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Time: George R. R. Martin interview, I am going to finish these books!
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VistraNorrez
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I'll never read the series so that doesn't matter to me.
Honestly, I take this stuff in stride, wouldn't at all be the first fantasy title I waited ages to for in order to read the conclusion. The black company hasn't had a sequel in like 17 years for instance. Last time I read Cook had 2 more books planned for the series and he was like "yeah I want to finish them, let me just get a few things out of the way in other writings" that was in 2005.
Been waiting for Rawn to finish the Exiles trilogy's third book over 20 years now.
Been waiting for Rawn to finish the Exiles trilogy's third book over 20 years now.
Matrix XII
Member
Couldn't get past the 2nd book in that series. The main character wasn't appealing to me. A part of me wants to continue at some point though.
There's 0% chance he's done by then. I think he was rounding down. :lol
WeAreStarStuff
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LOL I've been waiting forever for book 6. He may finish it, but I doubt he'll even write more than the start of the final book.
If you're here, you should. Wheel of Time is a massive 15 book series that Robert Jordan wrote 12 of and his wife gave his notes to Brandon Sanderson to do the final three.
It suffers a bit in the middle of the series but recovers nicely in the last couple he wrote and Sanderson's novels are a great finale trilogy with the last being like an entire book of the last few chapters of Game Of Thrones.
MarauderShields
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We will be lucky if the next book is out by 2021
The show barely resembles the books since, like, the 4th season. So many things have been changed that even if some big event is in the future books that was already in the show first, having some characters still alive or doing different things on the other side of Westeros, the books should/could make a lot of scenarios play out completely differently.
Not to even mention the books will have a lot of things that the show never even hints at.
Come on. GRRM isn't the paragon of health, but people in their late 60s & early-to-even-late 70s can still be perfectly able-minded and far from senile, so long as something like Alzheimer's doesn't destroy them.
old manatee
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curi0usBystander
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Nah, The Winds of Winter is supposed to be the sixth book, and then A Dream Of Spring is supposed to be the last. So I'm not too optimistic.
Yeah I know, and quite frankly I don't care anymore. It's so long between books that you feel compelled to go back and re-read all the previous books before the new one. I don't have the energy to go and re-read all that stuff again just to get ready for Winds of Winter when and if it ever comes out. There's too many other great novelists out there.
Just needs to hit 34 years to get that rounding down benefit! That's... actually still only barely plausible. Like, if he announces Winds is done next week, then maaaaaaybe.
Basically, he's fucked. I'm at the point where I just hope he gets far enough along that something coherent can be made out of the unfinished manuscript after the fact.
Matrix XII
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The fact that the show is going on its own kind of disenfranchised me from the series. I read up to a Dance with a dragons and then stopped.
Didn't like a Feast for Crows much at all personally. However, the first 3 were very good.
Maintenance
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Not even mad anymore, I'll get my ending from the show and he can stay doing whatever he wants.
But that's all there is so far?
LegendofDragoonLives
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If you want to finish these books, it's time to go on a diet first.
You should give it another chance, at least try to read it with the combined reading order of AFFC + ADWD.
AFFC is a slightly different kind of beast but not to its detriment unless you expect the book to immediately be able to continue dishing out events on the dramatic & wordly scale of the Red Wedding, Purple Wedding, Battle of the Wall and such without much regrouping & build up to it all. I found AFFC to be a really good book about the fallout from everything that happened in ASOS (& prior), showing the state of Westeros among common folk after all the spilled blood and starting to build towards future conflicts & important events. As with ADWD, its biggest flaw is the amount of cliffhangers & it not quite working as well as a standalone book as the previous books, but otherwise I don't think there's much of a dip in quality (if any at all).
Ghostofst4rm4n
Neo Member
You should add Kentaro Miura to that list with Berserk. Honestly I think both manga will finish before we see Winds published.
Miura releases Berserk chapters about as quickly as Martin has released/read TWOW sample chapters.
And aren't we, like, "a little over half-way through" Berserk or something, according to Miura? At least we know TWOW is presumably the penultimate book with the finale following it if all goes well. Who knows where Berserk will still go before we get to even the TWOW point of Berserk.
Dash_Riprock
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Lie to your fans all you want, George.
Just don't like to yourself...
Just don't like to yourself...
PeskyToaster
Member
He's just procrastinating because the property got too big and now no lowly editor can tell him to finish the god damn book.
Dr_LucienSanchez
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I went on a date a couple of weeks ago with somebody that works at one of the big sci-fi / fantasy publishers. She told me that it's basically accepted that Martin is done with The Winds of Winter, but he's not giving the draft to his publisher for review because he's not happy with it. Take of that what you will, but I found it kind of interesting.
Hari Seldon
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To be honest I'm probably not going to buy the next book and just wait to read it when the final book comes out (if ever).
Billy_Pilgrim
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If he does finish them, they will likely be terrible.
I wonder how deeply he regrets ripping up the plan and starting from scratch on the fourth book.
I wonder how deeply he regrets ripping up the plan and starting from scratch on the fourth book.
And yet again Martin reminds us that a Song of Ice and Fire is not the kind of series that he should be writing. It's too complex for his writing style and methods and since he's not willing to change them to meet the demands of his books, they take forever to come out (and are trash on publication). I've pretty much given up hope that the rest of the series is going to be any good.
Martin doesn't keep notes though.
I'd be on Martin's side here a bit, but a Song of Ice and Fire is only ~1.7 million words so far. It's a lot, but not excessively so; and certainly not to the point of excusing the sheer amount of time they take to write. Hell, I'm currently reading a writer who has written about 22 million words since 2006.
We are most likely 70 percent done, if not further, with Berserk going by what Miura has said. He also is releasing content for Berserk about 6 months out of the year for the last several years. He is far more consistent then GRRM.
I doubt it is done but it's definitely true that he has become even more of a perfectionist, which is probably at least part of the reason for the delays of both ADWD and TWOW. He even admits in this interview that he feels a lot of pressure to make these books "great".
I'm not surprised. Hell, Martin should have done the same with the a Dance of Dragons draft as well.
Sweeney Tom
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"I write the things that I want to write." Glad he's at least being upfront he doesn't want to write GoT anymore
We all did. lol
It's been evident for a while now that GRRM ran out of steam between books three and four. Ever since then, it's been long waits for mediocre books. I'm still kind of hopeful the series will conclude with a bang, some day, but I'm not really expecting anything anymore.
The first three books were really amazing, though. I'm glad to have read them even though the series effectively stalled there.
The first three books were really amazing, though. I'm glad to have read them even though the series effectively stalled there.
Dash_Riprock
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I post this on every "GRRM working the books, honest!" thread because it bears repetition:
The entire Star Wars prequel trilogy was conceived, written, produced, and released before GRRM will finish.
The entire Star Wars sequel trilogy, which NO ONE EXPECTED TO EVER GET prior to the Disney buy-out, will be conceived, written, produced, and released before GRRM finishes.
The entire Harry Potter series was conceived, written, and released.
The entire Harry Potter film adaptations were conceived, written, produced, and released.
The entire Lord of the Rings film trilogy was conceived, written, produced, and released.
The entire Hobbit film trilogy was conceived, written, produced, and released.
And its lookings more and more likely that the entire Stormlight Archive, ten books (yes, thats right, TEN) each of equal length to the longest books in ASoIaF, will be finished before GRRM. And that author started in 2010 FFS...
The entire Star Wars prequel trilogy was conceived, written, produced, and released before GRRM will finish.
The entire Star Wars sequel trilogy, which NO ONE EXPECTED TO EVER GET prior to the Disney buy-out, will be conceived, written, produced, and released before GRRM finishes.
The entire Harry Potter series was conceived, written, and released.
The entire Harry Potter film adaptations were conceived, written, produced, and released.
The entire Lord of the Rings film trilogy was conceived, written, produced, and released.
The entire Hobbit film trilogy was conceived, written, produced, and released.
And its lookings more and more likely that the entire Stormlight Archive, ten books (yes, thats right, TEN) each of equal length to the longest books in ASoIaF, will be finished before GRRM. And that author started in 2010 FFS...
Simply fantastic
Billy_Pilgrim
Member
*reads draft*
"Nope, don't like it. Better spend five years writing something twice as terrible."
more and more I htink I made the right decision to not read the books and focus on the series, sure is not as complete and rich, but I will get to see it all in 2 years time.
And I think its incredible how GRRM created something that people care so much about, they would put him first in line for a futurama like technology where we converse the heads of some people forever, so he could finish his 168 years of stories he has.
And I think its incredible how GRRM created something that people care so much about, they would put him first in line for a futurama like technology where we converse the heads of some people forever, so he could finish his 168 years of stories he has.
I don't think Martin has run out of steam. I think that he still has lots of great ideas but also has a hard time trying to articulate them. His writing style has a lot to do with it: he writes a whole bunch, and then it ends up not meshing very well with where he wants the overall story to go so he ends up having to redo it.
Ghostofst4rm4n
Neo Member
I'm sure we will see the end of Berserk. At least it's what I keep telling myself and waiting with bated breath on new chapters.
With GRRM and GoT, I am not sure all of the moving pieces he has set in place have conclusions he could be happy with today. And if the show, contrary to what he says is having an impact on what he writes, then who knows how many times he is going back to the drawing board.
and yet it's better than most fantasy trash that gets pumped out