Given how many games I already have, I can afford to be pretty lazy. I find it weirder how many people will put up with annoyances like origin just for one or two games.
Titanfall requires Origin.
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Saint Titanfall
That's not a software feature which is what this conversation is about. Otherwise you can name stupid shit like Origin is a worse name than steam it's less recognisable.
Zeyphersan
Banned
For real, I would LOVE GoodOldGames to make their own launcher or something, cause right now my desktop is fucking cluttered with all their icons. I don't have an issue with programs consolidating my games, I have more of an issue with my hard-drive being the fucking wild west. If it takes one more program besides Steam to accomplish that, I welcome it.
Edit: Actually, that's a REALLY good test. If GOG were to come out tomorrow and say "Hey, we have a new client! It's Steam-like, with a library you can sort through and all that jazz!" Who would be revolting as bad as people are in this thread?
Barely anyone, that's who. I can see it so clearly.
I quit playing Counter-Strike competitively and refused to play HL2 (still haven't played it) because of Steam. Steam is basically a monopolized version of Origin. With niftier features. But a monopolized version of online DRM, none the less.
That said, I gave in to Steam because it was a good way to get indie games back in 2008, and because I moved somewhere (Seattle) with really good broadband internet. Ironically enough, ended up buying the Orange Box for my 360.
Don't get the Origin hate but Steam love. I have Origin and Steam now, and understand that online DRM is going to be something that happens for a while. Sure as hell beats the "hey, lets have everyone make MMOs" bit, or the "losing great PC game developers due to piracy issues" bit. I think the entire DMCA is a bunch of bullshit, but until we fix the DMCA, the DRM issues are going to manifest one way or another. DRM is the symptom of the bigger issue (copyright issues in an era where you can infinitely replicate a product, both to sell it and to copy it) IMO.
Expounding on the losing great developers: got to hear a certain ex high ranking member of Epic (when I worked for a hardware developer in college) basically blow up at a meeting at what happened with UT2004 and its piracy concerns and specifically state that ...felt bad that I totally had let my entire college floor pirate my copy of it. I don't have any idea what impact (if any) piracy truly has on game sales, I suspect any non context specific impact study is full of shit and already knows what story it is trying to tell, but I do know that there are good developers who only develop for console because of piracy's perceived impact. Mind you, these are developers, NOT bean counters, who left PC game development over it.
Wish we'd all stop fighting over DRM and deal with the issue causing the DRM shenanigans - the DMCA / related copyright laws.
That said, I gave in to Steam because it was a good way to get indie games back in 2008, and because I moved somewhere (Seattle) with really good broadband internet. Ironically enough, ended up buying the Orange Box for my 360.
Don't get the Origin hate but Steam love. I have Origin and Steam now, and understand that online DRM is going to be something that happens for a while. Sure as hell beats the "hey, lets have everyone make MMOs" bit, or the "losing great PC game developers due to piracy issues" bit. I think the entire DMCA is a bunch of bullshit, but until we fix the DMCA, the DRM issues are going to manifest one way or another. DRM is the symptom of the bigger issue (copyright issues in an era where you can infinitely replicate a product, both to sell it and to copy it) IMO.
Expounding on the losing great developers: got to hear a certain ex high ranking member of Epic (when I worked for a hardware developer in college) basically blow up at a meeting at what happened with UT2004 and its piracy concerns and specifically state that ...felt bad that I totally had let my entire college floor pirate my copy of it. I don't have any idea what impact (if any) piracy truly has on game sales, I suspect any non context specific impact study is full of shit and already knows what story it is trying to tell, but I do know that there are good developers who only develop for console because of piracy's perceived impact. Mind you, these are developers, NOT bean counters, who left PC game development over it.
Wish we'd all stop fighting over DRM and deal with the issue causing the DRM shenanigans - the DMCA / related copyright laws.
How is it an annoyance? It's a download client for the most part. I buy games, play them, and don't use Origin the rest of the time. It's not like you're forced to run the client all the time or even most of the time, just when you want to play a couple of games.
what's a Uplay?
MisterNoisy
Member
French PC herpes.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
So Origin needs cards?
So its not about ease of use (which there isnt a difference).. its that Origin has the gall to exist at the same time as Steam?
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Saint Titanfall
Competition, reasons for Valve to improve itself and comparison point for consumers.
It's a software that loads up and plays games. I don't get the vitrol against it. Is it a virus? does it lose your saves? does it cost money. Why is it a sin for it to exist. Business have started up on far less.
I used origin to play BF3 and Syndicate. I had no problems, it was basically just another launcher for me. I'd prefer it on steam for the community and overlay features but I'm not complaining. Live streaming twitch integration is a neat feature and the overlay browser is much better than steams
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Dat sweet logo upgrade we got 3 years ago.
Nothing is keeping me from Origin. Like I said in my other post, Origin hasn't been a problem for me but I prefer Steam because that's where I've made the most investment and where the community is. It lacks a lot of the tertiary and quality of life features that Steam has but it does what it's supposed to and that's perfectly fine. Again, it's just a minor annoyance.
SteveWinwood
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The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineersdefines the term feature in IEEE 829 as "A distinguishing characteristic of a software item
oh a characteristic you say
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Saint Titanfall
I doubt those people had any real interest in the game to begin with.
Nabs
Member
You guys are amazing. I love you all.
SwiftDeath
Member
I dislike Origin because I value my rights for game ownership quite a lot. Personally I don't like steam that much outside of perhaps consolidation of a library. GOG is my preferred PC distributor. I have no desire to use origin because I want to own and be able to play any game I buy ad infinitum and while I find Steam a less compelling offering in that regard to GOG, I find Origin about a thousand steps down that ladder in my confidence for continued use of that game and or rights to it. I simply have no desire to own any game on origin because of EA's history with game ownership and their desire to control servers
Coffee Dog
Banned
If it's competition then why is it worse at everything? If EA actually made a great rival service then I don't think anyone would be complaining.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Steam may be the answer, but it's on EA's dime.
Sooooooooooooo......
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Saint Titanfall
That's not a characteristic of the software coding is it? Your argument is pointless. Everyone knows one software is more popular than the other that is worthless when you compare them directly to each up based on the actual software itself.
That's what this argument is about and I hope you realised that.
Infinite Justice
Member
No shit :O
Anyways i'll check it out on Origin since i can tolerate the software and i've already gone down a dark path with Uplay as well.
Anyways i'll check it out on Origin since i can tolerate the software and i've already gone down a dark path with Uplay as well.
SteveWinwood
Member
Well of course its semantics that's why I'm literally quoting dictionary.com.
More likely because everything with Derrick01 is extremes. Its one but not the other. Its his way or no way. He's the ultimate whatever-product-he-prefers warrior.
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Saint Titanfall
The same can be said of many companies that are second in a marketplace that's why they're second.
There's no doubt EA is attempting to be better whether that is successful only the future knows but the point is, they exist from a consumer perspective to ensure Valve doesn't get too complacent.
Neuromancer
Member
Battlefield 4 didn't have any issues on PC/Origin, did it?
BigDaddyFatSack
Banned
Never had an issue with Origin. I still don't get all the people hating it. What the hell did I miss?
BF4 was just trashy on all platforms. They shouldn't have released it early, period.
BF4 was just trashy on all platforms. They shouldn't have released it early, period.
Woo-Fu
Banned
People who spent the last 5 years trying to get off the island.
For the record I think Origin is a great dd client. Like it better than Steam now, in terms of footprint, functionality, and reliability, matter of fact. Of course Uplay makes both of them look like works of art. If I could switch all of my Steam games to Origin I'd do it right now.
legacyzero
Banned
Every issue with BF4 on PC was/is unrelated to Origin, unless you want to make the argument that Origin is the issue. Origin just chilled in the background. The only problem which isn't that big of a deal is that is that the game can't be launched discreetly. It has to open the Origin main window and puts it in front of everything. I wish it would just stay minimized.
That's more on an issue with EA, not Origin. In which case you probably should have had minimal interest in Titanfall in the first place due to Microsoft's control of the Azure servers.
Also as it stands, you're not going own the game either way.
Goodacre0081
Member
C. reach more people and release the product on both services. give the consumers a compelling reason to choose your service instead.
SteveWinwood
Member
Sounds like that would take work tho.
SwiftDeath
Member
Yes but my reasoning is why I have yet to buy a battlefield that was on Origin or any other origin locked title. The discussion was why someone might be opposed to origin over steam and why it can be explained rationally.
I'd say having the games people want to play on your service only us a compelling reason to use your service, wouldn't you?
DeadlyParasite
Member
I've never had an issue with Origin myself. The downloads speeds are definitely a lot better than Steams.
People blame the service (lol) for the abysmal state of Sim City or Battlefield when that responsibility lies on the developers who made the game. Origin is just a distribution method and as far as I know (you wouldn't blame Steam for Aliens: Colonial Marines being an awful game when all they do is just put it on their servers to download).
People blame the service (lol) for the abysmal state of Sim City or Battlefield when that responsibility lies on the developers who made the game. Origin is just a distribution method and as far as I know (you wouldn't blame Steam for Aliens: Colonial Marines being an awful game when all they do is just put it on their servers to download).
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Saint Titanfall
And the reasons why a business does any is because it does calculations and analysis and deems on method more profitable. That's pretty much it.
Woo-Fu
Banned
You don't have any less rights with Origin than you do without when it comes to EA software. You get the same LTU(License To Use), you just don't get the media kit.
People think that because they've bought a media kit that they own the software. You don't. You own a license to use the software, a license that is only yours under the publisher's terms, which you typically agree to when installing/running the game for the first time.
Syphon Filter
Member
And with that, NO BUY...
That wasnt working out so well for Origin so they had to start making things exclusive.
The one advantage Origin has over Steam is customer service. First of all it actually exists. Second, the person isnt a condescending piece of shit 99% of the time (more like half the time). Third, my question actually gets answered.
Maybe one day valve can unfuck Steam Customer Service. But I doubt it. They dont give a shit. If they did they would have fixed it a long time ago.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Here's your chance, you can WIN THE THREAD! What essential features does Origin lack that Steam has? So essential that the thought of using the program without them seems impossible.
I'll start with the reverse: Steam has no consolidated and friendly return policy, essential for any consumer-facing service. Your turn!
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
Xbox one purchase for sure lol
Uno Venova
Banned
You guys make good points about being upset that origin doesn't match up to important features steam has so it's annoying to have to use it...but are you sure this isn't just because you hate Titanfall.
JetBlackPanda
Member
Why is there this new trend on GAF to post threads with info that is clearly expected? It's pretty funny.
This game is already off my radar due to the lack of local servers. Combine that with Origin and I'm fine skipping this game.
Some people tolerate Origin, but every time it updates I get prompted with UAC, I have to re-enter my credentials after every update and have a separate friends list. Couple that with the fact most EA games are pretty awful these days and you have a distribution platform that has no purpose in existing. uPlay is just as bad in my opinion.
Hopefully Respawn review their agreement with EA for the sequel as this game looks like a lot of fun.
Some people tolerate Origin, but every time it updates I get prompted with UAC, I have to re-enter my credentials after every update and have a separate friends list. Couple that with the fact most EA games are pretty awful these days and you have a distribution platform that has no purpose in existing. uPlay is just as bad in my opinion.
Hopefully Respawn review their agreement with EA for the sequel as this game looks like a lot of fun.