood would never make a black character white or Asian and no one would support it, this is a double standard.
plushyp
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Whose acting and delivery of lines are you talking about here?
ArtemisClydeFrog
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plushyp
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I don't agree but okay. How about the acting in the Hobbit trilogy?
ArtemisClydeFrog
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Haven't seen it yet.
ManaByte
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Phoenix RISING
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Ah the sequel to this thread:
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Well, Superman is a Kryptonian. That is his race.
How he's ethnically represented shouldn't matter because he's a fictional character.
J.J. Abrams and Ta-Nehisi Coates are working on a new Superman movie
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Well, Superman is a Kryptonian. That is his race.
How he's ethnically represented shouldn't matter because he's a fictional character.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
It's probably going to be either ...
Val Zod
Or Calvin Ellis AKA KalEl (from Vathlo Island on Krypton)
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I'd accept that argument if the dc universe was a marvel like hit... but it is not.
TaylorSwiftFan
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Oh, you mean the movie where the producers didn’t include Johnny Cage because the movie would have been too white?
Phoenix RISING
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Going back to the thread, I see people showing their asses.
The reason why casting a white man has black panther would not work is because Black panther is a character specifically written to be a person of African descent. Wakanda, as Christopher Priest imagined, is a pan-African creation symbolizing what Africa would be had it not been raped. t'challa goes to America and recruits a character personified as sister souljah to be something of a queen.
Y'all know any white radical black feminists?
And that's before getting into the lore of an adopted white character raised as T'challa's brother, and the subsequent rivalry for the mantle.
And that's just ONE example of how making black comic book characters white would not work.
And that's before having a conversation about the impetus behind changing the ethnic identity of minority characters.
Diversity, equity, and inclusion is the future. That's why these things are happening.
The reason why casting a white man has black panther would not work is because Black panther is a character specifically written to be a person of African descent. Wakanda, as Christopher Priest imagined, is a pan-African creation symbolizing what Africa would be had it not been raped. t'challa goes to America and recruits a character personified as sister souljah to be something of a queen.
Y'all know any white radical black feminists?
And that's before getting into the lore of an adopted white character raised as T'challa's brother, and the subsequent rivalry for the mantle.
And that's just ONE example of how making black comic book characters white would not work.
And that's before having a conversation about the impetus behind changing the ethnic identity of minority characters.
Diversity, equity, and inclusion is the future. That's why these things are happening.
TaylorSwiftFan
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Arwen at Helm’s Deep would have made the movie worse. Why would you want that?I'm SO GLAD LOTR came out pre social media. Imagine the RAGE at Liv Tyler's inclusion in the films in direct opposition to the source material. If only they had kept her at Helms Deep
Sloth Guevara
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People saying this is woke aren’t really seeing what the deal is.
WB is a huge company who want to make money.
The cold hard truth is that they have probably done a fuck ton of focus testing, talking with marketing etc and come to the conclusion this is what will make them cash.
None of that has anything with any agendas or wokenizing to do. It’s all about them dollars.
Another cold hard truth is that it may very well suck.
WB handling of DC has a pitiful track record and I have yet to see why this would be any different.
WB is a huge company who want to make money.
The cold hard truth is that they have probably done a fuck ton of focus testing, talking with marketing etc and come to the conclusion this is what will make them cash.
None of that has anything with any agendas or wokenizing to do. It’s all about them dollars.
Another cold hard truth is that it may very well suck.
WB handling of DC has a pitiful track record and I have yet to see why this would be any different.