I'm saying. You would have to be legit inhuman, man. I really don't get it. People confuse the rational thing with the right thing too much.
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TLOU Ending or: How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the End
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I'm saying. You would have to be legit inhuman, man. I really don't get it. People confuse the rational thing with the right thing too much.
GravityInsanity
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Raonak
Banned
I didn't like the choice joel made, but thats what made it such a powerful ending.
Joel made a choice which wouldn't make total sense to the player,
but is the obvious choice for him.
The whole game was telegraphing the ending.
How he already lost a daughter. He became a jaded smuggler. Lost Tess. The mirrored situation with henry, when killed himself when his little brother turned.
How he didn't want to become attached to ellie.
Ellie was the only thing he had left in the world. Of course he would not let her die.
Naughty Dog did an excellent job playing around with the fact it's an interactive medium by removing the interactivity in the ending. you have no choice. You are not joel. you are merely a passenger.
Joel made a choice which wouldn't make total sense to the player,
but is the obvious choice for him.
The whole game was telegraphing the ending.
How he already lost a daughter. He became a jaded smuggler. Lost Tess. The mirrored situation with henry, when killed himself when his little brother turned.
How he didn't want to become attached to ellie.
Ellie was the only thing he had left in the world. Of course he would not let her die.
Naughty Dog did an excellent job playing around with the fact it's an interactive medium by removing the interactivity in the ending. you have no choice. You are not joel. you are merely a passenger.
It seems like an inconsistency to want to save Ellie out of a sense of morality when the pragmatic option (as the game frames it) is to let her die to save the hundreds of thousands the vaccine would save while saying the doctors who were eager to commit the sin and are most complicit in their immorality should be spared out of pragmaticism. While also ignoring that a doctor who makes what are realistically improbable predictions (if that's how you choose to frame their evaluation of finding a vaccine) would be good enough at their job to think they are worth keeping around. I mean, you're talking about guys who legitimately don't seem to understand how vaccines work, if they are made in the same way they are in real life. What kind of doctor or surgean is that? (and if they are not made in the universe of TLoU as they are in real life, the excuse of morality is inconsistent with your sense of pragmaticism).
BTW, just so you know, shooting a person in the leg is likely to kill them, since we have arteries in there and it's likely you'll just bleed out.
I hated Joel at the end, he's honestly a complete scumbag to me, but that majorly plays into why I thought the ending was so poigniant and why I loved it so much.
Just one point about Marlene. Granted she didn't know Joel very well, but she was the only one there who knew anything at all about him and she knew Ellie very well. Killing her would make it much more difficult for the Fireflies to track them down.
I remember a thread, I think maybe less than a year or a year after it's release. It was about how I think people considered it a modern classic and there was a few arguing that they didn't expect anyone to even be talking about the game all that much in a few years at most. Saying that classics are always talked about.
Yet regardless if you think it's a modern classic... We get TLOU ending topics like every other month. It's a game that's still fun to discuss and so on... Granted it's only going to be 4 years this year but even then. I can't think of other games that still have people talking about their endings. Hell, depending on how TLOU P2 treats the ending of TLOU, we may still be talking about it after P2 has come out!
Tragicomedy
Member
GOAT video game ending. Just sublime perfection.
No, it wouldn't. That's insane. She's only known Joel with 2 couple minute long encounters, and the only thing their third encounter taught her about him is that he is apparently the Terminator. What in the world does she know about Joel that would lead her to him after he runs away that another person wouldn't understand? How can she possibly follow him with a gut shot?
The only way this makes sense is if Marlene has no second in command to take charge once she's gone so there is a more disorder in the organization before they make a decision, which is improbable to the point of virtual impossibility. In a hostile world, one of the first things you establish in your militant order is a chain of command so everyone knows who to report to. And the first decision that the new leader would make is "Go after that guy and Ellie, they just stole a car and we know the city better than they do".
The outcome should be the same regardless of whether or not he kills Marlene. He doesn't even buy time, since it's not like Marlene can make the other fireflies come even faster to her, and he actually wastes precious seconds executing her when he could have used that time to run.
TheDangerMan
Member
I don't know that the fact he makes (in my opinion) terrible predictions about his odds of coming up with a miracle means he isn't accomplished at the actual act of surgery.
As I've said, to my mind there is so little chance that they can synthesize, manufacture and disperse a vaccine as to be totally negligible. It's a non-factor to my mind. I'll repost something I wrote about this topic years ago:
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Humanity is continuing, the situation is bleak but I didn't see anything to indicate it isn't sustaining itself. Even in the ideal situation Ellie dies and somehow those three doctors with inadequate facilities can make progress towards a vaccine.
I've never understood what the next step is supposed to be. The amount of research required would be immense. Even supposing they DO find some miracle compound that can work as a vaccine which is easily identifiable... how do they manufacture it? I don't really see a mass production as feasible with the facilities as they are. Let alone the supply problems with whatever components are required
Let say they overcome that hurdle as well and manage to mass produce a vaccine. How do you distribute it? Hunters aren't going to suddenly stop what they are doing because the Fireflies have a vaccine and say we should all play nice now. The majority of humanity has reverted into an almost feral state - they aren't just going to come back.
Maybe they manage to smuggle it straight into the major remaining quarantine zones (we never even find out how many are remaining). I highly doubt the military is going to relax their grip on people at this point. Power corrupts, and they have absolute power.
Let's say the military is overcome with benevolence. It seems fairly few zones are still standing (speculation to be sure but it seems the most likely situation to me) but even if there are many. What's the next step? How, with little functional modern infrastructure, do you reestablish anything resembling a functioning government? How do you even gather the survivors, and if you do, how do you feed them until sustainability (ideally a farming season) can be achieved?
In the end, even if all the improbable situations required to produce and distribute this vaccine all come to be, I think you're left with a world of small colonies of survivors eking out a meager life in a very hostile world. We already have that. Clickers, runners and bloaters will still be out there, and they are going to kill you if they see you. I've yet to see the clicker who bit me once non-fatally and moved on. To me, immunity to spores and non-fatal bites isn't going to "save humanity".
I believe the moral right was exactly what occured.
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As for the doctor surviving a leg shot - the man held a knife up and threatened to use it if I got near. I suspect the nurses/doctors in the room (whichever they were) would have a decent chance of saving him from a leg shot, and an artery hit is far from guaranteed. Even if it happened to kill him, I don't see a better choice.
Net_Wrecker
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This is the real scumbag move. The fact that Joel lies about what happened in order to maintain what he has.
The fact that he got her the hell out of there and killed everything though? That's what people hate? Get outta my face with that. The Fireflies were out of bounds with the way they were handling the situation. Kill everyone Joel, GO.
The ending is what made it a masterpiece, imo. I hated it so much, but even as I was experiencing it I was thinking... 'This is horrible... and utterly brilliant.'
The game leads you to believe so strongly that it's all heading for the cliched goodbye and sacrifice, but when it swerves in the other direction you can look back and see that the game put in the thematic work all the way from the start to make the ending work, to make it make sense.
It's somehow more devastating than if Ellie had died, and that's an amazing thing.
Man, if only more gamers would come to this realisation the industry and this forum would be better places. Props to you for that and for a great OP.
EDIT: After initialing thinking Joel was unjustifiable, discussing things online really did make me believe that there are two sides to the argument. He has seen that 'authorities' who claim to know what they are doing often have no idea, and don't act in the public good. There is no concrete evidence to believe the Fireflies can cure the disease. They can't even successfully keep a monkey in a cage. Ellie is asleep and never consents to her death - this is unacceptable. Add it all up and there are a lot of reasons to justify Joel's actions, even if at the time I certainly thought they were abhorrent and wrong.
The game leads you to believe so strongly that it's all heading for the cliched goodbye and sacrifice, but when it swerves in the other direction you can look back and see that the game put in the thematic work all the way from the start to make the ending work, to make it make sense.
It's somehow more devastating than if Ellie had died, and that's an amazing thing.
Man, if only more gamers would come to this realisation the industry and this forum would be better places. Props to you for that and for a great OP.
EDIT: After initialing thinking Joel was unjustifiable, discussing things online really did make me believe that there are two sides to the argument. He has seen that 'authorities' who claim to know what they are doing often have no idea, and don't act in the public good. There is no concrete evidence to believe the Fireflies can cure the disease. They can't even successfully keep a monkey in a cage. Ellie is asleep and never consents to her death - this is unacceptable. Add it all up and there are a lot of reasons to justify Joel's actions, even if at the time I certainly thought they were abhorrent and wrong.
I don't mind what he did...but like you said he should have been straight up about it. To me...his actions were for him moreso than Ellie.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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yup, i had no regrets i know i did the right thing.
I don't think the ending is about saving Ellie vs saving humanity. It's about Joel choosing to selfishly fill the gap in his heart left by his daughter's death. Joel was not saving Ellie, Joel was saving Joel. And he sacrificed everyone to do that. He's a rare villain that is truly sympathetic.
So, big picture. The three main characters by the end are Joel, Ellie, and Marlene.
Joel is desperate to be the father he could not be at the beginning of the game and save his daughter. (Notice how the beginning and end play off of eachother?)
Ellie is desperate to make her life, the lives of others (Tess, Riley, Sam, etc), and the journey you've been on together mean something.
Marlene (as we discover through audiologs) is desperate to make the sacrifices and faith of her friends, family, and the Fireflies mean something, even above the life of an innocent girl. The Fireflies have sacrificed so much and giving them Ellie, even if she doesnt lead to a cure, validates their losses and their faith.
Each character goes in true to themselves and acts in what they believe are their own best interests (though you could argue Joel is acting in Ellie's too, and doesnt believe she should make the call).
Everyone goes into the finale trying their hardest to find meaning in the pain and suffering they've endured, and the fact that theyre even alive after the fall of civilation. Trying to justify their life and their journey and their own existence.
"It cant be for nothing"
On a meta level, the above quote is relevant to all post apocalyptic fiction. Humanity seeks to justify its continued survival and push onward in the face of extinction, because the alternative is that it was all for nothing.
Perfect ending.
Joel is desperate to be the father he could not be at the beginning of the game and save his daughter. (Notice how the beginning and end play off of eachother?)
Ellie is desperate to make her life, the lives of others (Tess, Riley, Sam, etc), and the journey you've been on together mean something.
Marlene (as we discover through audiologs) is desperate to make the sacrifices and faith of her friends, family, and the Fireflies mean something, even above the life of an innocent girl. The Fireflies have sacrificed so much and giving them Ellie, even if she doesnt lead to a cure, validates their losses and their faith.
Each character goes in true to themselves and acts in what they believe are their own best interests (though you could argue Joel is acting in Ellie's too, and doesnt believe she should make the call).
Everyone goes into the finale trying their hardest to find meaning in the pain and suffering they've endured, and the fact that theyre even alive after the fall of civilation. Trying to justify their life and their journey and their own existence.
"It cant be for nothing"
On a meta level, the above quote is relevant to all post apocalyptic fiction. Humanity seeks to justify its continued survival and push onward in the face of extinction, because the alternative is that it was all for nothing.
Perfect ending.
Chuck Norris
Banned
The ending made the game legendary. We would not be taking about it years later if it was a "humanity was cured and everybody lived happily ever after" ending
There are people who truly believe the opposite of this and it baffles me.
I never saw that 'okay' as indicating that she knows what happened. I saw it as indicating that she's cool with not knowing. She knows he's lying, but not about what... and she says "I'm okay with that. Let's press on."
It's sad and yet real. She loves him like family at that point. But it drives home the point that Joel has defeated Ellie's idealist nature. He has gained something (newfound purpose, a surrogate daughter), but Ellie has lost her purpose and some of her will.
Nope, good thing you didn't direct the game.
Saving Ellie out of genuine care is not mutually exclusive with his need to not see another child he loves die.
You could argue both, as I certaintly would.
Joel is fucked up and crazy, and by the ending desperately trying to seal a wound he tried most of the game to keep from re-opening (the loss of his daughter).
With that said, his love is true. Dude fights with dad strength to the nth degree because he cares about Ellie more than anything else.
She knows where Joel is from, she knows some of the people he associated with. She may have even known Joel's brother from his time in the Fireflies. With her connections in Boston she would most likely have an easier time tracking him down then someone who know absolutely nothing about him.
Chuck Norris
Banned
The fact that the first thing the doctors wanted to do to Ellie was kill her kind of shows they had no idea what they were doing
They don't want to run tests on a living being? Trial how her living body reacts to the virus? I mean experimentation may have been even worse for Ellie but it wouldn't have shown a total level of incompetence
They don't want to run tests on a living being? Trial how her living body reacts to the virus? I mean experimentation may have been even worse for Ellie but it wouldn't have shown a total level of incompetence
M0nochromatic
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After playing LISA: The Painful, I've become somewhat more sympathetic to Joel's plight. I better understand the emotional argument that is in his favor. He would rather throw away the hope of all of humanity before he lost another kid. "Fuck em" is a perfectly fine rationale.
At the same time, my interest in the sequel is primarily how their relationship grows, or crumbles based on how Ellie deals with an individual who thinks like that. How will he deal with her possible and very probable resentment? So yeah, it's a good ending.
At the same time, my interest in the sequel is primarily how their relationship grows, or crumbles based on how Ellie deals with an individual who thinks like that. How will he deal with her possible and very probable resentment? So yeah, it's a good ending.
This is my hope for the sequel too. An exploration of how Ellie reconciles her love for Joel with his betrayal of her trust and her survivor's guilt.
Just shows you how selfish his decision was though. I love talking about this though : )
Sorry, but you're making up problems you have no evidence to prove exist. Lets say that science works differently in TLoU universe and they can produce it rather easily. I mean, it's not like wounds are depicted realistically, with Joel up and about at full ability only hours after taking some medicine after however many days of being bedridden after having an iron bar pierce his side. If that's possible, it's not too out there that the doctors are right and they can just whip up a vaccine with ellies brain like making scrabbled eggs.
And as far as the fireflies go, same thing. You have no idea what resources they have or don't have at their disposal. Or, even better, how do you know that once they have found a cure, other factions wouldn't offer their own resources in hopes of getting that cure? Humanity fell apart because it lost hope. It could fuck it up now that they recieved it again, but it's not an inevitability. Maybe the leaders of the factions see the opportunity they have to save the world and just give the fireflies what they need. I'm not saying they'll all hold hands and kumbaya, but they are under threat of extinction unless the vaccine gets made. It's possible they'll work together just for that part alone.
Who cares? The argument you seem to be making now here is "We can't make people not be shitty, so whats the point?" Lets go with your scenerio, which frankly isn't unlikely. The world has been operating in a different way for 40 years and it will take generations to adjust in order for people to become somewhat civilized again.
So what? So we have a totalitarian regime for a couple centuries or however long while hunters continue being feralistic tribes. It's not a perfect societal existence, but all it means is that humanity just has to retread it's steps from where it used to be. We had totalitarian regimes aplenty, we're still going strong.
The point of the vaccine isn't to fix all of humanity's darker urges, it's to open the door to being rebuilt or atleast remove the possibility of extinction. That's it's only purpose, make it so humanity as a whole doesn't go extinct. If that results in the tyranny of one faction or another, well, that sucks, but that's humanity for you. It's not good, but it's not a threat to humanity, because tyrants are humans as much as the people they're oppressing. No matter how shitty things become, there is no threat to us as a species from ourselves. The virus is, however. I never expected the vaccine to be a magic fix for shitty people, just one that makes it so it's no longer afraid to retake the land it lost to the new dominant species.
Again, these are potential problems you have no evidence that even exist, except more unlikely. Having the resources to create, manufacture, and distribute the medicine feels atleast somewhat realistic, since not many people know how to make medicine. But agriculture? That's relatively easy. There is no reason to think humanity doesn't have the resources to rebuild, because the only reason we are ever given why we can't go out into the open land is because "There be zombies"
If we can remove the threat of infection, you just need some decent police gear and all but the bloaters can't do shit to an armored group. The main threat lies in the fact that a single wound, however small, kills and then replenishes their number. Once you get rid of that, the zombies aren't a real threat. It doesn't matter how they don't give up trying to bite you if you have a decent set of riot gear protecting you. Combine that with some guns and ammunition, as well as a squad to watch your back, the zombies don't have a chance.
And once you do that, it's just a matter of making progress in terms of land use and establishing a government. And when I say that, I don't meant a benevolent government. Again, it's perfectly possible that we are looking at a militaristic totalitarian regime. That's fine. People will live under martial law for a couple generations, maybe they'll slowly dial back the fascism, or maybe it will take another bloody revolution. Again, that all sucks, but it's not a threat to humanity and it's how things have basically progressed for all recorded history of humanity. It's not good, but it's perfectly normal.
Okay. Think about what your saying here.
You're suggesting that, to track joel she is going to go to Boston from Salt Lake City, which is over 2000 miles away on the flimsy possibility that Joel is stupid enough to go somewhere that she could predict from talking to people he knows. Joel is unlikely to be going anywhere in particular, or if he is, it's probably unlikely to be somewhere that he knew he was known to go. He's effectively in hiding. He's not going anywhere where he is going to be recognized. There's no evidence that Marlene even knows Joel's brother, or do you think all fireflies know each other?
It's nothing short of ridiculous. Unless you're suggesting that Marlene is telepathic, she knows nothing about Joel that a complete stranger wouldn't. Even if what you said was true, the time it'd take to get to boston and then get back would give Joel such a head start that it wouldn't matter what information she got. THe only chance the fireflies had of realistically catching up to them is immediately, and they were going to try to do that regardless of whose in charge.
The Last of Us Ending has done something that no other game ending has done for me, it managed to be an ending I disliked as I first watched it, but then after the credits rolled and I took it all in and really thought about it and reflected on the journey the game had brought me on, I realized the ending was perfect and I loved it.
This was an ending that was brave enough to go against the expected trope of the hero saving the day, more so, it made me realize that I had been so ingrained to expect a hero's ending in games that I initially got upset on the rare occasion when I didn't receive it, despite the ending being more fitting to the story, the character of Joel and the game world.
Also, when I thought about it some more, in addition to the ending fitting Joel's personality which could be looked as as being purely self-serving, I realized that Joel is a product of that world and that it's a world that doesn't deserve to be saved, or rather, the majority of people that Joel and Eli encounter are past saving....except for one (Tommy's community), and ironically it's the only community that despite the odds has learned to live civilly. Basically, the one community Joel and Eli encounter who still have enough humanity to be most deserving of a cure happens to be the same group that has no desire of coveting it or taking advantage of Joel and Eli, since it's a group that has managed to carve out a successful community where everyone works together and looks out for each other in spite of the horrific world they live in. Even after learning the secret Tommy is uninterested in taking advantage of them and instead sends them on their way with fresh horses and supplies. Tommy's community shows that the better, more cooperative and more humane parts of humanity manages to survive regardless, just in seclusion.....it's actually those that are the most corrupt and power-hungry who are aggressively searching for the cure, and only for reasons of acquiring power over others.
This was an ending that was brave enough to go against the expected trope of the hero saving the day, more so, it made me realize that I had been so ingrained to expect a hero's ending in games that I initially got upset on the rare occasion when I didn't receive it, despite the ending being more fitting to the story, the character of Joel and the game world.
Also, when I thought about it some more, in addition to the ending fitting Joel's personality which could be looked as as being purely self-serving, I realized that Joel is a product of that world and that it's a world that doesn't deserve to be saved, or rather, the majority of people that Joel and Eli encounter are past saving....except for one (Tommy's community), and ironically it's the only community that despite the odds has learned to live civilly. Basically, the one community Joel and Eli encounter who still have enough humanity to be most deserving of a cure happens to be the same group that has no desire of coveting it or taking advantage of Joel and Eli, since it's a group that has managed to carve out a successful community where everyone works together and looks out for each other in spite of the horrific world they live in. Even after learning the secret Tommy is uninterested in taking advantage of them and instead sends them on their way with fresh horses and supplies. Tommy's community shows that the better, more cooperative and more humane parts of humanity manages to survive regardless, just in seclusion.....it's actually those that are the most corrupt and power-hungry who are aggressively searching for the cure, and only for reasons of acquiring power over others.
Its not exclusive, but my impression of Joel is that (maybe subconsciously) it was the true driving force.
I don't have any kids (yet), but as someone who has also felt the pain of losing a loved one multiple times, I loved every bit of that ending. I killed every single firefly I could on my way to that operating room and I felt no remorse killing those doctors. And I think what makes this ending even stronger is when you think about Joel's relationship to Tess. In the first half of the game, she was a huge reason why he decided to do this. He didnt want her sacrifice to be for naught, but that ending obviously goes against everything she believed in. By the end Ellie meant a whole lot more to Joel than Tess ever did. Thinking about that really got to me. That's when you realize just how much Joel grew to love Ellie by the end of the game.
You don't feel there was any genuine bonding between Ellie and Joel throughout the entire campaign?
There definitely was, but bonding happens for different reasons for different people, and also can happen on multiple levels of a character's emotional terrain at once.
Agreed. I think "the greater good" point of view is all well and good in theory, but I'm not sure many fathers would be willing to let their child die for it, regardless of whether or not the child wanted it.
The game opens with Joel losing his daughter, and it very obviously breaks him as a person. I can't see how he'd let that happen a second time if it was within his power to prevent it.
I actually thought this was a happy ending, even if it was dark. We don't see what happened to the world because of Joel's decision. We don't see, meet or get to know the folks who deserve to be saved. I know Ellie, she deserves to be saved because I love her.
PatThePassive
Member
Round 2 of this, ending sucks, Joel sucks, and the ending shits all over Ellie removing her redeming qualities when she became Joels forced surrogate daughter.
Before the "its not black and white" and "you care so much it had an impact on you" and last but not least "your supposed to hate Joel" crowd I get that aspect and still hate the ending yes that's possible.
Only thing good about the ending is now I wonder how if at all they are going to salvage Ellie as a character in TLOU2
Before the "its not black and white" and "you care so much it had an impact on you" and last but not least "your supposed to hate Joel" crowd I get that aspect and still hate the ending yes that's possible.
Only thing good about the ending is now I wonder how if at all they are going to salvage Ellie as a character in TLOU2
TheDangerMan
Member
If we're starting from the viewpoint that "science works differently" to that degree the conversation becomes meaningless and I'll revert to what I said on page 1, morality is irrelevant here. Joel does what he does because he loves her as a daughter and is a broken man in a broken world. That said I'll argue the point about that Joel's recovery supports your view here. He was given injections of antibiotics directly to the site of infection, and doesn't wake until the next next day (and in a clearly still injured state).
"Bloaters" as in multiple would annihilate a riot squad IMO. And beyond that I'm basing assumptions on the fact we have a "zombie" (close enough) apocalypse scenario that's gone on 20 years. I dispute your claim that "once we get rid of that they aren't a real threat". It is more than reasonable to assume that the infected outnumber the non by a massive margin at this point. If we can't agree on that then fair enough, we can agree to disagree and there's no point speculating further. I question how you'd contact these other faction leaders, who using your same logic we have no way of knowing exist (as you put it, now you're making up solutions we don't know exist). There is no communication between whatever groups exist, and we don't know of many.
I don't actually agree. I think that society falls apart far easier than it is constructed. What might fall apart quickly isn't necessarily rebuilt as quickly. Society is not the default state of nature, even for man.
But we already have that, and even with a vaccine we are massively outnumbered by the infected. I think that 20 years in a point of balance seems to have been reached, and that communities like Jackson are the way going forward. I'll grant a vaccine would be helpful in the event of all the unlikely scenarios required for it to actually work came together, but I think humanity is surviving either way.
Again, I think humanity is already surviving, and that the cost of innocent life to chase the fairy tale of a vaccine which requires "science working differently" doesn't add up as moral to me.
There will still be zombies, and they still massively outnumber us. You have no evidence that your conditions which are so favorable exist either, its speculation for fun and I think my scenario makes more sense and is better supported by the limited evidence presented in the game..
Bloaters can rip your head off, and riot gear wouldn't save you from even a clicker if it got its hands on you. The numbers game is too late to play here, there is no way they don't have it. Roaming squads would still take casualties very, very frequently and even if they aren't reproducing numbers won't go in your favor for generations upon generations to come.
You keep repeating I have no evidence of the situation, but frankly neither do you and the general tone of the world is somewhat more bleak than you are arguing in my opinion.
As an aside what a fun thing to debate, thanks for the interesting counter points. I stand by my interpretation of the moral right in the situation but it does make for an enjoyable discussion!
boredandlazy
Member
Shit like this only impedes the evolution of gaming. Good riddance.
InsaneTiger
Member
It was the best ending or any game and I hated it. I felt like I was Joel but then playing as Ellie I realized I was just the player guiding these characters. I knew Joel was not going to stand by and let Ellie die. She meant too much to him at that point, she helped his pain of Sarah death. Sure she couldn't replace Sarah but the man had lost enough in his mind, he wasn't going to lose again, not if he could help it.
The fact he lies to her at the end just solidifies how selfish he is. Choosing to not tell her the truth to protect what she thinks of him and how it might affect their relationship.
The relationship will be very interesting to see develop in TLOU 2.
The fact he lies to her at the end just solidifies how selfish he is. Choosing to not tell her the truth to protect what she thinks of him and how it might affect their relationship.
The relationship will be very interesting to see develop in TLOU 2.
Took you a little while to get there, but hey, at least you got there. When the rest of us say we love the ending this is exactly what we mean. Welcome to the club.
This again. You realize that this is Naughty Dog's story, so they have the right to continue it as they wish, right?
I'd argue that it's even more risky to continue the same story, because it opens them up to more scrutiny that they would've received if they had just done a completely new story.
Obviously, it could've been left as it was, but now that we now they're continuing it, let's just look forward to that instead of complaining about what, in your opinion, should've been done.