Tim Sweeney on the future of video games...
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CentralScrutinizer
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Games ARE about fun. He's for sure right about that.
ChorizoPicozo
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Aren't you anti-antiwoke?
2/3 of his statement is about issues around game dev (including political stuff). But our boy men in boxes thinks he found a gotcha.
Also, he is not describing the future, he is describing the present. Nothing insightful about it.
2/3 of his statement is about issues around game dev (including political stuff). But our boy men in boxes thinks he found a gotcha.
Also, he is not describing the future, he is describing the present. Nothing insightful about it.
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Zacfoldor
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Well what if we don't have many friends mate?
Sacrilege imo. Single player for life or get banned for teabagging and lose your entire library. Multiplayer is too risky now that my multi thousand dollar gaming library is tied to my behavior in specific games. What if I'm just good and get mass reported? Would Sony even tell me why I was banned?
Sacrilege imo. Single player for life or get banned for teabagging and lose your entire library. Multiplayer is too risky now that my multi thousand dollar gaming library is tied to my behavior in specific games. What if I'm just good and get mass reported? Would Sony even tell me why I was banned?
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This sounded like an ad for Fortnite. I haven't played a multiplayer game with my friends in 15+ years. Strictly single player games for me and I couldn't be happier.
He's right around one thing, games are supposed to be fun. But online multiplayer games aren't it, at least not for me.
He's right around one thing, games are supposed to be fun. But online multiplayer games aren't it, at least not for me.
ChorizoPicozo
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It's because of Fortnite that Unreal Engine went free.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Dr. Wilkinson
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"Anti-anti woke"? So just, "woke" then.
ChorizoPicozo
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Men_In_Closets
Magic Carpet
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Sounds like he is saying the future is the death of single player games.
ChorizoPicozo
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the voice of gamers has spoken.
But it's not free though unless some recent news just happened within the week.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Please tell me he didn't say this.....
What did they say about broken clocks?
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Oh wow!!! He did kinda say this in the video. Funny how he also said Fortnite has "thousands" of developers making it at Epic and 10s of thousands of gamers adding content. Why don't journalists ever try to find out how much it costs to keep a game like Fortnite running every year?
With "thousands" of devs, it sounds like it costs them over $150 million annually! How many companies on Earth have that kind of money to invest in a Live Service game per year?
Men_in_Boxes
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Radical Dreamer
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i can't listen to this fucking lex guy lmao
JustaStupidBoulder
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Killjoy-NL
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Not necessarily."Anti-anti woke"? So just, "woke" then.
Both Woke and anti-Woke are complete morons.
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Dr. Wilkinson
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My joke was that using anti twice in a row cancels the word out. So "anti anti" woke simply means woke. Same as how in mathematics, using a plus two times or a minus two times together cancels the first one out.Not necessarily.
Both Woke and anti-Woke are complete morons.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Hold on...........Fortnite makes Billions of dollars per year and Epic is still losing money on a per year basis?! GEEZ MAN!!!!
IbizaPocholo
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El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
As someone who's trying to make an indie game, all this AI stuff feels weird. On one hand it's cool to think I'm able to generate assets like whole music tracks in a matter of seconds but fuck me if it doesn't feel dirty to use them. Like at that point, could you even say that game you've "made" is really yours? I think not.
So I really hope Tim shuts up and Valve keeps including that AI tag in the store. I want to play games made by people with passion, not slop.
So I really hope Tim shuts up and Valve keeps including that AI tag in the store. I want to play games made by people with passion, not slop.
mrqs
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It's all about your taste and direction. It's your decision to pick music X instead of Y. That is what really matters at the end
El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I disagree with that being all that matters. When creating things there's nuance, there's the little details we include in there that reflect the soul and creativity of the person that made them. Be it when making music, 3D assets or coding gameplay mechanics you'll always come to conclusions during the creative process that will make you change what you are making based on those decisions, which could result in adding little details, chaging the pitch of an instrument or making a small adjustment on a gameplay mechanic.
I believe all that gets lost when you use something that was made by a machine instead of a person.
That's as a creator. As a consumer I'd prefer if products made with AI had a tag associated to them so I'm able to filter them out easily. I believe hard work should be rewarded and I'm not about to give my money to those who take shortcuts of any kind.
Wildebeest
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If you are totally supportive of AI you should still be for transparency of how AI was used because the more people feel like it is forced on them or used to rip them off the more of a backlash there will be.
Generic
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Fortnite is the best example of how to make a f2p game. All other f2p games should follow it.
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pudel
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cireza
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This tells the difference between people who are there for the money, and those for which it is a passion and a learning process. Sure, you can use AI everywhere and generate all your assets. This simply means you have no interest in challenging yourself at getting better and learning how to make visuals, musics, sound effects etc... Not saying this is easy, it is already extremely challenging for me to do all of this myself on an 8 bits system... but well, at some point, why are you making a game ? That's the real question.
The world is going to get flooded by AI generated content anyway, because it will make $$$. Doesn't mean everyone has to follow.
Generic
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Does Arc Raiders have an AI tag?
Generic
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There should be a physics tag as well. Game devs should animate hair and clothes by themselves instead of relying on the engine.
cireza
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Good point. Also a specific tag when they are using a shitty engine.
pudel
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Not a tag....it has an "AI generated content disclosure". I dont see whats wrong with it. Just keep it and if people are interested they can ask what exactly has been AI generated. Also it makes games being done without AI maybe more interesting to some folks. Just taking it away seems to be very narrow minded and negligent. But I clearly understand why Sweeney is saying such things.
El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Tim's an hypocrite. He want's to normalize AI use so he can save a few million dollars but at the same time, he doesn't want for anyone to find out.Not a tag....it has an "AI generated content disclosure". I dont see whats wrong with it. Just keep it and if people are interested they can ask what exactly has been AI generated. Also it makes games being done without AI maybe more interesting to some folks. Just taking it away seems to be very narrow minded and negligent. But I clearly understand why Sweeney is saying such things.
I already lost any respect for him when they delisted Unreal from all stores. This just cementes my opinion on him being a total hack.
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pudel
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Always was. This guy is changing his stance/opinions like others their underwear. Zero respect for such people.
diffusionx
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The future of gaming is AI churning out endless slop trinkets to sell dopamine hits to the retards who play live games. Insanely grim, at least we have old games.
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Generic
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AI should be normalized, it's a tool like any other. Complaining about AI in games is the new complaining about CG in movies.
Also reducing the budget of games is good, they are too bloated nowadays.
No big deal, gaming stores are already filled with sholveware, especially Steam.
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El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
So, complaining about something that makes the final product worse? Glad to see we agree for once.
Normalizing AI will open the floodgates to tons of poorly made low effort crap filling the digital stores. That's not good for you nor me.
Generic
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No, skilled artists use it to make things better.
"Normalizing AI will open the floodgates to tons of poorly made low effort crap filling the digital stores."
It's already like this, Steam have dozens of thousands of shovelware.
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El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Oh yeah and I'm fine with that. But both you and me know that they aren't using it as a tool but as a complete replacement. Just look at the last Call of Duty game and all the slop assets with 0 effort put into them, or at how much Windows 11 sucks because of all the "vibe-coded" features.
And it will only get much, much worse unless they keep tagging them as AI content and people are able to filter them out.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Naw, he can always play on EGS with Tim's personally curated amazing games only catalogue, same way he solved this problem with gaming he will solve every other one too so we should totally follow all he spews as the one truth.
I love how he says AI tagging has a place in art exhibits, guess we know what he thinks about games as art at this moment too. Not that Fortnite didn't make this obvious years ago...
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pudel
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The tag just gives you more information about the product you are buying. There is absolutely no incentive for anyone to take it away again...unless you want to actively hide the use of it.
El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
They better play them fast, you never know when uncle Tim might unlist another one of his games!
Damn I'm so pissed about the Unreal thing, sorry lol.
He thinks nothing about art, it's all about money for those people.
cireza
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And to no one's surprise, hand-drawn movies still look absolutely wonderful and stunning this day. CG movies are soulless compared to masterpieces such as the old Disney movies or Ponyo, to name only one movie from Miyazaki.
As usual, it's not like there is a single answer to everything. CG can be good, doesn't mean it is always better than hand-drawn. Also, many old movies that did not rely on CG but actual puppets and other real world effects aged beautiful, which can't be said about CG.
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LordCBH
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I agree. A UE5 tag would be nice.