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[oatmeal]

The text messages are pretty damning. Oh wait, I forgot, McNally called himself the deflator because of his weight loss. Mm-hmmm.

There's also the sentence directly following what you quoted where I said it cannot be definitively proven, so you may wanna work on your reading comprehension.

So it is proven because of your lack of reading comprehension, and I'm the one that lacks reading comprehension.

Got it.

So Goodell said he wouldn't punish Brady for not giving up his phone and then punished him anyway.

IT WAS THE PERFECT CRIME

 

[ParityBit]

Very good summary. Too many people are making it sound like you have to support Roger Goodell if you think Tom Brady and the Patriots were cheating. There's absolutely no reason why that should be the case. It seems fairly clear to me that Brady is most likely guilty of what he's been accused of . It's also been clear for a long time that the NFL has a serious problem in how it handles player discipline, with Goodell being the main source of that problem.

How is it clear? In any of the text messages did Brady ever say anything about deflating footballs? In the millions of emails released? How about in the Patriot phones which were given to the investigation, including Bill Belichicks?

Again, how is it clear?

Talking about seeing ghosts ...

 

[jmdajr]

....





fun!

 

[BronsonLee]

So Goodell said he wouldn't punish Brady for not giving up his phone and then punished him anyway.

IT WAS THE PERFECT CRIME

THAT'LL TEACH YOU, BRADY
But..wait, huh?
SHUT UP, TIME TO GO TO SPORTS JAIL

 

[jtb]

I really do not understand what the league gets out of any of this. I guess it deflects attention away from concussions and domestic violence by protecting the "integrity of the game," but really the fact that those two issues are looming in the background just makes them look even more incompetent and petty.

Even from the start, it's way too easy for Brady to feign plausible deniability. Just fine him. Strip a 3rd rounder or something. Who cares.

 

[oatmeal]

How is it clear? In any of the text messages did Brady ever say anything about deflating footballs? In the millions of emails released? How about in the Patriot phones which were given to the investigation, including Bill Belichicks?

Again, how is it clear?

Talking about seeing ghosts ...

Not to mention that there is no evidence whatsoever of tampering with the balls.

But you can always ignore science.

 

[NH Apache]

I feel bad for Tom, his wife, Bridget and the kids. All this private shit aired publicly over nothing.

 

[Clearos]

Thank you NFL, now there are a bunch of articles about how Tom Brady reacted about a pool cover and other things about the man's private life that none of us need to see.

Somewhere Ron Swanson is crying.

 

[captive]

What are you talking about? Are you actually reading what's being said here?

Its Deacon, facts never get in the way of a good story!

I think people would be shocked at how many people defending Brady aren't Patriots fans. Personally, I'm shocked at how many people trusted (are still trusting?) the league after we've seen Goodell repeatedly botch investigations.

Yup. Texans fan here. League fucked up royally.

I'm a Rams fan here.

I in no way absolve the Patriots of any guilt, because we just don't know, but it was clear thet there was never any real evidence that they cheated. It's fucked up how the NFL can just run a witch hunt, punish teams, and suspend players with no threat of repercussion, and I'm glad it's blowing up in his face.

Goodell should have been fired after the Ray Rice incident.

Yea except this is my problem with this, no one gives a fuck about the deflation or inflation of footballs. As Gigglepoo just posted even when its come up before, there were minor fines.

Other QBs have admitted to deflating balls and no one cares, until its Tom Brady.

 

[Late Flag]

How is it clear? In any of the text messages did Brady ever say anything about deflating footballs? In the millions of emails released? How about in the Patriot phones which were given to the investigation, including Bill Belichicks?

Again, how is it clear?

Talking about seeing ghosts ...

The text messages absolutely cemented it for me.

Basically, the Colts predicted in advance of the game that NE's balls would be light. They picked one off, and indeed, it was light. Most of the NE's other balls turned out to be light too. And then we spent a bunch of time learning all about the ideal gas law and how weather factors might affect pressure, and so on, and that was all very interesting.

Until we found out that a guy who nicknamed himself "The Deflator" and who texted a lot about ball pressure and needles made a special point to be alone with his team's footballs after they were inspected. Admittedly, that part is all circumstantial evidence, but come on.

 

[Elwood Blues]

First pat fans said Brady wouldn't get suspended because Goodell was a puppet of Kraft. Then pat fans fans said the suspension would be reduced to nothing on appeal because of Kraft backroom deal. Now pat fans are suddenly law experts. I trust pat fans legal analysis as much as I trust Tom Brady to play football fairly.

 

[ampere]

I think Brady is gonna be really mad. He's going to throw a lot of balls this year and other teams will be scared.

 

[googleplex]

First pat fans said Brady wouldn't get suspended because Goodell was a puppet of Kraft. Then pat fans fans said the suspension would be reduced to nothing on appeal because of Kraft backroom deal. Now pat fans are suddenly law experts. I trust pat fans legal analysis as much as I trust Tom Brady to play football fairly.

Dude cheated and now he and his team are paying for it.

End of story.

 

[ParityBit]

The text messages absolutely cemented it for me.

Basically, the Colts predicted in advance of the game that NE's balls would be light. They picked one off, and indeed, it was light. Most of the NE's other balls turned out to be light too. And then we spent a bunch of time learning all about the ideal gas law and how weather factors might affect pressure, and so on, and that was all very interesting.

What about the 3 out of 4 Colts balls that were light? Did the Colts deflate those?

Until we found out that a guy who nicknamed himself "The Deflator" and who texted a lot about ball pressure and needles made a special point to be alone with his team's footballs after they were inspected. Admittedly, that part is all circumstantial evidence, but come on.

So based on circumstantial evidence you can clearly make a link from a guy who calls himself the deflator to Tom Brady telling someone to deflate a ball? ... and while he was at it, he worked on the Colts balls too.

Once again ... this was all done though telepathy, because there is no evidence of any communication linking the two together.

Your cement is is weaker than Payton Manning's arm

 

[BronsonLee]

Dude cheated and now he and his team are paying for it.

End of story.

That story is shit, though. The NFL basically went 'oh, we think you did it...so fuck you forever'

That's a horrible precedent to set

 

[spyder_ur]

I think Brady comes off pretty well in those emails to be honest. Polite and responsive to whoever he was talking to except those fuckers at the pool cover store who had it coming anyways. And no smoking gun.

I didn't realize he had commissioned this even before the appeal hearing. Uncooperative my ass. Wasn't mentioned in the Goodell appeal decision at all, I don't think.

 

[oatmeal]

Where's the emails

 

[Arc]

GAF loves science except when it supports the Patriots.

 

[Banana Aeon]

Dude cheated and now he and his team are paying for it.

End of story.

There is no evidence that he cheated.

Even if he did cheat, and he very well might have, if there is no evidence, there should be no punishment.

 

[ampere]

Dude cheated and now he and his team are paying for it.

End of story.

I'm glad you had this insight to offer

That story is shit, though. The NFL basically went 'oh, we think you did it...so fuck you forever'

That's a horrible precedent to set

It's mostly politics. 31 of Goodell's 32 bosses are thrilled with the deflategate rulings.

 

[Late Flag]

So based on circumstantial evidence you can clearly make a link from a guy who calls himself the deflator to Tom Brady telling someone to deflate a ball?

Actually, yes. I don't find it credible that Brady wasn't generally aware (to use the league's terminology) of what was going on. I'm not an NFL QB of course, but they all seem to agree that they care a lot about ball preparation.

Did Bill Belichick have any idea that any of this was happening? He says he didn't, and I find that completely believable. But not with the QB, no.

 

[KHarvey16]

Actually, yes. I don't find it credible that Brady wasn't generally aware (to use the league's terminology) of what was going on. I'm not an NFL QB of course, but they all seem to agree that they care a lot about ball preparation.

Did Bill Belichick have any idea that any of this was happening? He says he didn't, and I find that completely believable. But not with the QB, no.

You're jumping here. Wasn't aware of what? It has not been established any footballs were deflated intentionally. In fact the data, when analyzed properly, suggests no tampering could have occurred.

 

[Quotient]

The text messages absolutely cemented it for me.

Basically, the Colts predicted in advance of the game that NE's balls would be light. They picked one off, and indeed, it was light. Most of the NE's other balls turned out to be light too. And then we spent a bunch of time learning all about the ideal gas law and how weather factors might affect pressure, and so on, and that was all very interesting.

Until we found out that a guy who nicknamed himself "The Deflator" and who texted a lot about ball pressure and needles made a special point to be alone with his team's footballs after they were inspected. Admittedly, that part is all circumstantial evidence, but come on.

Have you read the Wells report?

 

[ParityBit]

It's mostly politics. 31 of Goodell's 32 bosses are thrilled with the deflategate rulings.

I want a recount. This going public looks really bad for the NFL. Not with the case, but how things are run, how bad they look and how much egg is on the face of VP's. It is almost like the inmates are running the asylum. Along with the owners with the party bus and driving drunk/buying drugs!

Actually, yes. I don't find it credible that Brady wasn't generally aware (to use the league's terminology) of what was going on. I'm not an NFL QB of course, but they all seem to agree that they care a lot about ball preparation.

Did Bill Belichick have any idea that any of this was happening? He says he didn't, and I find that completely believable. But not with the QB, no.

Define "what was going on?"

So what say you about the 3 our of 4 Colt balls being deflated? So 9 of 12 (on average) for the colts to the 11 of 12 Patriot balls? Did Brady have the Colts equipment manager deflate those using commands communicated by telepathy because once again there is no evidence?

 

[Troy]

So the statement that both sides wanted the appeal hearing sealed was garbage. The NFLPA and Brady wanted it all made public so everyone could see what went on. The NFL refused. Then the NFL thought it was being incredibly smart by immediately filing in NY and the judge they got almost instantly made everything public. Stay winning, Goodell.

 

[The Albatross]

I think all this has established is that Brady can communicate telepathically which confirms that Brady is, in fact, a god.

 

[captive]

Dude cheated and now he and his team are paying for it.

End of story.

congrats on a shit post. Its not end of story, obviously, as its now in a court of law.

 

[DrForester]

Dude cheated and now he and his team are paying for it.

End of story.

Just proves that if there's one thing Goodell did right, it's expertly manipulating the press so the false narrative was spread as far as possible.

 

[hom3land]

So the statement that both sides wanted the appeal hearing sealed was garbage. The NFLPA and Brady wanted it all made public so everyone could see what went on. The NFL refused. Then the NFL thought it was being incredibly smart by immediately filing in NY and the judge they got almost instantly made everything public. Stay winning, Goodell.

The NFLPA never wanted it sealed. The judge told them to work together.. So in good spirits the NFLPA agreed to the nfls wish to have them sealed.

 

[Gigglepoo]

First pat fans said Brady wouldn't get suspended because Goodell was a puppet of Kraft. Then pat fans fans said the suspension would be reduced to nothing on appeal because of Kraft backroom deal. Now pat fans are suddenly law experts. I trust pat fans legal analysis as much as I trust Tom Brady to play football fairly.

Why do you keep saying "pats fans"?

 

[forgeforsaken]

First pat fans said Brady wouldn't get suspended because Goodell was a puppet of Kraft. Then pat fans fans said the suspension would be reduced to nothing on appeal because of Kraft backroom deal. Now pat fans are suddenly law experts.

I feel like that stuff was said more frequently by people that dislike the Patriots and are cynical about the NFL...

 

[turtle553]

congrats on a shit post. Its not end of story, obviously, as its now in a court of law.

The court case isn't about whether the balls were deflated or not, it is about whether Goodell had the authority to punish Brady for not cooperating fully.

 

[KHarvey16]

The court case isn't about whether the balls were deflated or not, it is about whether Goodell had the authority to punish Brady for not cooperating fully.

This case will absolutely look at whether there was a sufficient basis for punishment. It isn't the focus to prove whether or not footballs were deflated intentionally, but if it can be shown there is no viable evidence of course that will be important to this case.

 

[captive]

The court case isn't about whether the balls were deflated or not, it is about whether Goodell had the authority to punish Brady for not cooperating fully.

except that the dude posted "...and now they are paying for it end of story"

well, the court case may overturn that "paying for it" or in other words, the punishment.

 

[KingBroly]

This case will absolutely look at whether there was a sufficient basis for punishment. It isn't the focus to prove whether or not footballs were deflated intentionally, but if it can be shown there is no viable evidence of course that will be important to this case.

So if Brady wins, his suspension is overturned, right?

And if that's the case, I think his suspension is being overturned..

 

[Quotient]

So if Brady wins, his suspension is overturned, right?

And if that's the case, I think his suspension is being overturned..

There is no telling what the courts will do. Nothing is for certain.

 

[BronsonLee]

The courts will let Tom Brady choose.
Suspension lifted
Or he gets to pelt Roger Goodell with overinflated footballs for, like, an hour

 

[Quotient]

The courts will let Tom Brady choose.
Suspension lifted
Or he gets to pelt Roger Goodell with overinflated footballs for, like, an hour

Or maybe force Goodell to hand-stitch him a white pool cover.

 

[Roberto Duran]

Tom Brady doesn't pop molly, he rocks Tom Ford

 

[Lambtron]

Or he gets to pelt Roger Goodell with overinflated footballs for, like, an hour

fuckin watermelons comin

 

[rjc571]

It's always been clear that Troy Vincent has been salty about the Patriots since his playing and hasn't been professional enough to get over that working for the NFL. Amazing that he is in the position he's in.

He was allegedly given his current position with the NFL after he colluded with them by sharing privileged information about the Player's Association (who he was previously the president of). Source: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-09-01-nflpa-investigation_N.htm

 

[JCizzle]

I feel bad for Tom, his wife, Bridget and the kids. All this private shit aired publicly over nothing.

I wonder why he wouldn't volunteer his phone to these people HMMMMMM

 

[msdstc]

I guess roger stuck by 4 and the phone thing was a hail Mary? There have been so many momentum changes so its hard to say, but wow the NFL handled this in the worst way possible.

 

[LyleLanley]

Jonathan Kraft "as we've seen in last year that there is not the appreciation of science (in football) there should be."

Jonathan Krafts opening remarks at the Pats Hall of Fame

 

[ampere]

I guess roger stuck by 4 and the phone thing was a hail Mary? There have been so many momentum changes so its hard to say, but wow the NFL handled this in the worst way possible.

Remember when you said you wouldn't be a fan anymore after the Wells report

 

[not psycho]

So you've had ~350 pages of Brady's private emails released to the public today, all having such critical evidence as Brady discussing what pool cover to buy for him and Giselle's pool, and how the pool company only has black covers and no white covers (Brady = racist?)... And also private emails between him, Giselle, Bridget Moynihan, Tom's kids with Bridget, and so on.

ANd blogs are going through these emails and pulling out funny ones and posting them online... Like Tom trying to schedule a dinner with some NHL owner and how the owner wants him to talk to the team, etc.

It's all garbage.

So... Why wouldn't you want to give your private phone if you have nothing to hide? Because of shit like this. So far, in the 350+ pages of private emails that have been made public, there isn't anything about deflated footballs, or football in general, yet everybody gets to snoop into Tom Brady's private life reading emails with his ex-wife and current wife about his kids.

Eh, I'd give my phone to the NFL, whether they asked or not. In fact, I'm sending it right now. They seem like pretty good guys.

Goodell: Among other things, the unusual pattern of communication between Mr. Brady and Mr. Jastremski in the days following the AFC Championship Game cannot be readily explained as unrelated to conversations about the alleged tampering of game balls.

See? Astute observation by Goodell. It is very strange that Brady communicated with Jastremski in the days leading up to the Super Bowl, after the NFL released/supported fake info about deflated balls that Brady had no way to know was fake, and then claimed it wasn't about the balls.

It's not like Goodell would lie abou...

Brady: I don’t remember exactly what we discussed. But like I said, there was two things that were happening. One was the allegations which we were facing and the second was getting ready for the Super Bowl, which both of those have never happened before. So me talking to him about those things that were unprecedented, you know, he was the person that I would be communicating with.

Oh. Right. Goodell outright lied about what Brady said.

Just like he either released or let stand the outright lies about the deflated balls.

What we're left with is no evidence that the balls were deflated at all; in fact, all the evidence suggests they were not deflated. Brady would naturally ask Jastremski about it though because he had no way to know the reports were complete lies.

What are we doing any more? Goodell says "it's strange that Brady communicated with Jastremski and said it wasn't about the balls, so he must be guilty" and we're supposed to ignore that Brady never claimed it wasn't about the balls, and that it would be strange if he didn't communicate with Jastremski after the faked reports leaked (with at least implicit approval from the NFL, if they didn't fake them themselves)?

 

[Roberto Duran]

 

[Roberto Duran]

http://regressing.deadspin.com/the-nfls-dumbass-science-report-is-a-feature-not-a-bug-1722289874

 

[Gigglepoo]

I wonder how many NFL reporters are still going to trust the NFL after this. They've been lied to non-stop through this entire investigation and so many of them have following along, unquestioning, soiling their own reputation in the process.

It takes a spineless reporter to parrot what an NFL representative says without finding other sources to verify that info.

 

[Banana Aeon]

Wow...You literally would have to do the bare minimum of an investigation to come up with that conclusion.