Tom and Jerry: Are we all in agreement that Jerry was the bad guy?

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Tom and Jerry to me was always two animals getting into constant, escalating trouble. Jerry would often tempt fate, and Tom would often wreck everything in his path trying to catch the mouse.

There are certain episodes where Tom was definitely worthy of sympathy though, usually when he's often put in the role of some kind of job that he needs to be good at but Jerry makes it hard for him. There was one episode in particular where the setting was Three Musketeers (except just two of them, Jerry and another mouse that could talk and provided all of the lines), and they infiltrate a noble's home to do what mice do and raid the food. Tom was the night guard of the noble house.. What happens at the end of the episode
after the mice succeed and parade home with their cheese, Tom is executed for his failure.
 
daninthemix said:
The weird thing is as a kid I never questioned it - I simply accepted that Tom was the bad guy because the show framed it that way. Now I see things different.
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Same here.

I always knew Tweety was a cunt though. Wise cracking little shit running to granny like that annoying kid in school that would start shit then run to a teacher.
 
I didn't hate Jerry as much as this little shit.
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Acorn said:
Same here.

I always knew Tweety was a cunt though. Wise cracking little shit running to granny like that annoying kid in school that would start shit then run to a teacher.
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In fairness to Tweety, he never starts anything, though he ALWAYS finishes it

When I was a kid the ep where he drinks the jekyll and hyde potion CREEPED ME OUT.
 
Tom is always on the bad end of things (sometimes frighteningly bad) all because he wants to steal some food. Jerry is the Devil.
 
They were friends, just stuck in a bad situation - they couldn't escape biology.

Road Runner was a total shithead though, was anyone ever on his side?
 
Blue Volt said:
I didn't hate Jerry as much as this little shit.
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Oh god, even Jerry seemed to hate this little bastard.

Yeah I always rooted for Tom, mainly for the episodes when he got his ass beat by the woman of the house because Jerry was fucking shit up and Tom was attempting to stop it.

Though of course sometimes Tom was fucking with Jerry and had it coming, most of the time Tom was just doing cat stuff.
 
Red Liquorice said:
They were friends, just stuck in a bad situation - they couldn't escape biology.

Road Runner was a total shithead though, was anyone ever on his side?
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I just hated Road Runner/Coyote cartoons in general. It's like they took the basic concept of Tom and Jerry, but sucked out every last bit of charm and watchability. I genuinely hope they both starved to death in the desert.
 
As a child, I found Jerry to be an insufferable little shit. Still do, eheh. Same story with freaking Scooby-Doo and his band of bastards. Honestly, it's as though everyone in Hanna Barbera cartoons who was middle aged was evil. And that teenagers go and stop them. Obviously, this is not true. Middle aged people are merely amoral, and teenagers are all meanies.
 
He was certainly a jerk. Let's not forget what Itchy and Scratchy is based on...



But still not as much of a jerk as those kids in the Trix commercials.
 
Someone mentioned the difference between jerry and bugs is that bugs is funny, I disagree becauuse bugs isn't that interesting most of the time. Ussually, espically as of late, they gotta stick daffy with bugs because bugs can't carry anything by himself, because being the cool guy isn't that funny or entertaining. Daffy is the batman to bug's superman, superman is the og but batman is who they actually believe in. Its why I found that whole plot point in loony toons back in action funny, daffy gets more play than bugs does most of the time. Its not like they can't make good bugs, they have the loony toons show bugs despite not being as funny as everyone else in that he was still hilariously flawed. That's the bugs bunny I like not cool guy I win bugs bunny. That's just boring.

Sorry tangent.

Hot Coldman said:
uhhhhhh
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I mean if the guy googles hard enough.....
 
Fan of Tom, Sylvester, and Wile E. Coyote here. I remember my mom looking at the TV when Tom and Jerry was on saying "Is that stupid mouse being mean to that poor cat again?"

Bugs was OK though, I liked him too.
 
I always rooted for Jerry, and I think my two older brothers did so too. It's the small mouse versus the evil cat, David vs. Goliath if you will.
Also some of the German versions had voice overs by Jerry in the beginning of the cartoon, which made you sympathize with Jerry. Is it the same in the original?
 
Tom changed his name from Jasper to Tom, bugger must have been hiding from some heavy shit to go underground like that. It's true though, he was originally called Jasper. You even hear him called it in the first short.

But yeah, Jerry was an evil little sod. Wouldn't give Tom (Jasper) 5 minutes peace.
 
MasterBalls said:
I just hated Road Runner/Coyote cartoons in general. It's like they took the basic concept of Tom and Jerry, but sucked out every last bit of charm and watchability. I genuinely hope they both starved to death in the desert.
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I have the opposite opinion. Road Runner & Wile E Coyote were my favorite Looney Tunes, while I came to outright dislike Tom & Jerry. Sure, they were essentially a cat-and-mouse game between two mute characters, I preferred to see how Wile E's plans would blow up in his face (sometimes literally), and I preferred the redrock desert setting over just being in a house. Road Runner wasn't even evil, he just took time to mock Wile E, and was otherwise blissfully unaware of the danger he was potentially in.

zorlaczerohero said:
Tom changed his name from Jasper to Tom, bugger must have been hiding from some heavy shit to go underground like that. It's true though, he was originally called Jasper. You even hear him called it in the first short.

But yeah, Jerry was an evil little sod. Wouldn't give Tom (Jasper) 5 minutes peace.
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I've seen that short. Jasper and Jerry doesn't sound as good though.
 
Spike was the real victim. He was just trying to give a healthy upbringing for his son, and they always get intertwined with all Tom and Jerry's bs.

I don't get the Sylvester support. He was always the instigator. The cat doesn't have to climb up and open the cage just to murder someone.
 
Grimm Fandango said:
What's up with all this hate for the Chuck Jones' era? Is there an article or history I'm missing?
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I can't seem to find a source instantly, but I have a recollection that Jones himself said that he wasn't too fond of the shorts he directed and didn't know what to do with the characters. It shows. By that point in his career, though, his primary focus was to make sure everyone had the bushiest eyebrows they could possibly have.

While I'm here, I will say that the one redeeming quality I find out of the Dietrich shorts are the audio qualities and sound effects in them. Very distinct and visceral.
 
Village said:
Someone mentioned the difference between jerry and bugs is that bugs is funny, I disagree becauuse bugs isn't that interesting most of the time. Ussually, espically as of late, they gotta stick daffy with bugs because bugs can't carry anything by himself, because being the cool guy isn't that funny or entertaining. Daffy is the batman to bug's superman, superman is the og but batman is who they actually believe in. Its why I found that whole plot point in loony toons back in action funny, daffy gets more play than bugs does most of the time. Its not like they can't make good bugs, they have the loony toons show bugs despite not being as funny as everyone else in that he was still hilariously flawed. That's the bugs bunny I like not cool guy I win bugs bunny. That's just boring.

Sorry tangent.


I mean if the guy googles hard enough.....
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This just reminds me how great original Daffy was before they turned him into a foil for Bugs and drastically changed his character.
 
Saganator said:
Kinda opposite for me. I rooted for the bad guys in a lot. Like Inspector Gadget... he was an incompetent dope, his daughter Penny and that fucking dog Brain would always save the day at the last minute. I really liked Inspector Gadget show, but I pretty much hated the main character and rooted for his demise every episode.

Tom & Jerry has an interesting dynamic. There is no clear underdog. It should be Jerry, being smaller and natural prey to Tom. However, Tom is a bit incompetent while Jerry is smart and capable, which makes Tom an underdog. The show makes it pretty clear who the underdog really is, Tom, but makes you think twice about rooting for him since he sometimes does pretty devious things to eat try Jerry.
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In old cartoons, the laws of the universe would play unfairly to one character over another. There's no reason Wile E. Coyote shouldn't have been able to capture Roadrunner. However all his plans would backfire in completely ludicrous and physically impossible ways. That's the kind of thing that made these characters underdogs to me.

I do also have a thing for villains, though.
 
Jerry screwed over Tom more times then he can count. I've always been irked by that small ass smug smile Jerry throws at Tom every once in a while.

It got to a point where Tom didn't want to eat him, but get his ass out of the house so he didn't have to suffer.
 
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