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[Garlador]

IIRC it needs to get to around $900 million WW to even deliver low profit for WB.

$1 billion to $ 1.1 billion would make it modest success.

To be blunt I believe it needed to clear $1.2 billion globally to be considered a "hit".

With current projections $1 billion looks out of reach and it may even stop just short of $900 million.

In short its definately underperforming and looks to be on low end of results at best unless it gets a second wind at BO.

I'm hearing the rhetoric a lot, and it may be absolutely true... but if BvS fails to break even $850 million, will WB actually take a loss on this? Was the production and marketing budget really THAT high? (It could very well have been).

That's insane to think a film could make $850 and still loss money in its initial theatrical run. Regardless of reviews, poor word of mouth, and historic drops, maybe that tells you that WB shouldn't write blank checks to Zack Snyder, especially when they must be looking at the $800 million Deadpool pulled off on a $60 million budget.

 

[Firemind]

I don't even understand how it has a $250 million production budget. And that's after tax rebates.

 

[Diablos]

We need less superhero movies. It's like this trend that started in the early 2000s and it just won't die.

 

[neorej]

Das ist der joke

I have failed the interwebs

We need less superhero movies. It's like this trend that started in the early 2000s and it just won't die.

We need less posts like this. It's a trend that started in 2012 and it just won't die. It's getting annoying.

 

[WillyFive]

We need less superhero movies. It's like this trend that started in the early 2000s and it just won't die.

The market wants more superhero movies.

And as we learned this and last year, they want good superhero movies too, and will reward studios with big $$$ for them.

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

Going with the casting of Luthor, we'll get something like Steve Buscemi as Darkseid.

Steve Buscemi was rumored to be playing Uncle Ben in Ultimate Underoos.

 

[pantsmith]

People take a risk, and they get ripped to shreds for it.
All superhero movies to be Marvel formula based from now on. Yay.

I just hope this means they cancel Aquaman, and cancel Cyborg.

If by risk you mean undermine the essential character traits of the two most popular comic book heros and put them in a grimdark edgfest, sure.

You don't have to follow the Marvel formula to make a good super hero film. You just need to start with a good script that understands its own source material.

 

[Dark Ninja]

I love that they are two movies into their universe and everything is on fire already. They tried to rush to get where Marvel is at currently and it's already dead.

 

[Bleepey]

Dat Ayer seal of quality

But at least he has two fresh movies in there, which is more than Snyder at least.

I liked Sabotage and Street Kings, in the former he directed the OG Aussi charisma vacuum that's not Jai Courtney (Sam Worthington) so well and I didn't realise it was him till I saw the credits.

 

[Dahbomb]

Zack Snyder has more fresh movies than David Ayer.

Just barely fresh though lol.


But Ayer was a screen writer for Training Day and that makes him A1 in my book.

 

[kurahador]

Dat Ayer seal of quality

But at least he has two fresh movies in there, which is more than Snyder at least.

Fresh ones seems to be those he wrote, so that's good.

 

[jmood88]

Dat Ayer seal of quality

But at least he has two fresh movies in there, which is more than Snyder at least.

End of Watch is great and Fury was ok but disappointing. The new "in Ayer we trust" thing is as baffling as the "Terrio will guarantee that BvS will be amazing" thing.

 

[Dahbomb]

Guys this is what JL1/JL2 will be like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCUyh6UsVRY


Brain washed Superman carrying out the bidding of Darkseid and taking over Earth.

 

[guek]

End of Watch is great and Fury was ok but disappointing. The new "in Ayer we trust" thing is as baffling as the "Terrio will guarantee that BvS will be amazing" thing.

At least people aren't saying "Ayer da gawd." I don't know what it is about that phrase but seeing people repeatedly use that for Snyder and Terrio before BvS came out made me want to claw my eyes out.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

At least people aren't saying "Ayer da gawd." I don't know what it is about that phrase but seeing people repeatedly use that for Snyder and Terrio before BvS came out made me want to claw my eyes out.

Lol Terrio was supposed to be the golden goose after Goyer was made the sacrificial lamb.

Didn't pan out.

 

[m_shortpants]

I wonder wtf this movie looked like with Goyer at the helm.

 

[Dead]

Problem is Jungle Book comes out next week which will suck up much of its audience, especially in the international market. And there is even already hints that it won't be #1 this week either.



Ugh, I hate to suggest nepotism is to blame for Snyder's success, but after seeing that...

Ugh at this post

They're both partners in their own production company, Cruel and Unusual Films, so obviously she produces everything he makes. It's not like she is some WB exec

 

[Dahbomb]

I wonder wtf this movie looked like with Goyer at the helm.

Double down on the Knightmare non sense because that was apparently Goyer's idea. Terrio actually had it cut down a lot.

 

[Firemind]

At least people aren't saying "Ayer da gawd." I don't know what it is about that phrase but seeing people repeatedly use that for Snyder and Terrio before BvS came out made me want to claw my eyes out.

But Snyder is a god. Terrio is just a false god.

 

[Discotheque]

RT is the worst. Not that I disagree with his low ratings...lol.

Also real boys were always skeptical about ayers involvement. The marketing and the style he's going for with joker, Harley etc. Has me optimistic though. I love it all.

 

[longdi]

BvS probably would have had very similar numbers to Star Wars had it actually been a good movie. It's fucking Batman and Superman.

Stop choosing shit directors to make these movies.

Strange u say that.

I thought bvs and tfa shared many similarities/problems as a beginning of movie. Though one of them can luckily banked on nostalgia much

 

[BadAss2961]

At least people aren't saying "Ayer da gawd." I don't know what it is about that phrase but seeing people repeatedly use that for Snyder and Terrio before BvS came out made me want to claw my eyes out.

Snyder is totally da gawd. Gave us the GOAT, the goddamn Batman. The real deal Holyfield Wonder Woman, and sent his son to die for our sins. The future will look down on this rejection as utter foolishness.

Zack works in mysterious ways but has a plan. Ayer da prophet shall guide us.

 

[BronsonLee]

Ayer shook me so hard with Fury that I had no idea what to make of Suicide Squad at first

That dude has issues

 

[guek]

Snyder is totally da gawd. Gave us the GOAT, the goddamn Batman. The real deal Holyfield Wonder Woman, and sent his son to die for our sins. The future will look down on this rejection as utter foolishness.

Zack works in mysterious ways but has a plan. Ayer da prophet shall guide us.

I was wondering when you'd start up with nonsense talk again after retreating a bit in lieu of BvS cratering

 

[BadAss2961]

I was wondering when you'd start up with nonsense talk again after retreating a bit in lieu of BvS cratering

lol. I'm just happy the DCEU is here. I was gonna dial it back regardless.

Congratulations on your victory. Marvel owns my soul.

Spoiler

The MCU is still pretty garbage

 

[guek]

lol. I'm just happy the DCEU is here. I was gonna dial it back regardless.

Congratulations on your victory. Marvel owns my soul.

Spoiler

The MCU is still pretty garbage

BadAss2961
Marvel owns my soul
(Today, 09:41 AM)

I love DC too, bro, but Snyder makes really pretty pieces of shit

 

[tomtom94]

Ugh at this post

They're both partners in their own production company, Cruel and Unusual Films, so obviously she produces everything he makes. It's not like she is some WB exec

See also: Christopher Nolan.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

BadAss2961
Marvel owns my soul
(Today, 09:41 AM)

I love DC too, bro, but Snyder makes really pretty pieces of shit

Yeah, no. We should really stop blaming one man. One man does not make movie these days, not a 300m dollar movie.

 

[jmood88]

Yeah, no. We should really stop blaming one man. One man does not make movie these days, not a 300m dollar movie.

When one man consistently puts out bad movies, then it's fair to assume that he's a big reason why the movies are bad.

 

[guek]

Yeah, no. We should really stop blaming one man. One man does not make movie these days, not a 300m dollar movie.

Sure but Snyder has a track record. The only thing he's ever made that I think is halfway decent is the director's cut of Watchmen.

 

[Thicc Enigma]

The message is misunderstood. They said that they are going to focus more on titles in the DCEU, Harry Potter and their other money making machines considering that Jupiter Ascending and Pan did not deliver as much as they'd hope it would. I mean, they just announced 2 more DCEU untitled films. If anything what they are doing is a positive thing.

 

[CadetMahoney]

does this film have any of those cool MoS type of action scenes with korra?

I saw the trailer and it looks pretty meh.

 

[Firemind]

When one man consistently puts out bad movies, then it's fair to assume that he's a big reason why the movies are bad.

Bad movies according to who?

 

[BadAss2961]

Bad movies according to who?

Here comes a rotten tomatoes link.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Bad movies according to who?

Apparently enough people to make a general consensus.

 

[call_kotaku]

Lots of collected quantifiable data (declining critical reception, declining box office) is easily disproved by anecdotal evidence and personal opinions

Zack Snyder is the homeopathy of filmmakers

 

[NumberTwo]

Lots of collected quantifiable data (declining critical reception, declining box office) is easily disproved by anecdotal evidence and personal opinions

Zack Snyder is the homeopathy of filmmakers

Why...why didn't I think of this? Perfect analogy.

 

[guek]

Snyder fans take it personally because they really feel his work has a lot of merit. Truth be told, it does! He's got strengths, like most directors. It's ok to enjoy his work, pointing out his inability to make a movie that strongly resonates with general audiences and critics doesn't change that. He has fans, and understandably so, but that doesn't change the facts about the uneven reception of his films.

 

[Firemind]

Apparently enough people to make a general consensus.

People aren't a hivemind. I mean, look at 300. He made the best of what he had to work with considering the source material and it grossed $450 million off a $65 million budget. Not quite Deadpool numbers, but impressive nonetheless for an R-rated film.

 

[UrbanRats]

Maybe stop making terrible movies?

Jurassic World was no masterpiece.

 

[jmood88]

Bad movies according to who?

Myself and professional critics.

Snyder fans take it personally because they really feel his work has a lot of merit. Truth be told, it does! He's got strengths, like most directors. It's ok to enjoy his work, pointing out his inability to make a movie that strongly resonates with general audiences and critics doesn't change that. He has fans, and understandably so, but that doesn't change the facts about the uneven reception of his films.

He's undoubtedly a talented director but also a very poor storyteller with the sensibility of a 14 year old.

 

[Glass Rebel]

People aren't a hivemind. I mean, look at 300. He made the best of what he had to work with considering the source material and it grossed $450 million off a $65 million budget. Not quite Deadpool numbers, but impressive nonetheless for an R-rated film.

Ok.

That doesn't change the fact that many people think that most of his movies are garbage. I saw BvS twice with two separate groups of friends and out of 12 people everybody thought it was garbage. I am not sure why Snyder fans can't accept that a lot of people think he mostly makes shit.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

https://www.facebook.com/darksouls/videos/1069455576460819/

 

[KonradLaw]

Snyder is the best man in the business when it comes to translating comicbook panels to screen. Nobody else can make superheroes look, move and fight as good. But maybe this means he should only be a cinematographer instead of director? His best work was when he can just film panel by panel from comics.

 

[Alienous]

Just saw this in the Rogue One thread

That was Zack Snyder's pitch to Lucasfilm waaaaaay back before anything about spinoffs got announced, I think.

People are hoping that idea is being saved for a Kenobi movie set on tatooine. Although nobody's actually said that's being pursued at all, or even that a Kenobi movie is on the table.

Zack Snyder's love of Star Wars is no secret.

What if Disney promised to put him on the 'Star Wars Anthology'/'A Star Wars Story' potential directors list in return for, I don't know, say ... fucking up a rival comic cinematic universe.

Spoiler

 

[Glass Rebel]

Snyder is the best man in the business when it comes to translating comicbook panels to screen. Nobody else can make superheroes look, move and fight as good. But maybe this means he should only be a cinematographer instead of director? His best work was when he can just film panel by panel from comics.

What makes you think that Zack was responsible for the cinematographic achievements instead of, I don't know, his cinematographer?

 

[Firemind]

Ok.

That doesn't change the fact that many people think that most of his movies are garbage. I saw BvS twice with two separate groups of friends and out of 12 people everybody thought it was garbage. I am not sure why Snyder fans can't accept that a lot of people think he mostly makes shit.

Ok.

I mean, everything in life has its detractors. Even Jesus. And look what became of him.

 

[jmood88]

Ok.

I mean, everything in life has its detractors. Even Jesus. And look what became of him.

This is hilarious.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Ok.

I mean, everything in life has its detractors. Even Jesus. And look what became of him.

Poe's law in full effect brehs.

 

[Azazzel]

Ok.

I mean, everything in life has its detractors. Even Jesus. And look what became of him.

Holy Moly.