Indiana Jones PS5 Physical Edition requires Internet to Install
Syphon Filter
Member
lmao MS played sony fans.
Syphon Filter
Member
its a huge issue since you dont own the game, once the servers go down you wont be able to install it.
Unfortunately this is the right response to a release like that. I will borrow the gamepass from a friend again to rent this game too.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
The fact that they could of fitted it on a disc kinda shows their intentions.
can't lose if you're already lost
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vodka-bull
Member
I remember I couldn't play Modern Warfare without the necessary day 1 update, even if I disconnected the PS5 from the internet and tried to reinstall it, it just wouldn't let me play the game. That was a PS4 game. So I guess a lot of games did the same thing already, we just didn't realize it…
Goalus
Member
There are also people who preemptively disconnect any network interface, both wired and wireless, before booting up a game. I heard that this is common practice in order to celebrate the single-player aspect of a game.
protonion
Member
One less game to buy.
Botched physical releases from big publishers can go to hell.
Not even a discount purchase neither pirating (if it was possible). There are more games than I have time to play.
I will speak with my wallet. As I did with AC Shadows.
Physical only unless small indies.
Bye
Botched physical releases from big publishers can go to hell.
Not even a discount purchase neither pirating (if it was possible). There are more games than I have time to play.
I will speak with my wallet. As I did with AC Shadows.
Physical only unless small indies.
Bye
SpiceRacz
Member
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Sucks but even these digital physical games are way. Ether thrash just digital because :
-not tied to an account
-cheaper 10-20$ than pan because retailers fight each other.
-own it
-got the box on shelf
-can sell or borrow
-and best - after installing with internet, these games are fully offline with disc in. You don't need internet then.
In fact - the only downside compared to full release on disc is lack of 1.0 playable version. You are forced to update.
-not tied to an account
-cheaper 10-20$ than pan because retailers fight each other.
-own it
-got the box on shelf
-can sell or borrow
-and best - after installing with internet, these games are fully offline with disc in. You don't need internet then.
In fact - the only downside compared to full release on disc is lack of 1.0 playable version. You are forced to update.
Cyberpunkd
Member
No problem, does the packaging mention internet connection and 100GB download is required for install and use?
Yes? Shit but ok.
No?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Absolutely not.
It's just selfish people looking for validation on investing tons of money into their locked digital libraries they don't own.
"I've made a good choice… it's the future… right guys?!"
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Nothing about this game is 125gb. It's a joke.
existensmaximum
Member
Of course, Sony will keep this game available for download from their servers forever! There's no way people will have trouble installing and playing this game in 20 years, right?
Right?
Right?
Lord Malachite
Member
As someone who primarily buys games physically, I don't have a huge problem with this. It would be a different story entirely if I needed the internet connection just to play the game. But for installation? I mean, every game requires an interconnection to install nowadays. How many games are not horribly broken in some way in the actual release version burned onto discs or uploaded to digital stores? There are always day one patches, may of them quite significant. This myth that as long as you own a game disc, it's fully playable, pretty much went out with the PS360 generation. If you can't connect to the internet, you can't patch your game. You can't download new content. You can't do much of anything. Many times you need an internet connection just to install content you actually paid for. Pre-order bonuses, no matter how small, are almost never embedded onto the disc or in the main digital download file. You have to access them separately on the digital storefront then download and install it separately from the main game.
Ever since the average game became larger than 50GB, it meant they wouldn't fit on a double layer Blu-Ray disc. Even going with a quad layer, a single disc is not large enough for Indiana Jones And The Great Circle. Sure, getting the game on two Blu-Rays would have been awesome, but not cost-effective. And Microsoft cares very much about cost-effectiveness.
At the end of the day, this is a current year problem. The larger games get, the harder it is to truly own them physically. It just is what it is.
Ever since the average game became larger than 50GB, it meant they wouldn't fit on a double layer Blu-Ray disc. Even going with a quad layer, a single disc is not large enough for Indiana Jones And The Great Circle. Sure, getting the game on two Blu-Rays would have been awesome, but not cost-effective. And Microsoft cares very much about cost-effectiveness.
At the end of the day, this is a current year problem. The larger games get, the harder it is to truly own them physically. It just is what it is.
Goalus
Member
I don't know about Sony, but I can still download Kameo on my latest Xbox and play it. That game came out 20 years ago, so it looks like you are right.
It looks like from your position these games are still Xbox exclusives then.Great so i save moneywas interested now not anymore. So far MS strategy on ps5 made me buy 0 games from them.
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SweetTooth
Banned
Guys, its Microsoft that cheapened out on using more discs.
ozz ex machina
Member
Great so i save money
I think this is more you clearly have an issue with MS. I cannot fathom wanting to buy a game and then refusing to because of something like this in 2025.
The_Observer
Member
Shame on them. But a note for digital future slaves: this is still better than going fully digital, because someone who buys this physically will always have the option to play it as long as there is a server. But if a digital owner loses his account for whatever reason the game is gone.
Ar¢tos
Member
Because it's much cheaper to press single layer discs than triple layer ones.
Fabieter
Member
According to chatgpt it's about a dollar. A dollar to give your customers a functional product.
Ar¢tos
Member
If you sell 3 million physical copies it's 3 million dollars more for you!
Profit is the main purpose of selling games.
Fabieter
Member
Maybe or you would have sold 5m instead which is better is up for debate i guess.
Ma-Yuan
Member
I never buy a disc thats worthless and incomplete would be the same of it was from Sony. But yeah i don't like MS vision for not owning shit similar to Ubisoft.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
If you sell the game for 70, and 21 of that go to Sony as a fee, you're left with only 49 of revenue. Now, if 1 is used for printing the multi layered disc, that diminishes your profit by 2,04 percent (of the total revenue). That is disgusting, absolutely unacceptable.
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Fabieter
Member
Well and it might even boost sales which gives you higher revenue and profit.
cart00nero
Member
sheep everywhere, so.......
Ar¢tos
Member
Informed gamers are a small percentage of the buyers and they know that.
rm082e
Member
And if your house gets robbed or burns down, you lose you physical games forever. Games bought digitally can just be re-downloaded on new hardware.
crackajack
Member
yeah, why bother even. use a dvd which is probably even cheaper and let us donwload another 15GB. Or just put a piece of paper in the box with a QR Code. Physical edition as a totally pointless box!
I can understand this anti consumer method for Switch, with game cards being probably very expensive, but f-ing BR discs?
Goalus
Member
Or if you have a rabbit that nibbles on the discs, you also have a problem.
Skifi28
Member
Or a rat, god forbid.
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crackajack
Member
A frisbee can also be sold, lend and thrown. It also does not have that Indiana Jones game on it. Very much like this pseudo physical release.
The_Observer
Member
Who talks about hardware? I'm talking about your account.
I don't understand people like you. You are fighting against your fellow gamers, but why? What we want is not a loss for you, yet you and some others are always fighting for these asshole corpos like your life depend on it. What do you gain from this? Maybe the poster was right who said company people are doing this and you might be one. I can't find any other logical reason for your behaviour.
Bond007
Member
Righhhhttt. Funny thing is- you can sell both the frisbee and the Indiana Jones disc if you needed to. Heck let a friend or child use it
Fabieter
Member
Isn't it right in front of the cover. Internet connection needed.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Is stuff like this even considered news anymore? At this point what games DON'T require an internet connection to either update or install? Now that would be some news.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
People love to complain about everything. It's turning into gaming's favorite past time.
Microsoft probably wants to save money and the game won't fit on a BD-66 disc and BD-100s are more expensive.
You have to remember for the physical disc, Microsoft is still losing like 30% of the revenue on sales. 15% is going to sony and 15% to the retailer.
This means they're still only making 49 dollars per disc. If people don't think the cost is significant enough to Microsoft just consider that they shipped Flight Sim on 2 BD-50 discs instead of a single BD-100.
It's not 1:1 with economies of scale, but verbatim sells burnable blurays at the following prices
10 spindle of 100gb - 100 dollars, unit price is 10 dollars per disc
25 spindle of 50gb - 70 dollars, unit price is 2.80 per disc
We could assume that even buying in bulk Microsoft would probably have to pay like 5 dollars per BD-100 vs like 2 dollars for a BD60.
Let's say on PS5, Microsoft sells 3 million copies of Indiana Jones and 70 percent of that is digital. That leaves 900K units physical and for shits and giggles let's assume they actually sell all the copies at the full rate of 70 dollars, even though the average selling price will probably be closer to 40 dollars.
That's 63 million dollars
-30% for Sony royalties and retail cut
That's 44 million dollars
Now let's compare selling on BD100 vs BD66 with our estimated values
900K BD100s @5 dollars per disc = 4.5 million dollars
900K BD66s @2 dollars per disc = 1.8 million dollars
Scenario A that makes a handful of gamers butthurt brings you down to 39.5 million, whereas the other scenario leaves you with 42.2 million, but the reality is even more dire once you calculate the more realistic average selling price. If you take it down to 45 dollars...
That means you're only going to get 31.5 million dollars in revenue before considering the price of the disc, which means that you're looking at losing 8.5% of your physical profits over gamers worried about not being able to play a game they're not going to play anyways in 10-15 years.
Microsoft probably wants to save money and the game won't fit on a BD-66 disc and BD-100s are more expensive.
You have to remember for the physical disc, Microsoft is still losing like 30% of the revenue on sales. 15% is going to sony and 15% to the retailer.
This means they're still only making 49 dollars per disc. If people don't think the cost is significant enough to Microsoft just consider that they shipped Flight Sim on 2 BD-50 discs instead of a single BD-100.
It's not 1:1 with economies of scale, but verbatim sells burnable blurays at the following prices
10 spindle of 100gb - 100 dollars, unit price is 10 dollars per disc
25 spindle of 50gb - 70 dollars, unit price is 2.80 per disc
We could assume that even buying in bulk Microsoft would probably have to pay like 5 dollars per BD-100 vs like 2 dollars for a BD60.
Let's say on PS5, Microsoft sells 3 million copies of Indiana Jones and 70 percent of that is digital. That leaves 900K units physical and for shits and giggles let's assume they actually sell all the copies at the full rate of 70 dollars, even though the average selling price will probably be closer to 40 dollars.
That's 63 million dollars
-30% for Sony royalties and retail cut
That's 44 million dollars
Now let's compare selling on BD100 vs BD66 with our estimated values
900K BD100s @5 dollars per disc = 4.5 million dollars
900K BD66s @2 dollars per disc = 1.8 million dollars
Scenario A that makes a handful of gamers butthurt brings you down to 39.5 million, whereas the other scenario leaves you with 42.2 million, but the reality is even more dire once you calculate the more realistic average selling price. If you take it down to 45 dollars...
That means you're only going to get 31.5 million dollars in revenue before considering the price of the disc, which means that you're looking at losing 8.5% of your physical profits over gamers worried about not being able to play a game they're not going to play anyways in 10-15 years.
