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[SUPREME1]

Yes. Generally if they have a preference it's best to just go with that.

Ah, cool. I think I have a solid grasp about the whole situation.

Except now that someone said that Tom's wife is straight. That does not bode well for the long term sustainability of the marriage. She likes cock and I assume masculine behavior. What happens when Tom stops providing those things and other men start to push up on her?

I guess time will tell.

 

[coldvein]

Because his/her post reeks of ignorance and a lack of understanding.

i disagree. if i married a woman and one day that woman said she was really a man, or wanted to be a man, i'd also end the marriage right away. that doesn't make me ignorant.

 

[tiff]

why are you all scoffing at the "marriage built on lies" guy?

it's a safe bet that the wife went into the marriage with the idea that she was marrying a MAN, right?

Because the tone of the post seemed to accuse Gabel of deceiving her wife. If it was a lie and Gabel knew the truth, I would suspect she was lying to herself as much as her wife about her true gender. That's a pretty typical and understandable response when you start questioning something as fundamental to your being as your gender, though. It doesn't really make her some con artist.

 

[Perspicacity]

i disagree. if i married a woman and one day that woman said she was really a man, or wanted to be a man, i'd also end the marriage right away. that doesn't make me ignorant.

So then why did you marry a man in the first place? By that I mean, I really doubt that they entered into the marriage without Heather having any idea about Tom's gender dysphoria given that it seems to be something she's been struggling with for quite a long time.

I understand that most here prefer one gender or another and wouldn't want this spung on them "all of a sudden", but that doesn't give you free license to make assumptions or judgements about anyone else's relationship.

 

[Futureman]

So then why did you marry a man in the first place? By that I mean, I really doubt that they entered into the marriage without Heather having any idea about Tom's gender dysphoria given that it seems to be something she's been struggling with for quite a long time.

I understand that most here prefer one gender or another and wouldn't want this spung on them "all of a sudden", but that doesn't give you free license to make assumptions or judgements about anyone else's relationship.

Yea, I would say there is no doubt that she knew about his issues. I guess the big thing was when he had to tell her that he wanted to become a woman.

This is an interesting little 2 minutes video from the promotion of their last record. He is straight up asked if he cross dresses ha:
http://www.jbtvonline.com/interviews/against-me-identity-and-concept-albums

I wish RS wasn't a damn magazine and the article was just up on their site now. Wanna read it bad.

 

[Hansel]

My god, he's becoming a lesbian.

He is living the dream.

Beautiful.

 

[Femmeworth]

i disagree. if i married a woman and one day that woman said she was really a man, or wanted to be a man, i'd also end the marriage right away. that doesn't make me ignorant.

That sounds like a knee-jerk reaction to me, and those don't tend to be built on rational thought. The point is, there was likely no deception involved. We don't live in a society where people are always able to be who they really are or want to be.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Yea, I would say there is no doubt that she knew about his issues. I guess the big thing was when he had to tell her that he wanted to become a woman.

This is an interesting little 2 minutes video from the promotion of their last record. He is straight up asked if he cross dresses ha:
http://www.jbtvonline.com/interviews/against-me-identity-and-concept-albums

I wish RS wasn't a damn magazine and the article was just up on their site now. Wanna read it bad.

Brendan Kelly had him figured out before anyone else.

What a badass.

 

[Femmeworth]

Brendan Kelly had him figured out before anyone else.

What a badass.

Except being a crossdresser and being a transsexual are two different things. The interviewer was being rather immature.

 

[kruis]

My god, he's becoming a lesbian.

He is living the dream.

Beautiful.

Which makes Gabel a typical transsexual. The vast majority of all M2F transsexuals who discovered their transgender identity during adolescence and transition in their thirties or later are lesbian, while M2F transsexuals who showed signs of gender dysphoria as a young child and transitioned young are usually heterosexual.

 

[G-Fex]

Congrats on the singer doing this. I wish I was half as brave.

 

[Charoncaori]

Forgive me if this is rude, but what happens if they want to stay married? What happens if they live in a state where she can legally be recognized as a female? Is their marriage null and void at that point?

That's gotta be a huge legal headache.

 

[iirate]

Ah, cool. I think I have a solid grasp about the whole situation.

Except now that someone said that Tom's wife is straight. That does not bode well for the long term sustainability of the marriage. She likes cock and I assume masculine behavior. What happens when Tom stops providing those things and other men start to push up on her?

I guess time will tell.

Well, we don't know how long her wife has known. Chances are, the wife has known a lot longer than the public has, and they may have already worked through these issues. Many relationships don't survive a partner transitioning, but it isn't unheard of for them to work out, either.

My god, he's becoming a lesbian.

He is living the dream.

Beautiful.

Haha, as a trans lesbian, I'd hardly call this "the dream".

Spoiler

Yes, I know that you were probably kidding.

Forgive me if this is rude, but what happens if they want to stay married? What happens if they live in a state where she can legally be recognized as a female? Is their marriage null and void at that point?

That's gotta be a huge legal headache.

Unfortunately, for the most part, it is.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Except being a crossdresser and being a transsexual are two different things. The interviewer was being rather immature.

True. I just like Brendan Kelly

 

[Data West]

Except being a crossdresser and being a transsexual are two different things. The interviewer was being rather immature.

Tom and Brendan poke fun at each other all the time

 

[Platy]

My god, he's becoming a lesbian.

He is living the dream.

Beautiful.

She is living her dream ... but not exactly in the way you are thinking =P

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Tom and Brendan poke fun at each other all the time

They also share a blog and were going to be in a band together (The Falcon) until schedules conflicted or something like that.

Kelly has also come out in support of his friend.

 

[Buckethead]

Strangely enough, his wife kinda looks like she used to be a guy:

Wat

 

[Robot1X]

I just listened to The Disco Before the Breakdown and some of Reinventing on my way home tonight. And the more I think I about it, the happier I am for her. I'd imagine it must feel really liberating and exciting.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

They also share a blog and were going to be in a band together (The Falcon) until schedules conflicted or something like that.

Kelly has also come out in support of his friend.

There's a bit in the article where he mentions he drunkenly got a tattoo with "a buddy" that says "The Rambling Boys Of Pleasure". No points for guessing who that friend is.

 

[Hansel]

Which makes Gabel a typical transsexual. The vast majority of all M2F transsexuals who discovered their transgender identity during adolescence and transition in their thirties or later are lesbian, while M2F transsexuals who showed signs of gender dysphoria as a young child and transitioned young are usually heterosexual.

I did not know that.

Haha, as a trans lesbian, I'd hardly call this "the dream".

Spoiler

Yes, I know that you were probably kidding.

I was not.

 

[Futureman]

Are there any stats as to how prevalent it is per biological sex? Like are there more biological males with gender dysphoria than females? or is it pretty even? Maybe it's just random, but I feel like I hear way more about males wanting to become female than the other way around, but that might just be my ignorance.

Read the Gabel/Grace article and I really enjoyed it. I hope she can keep her family together and the band keeps rocking. I feel like this next record is going to be way better than their last two... but I guess we'll see.

They mentioned in the article the book "Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity" and I got it out at the library.

 

[Platy]

Are there any stats as to how prevalent it is per biological sex? Like are there more biological males with gender dysphoria than females? or is it pretty even? Maybe it's just random, but I feel like I hear way more about males wanting to become female than the other way around, but that might just be my ignorance.

There are more XY people with gender dysphori than XX people, but is closer to 2/3 to 1/3 stuff, not the 90% to 10% the media makes you think =P

I find it hilarious how movies and series ONLY show the MTF while totaly ignoring the FTM ... probably how media only show grly gay guys and almost nothing a butch female lesbian. Showing a male loosing privileges is hilarious, showing a female bodied person wanting to "steal" the male privilege is "wrong" =P

 

[Femmeworth]

There are more XY people with gender dysphori than XX people, but is closer to 2/3 to 1/3 stuff, not the 90% to 10% the media makes you think =P

I find it hilarious how movies and series ONLY show the MTF while totaly ignoring the FTM ... probably how media only show grly gay guys and almost nothing a butch female lesbian. Showing a male loosing privileges is hilarious, showing a female bodied person wanting to "steal" the male privilege is "wrong" =P

You should watch Boys Don't Cry.

 

[Platy]

You should watch Boys Don't Cry.

I watched ... and then I watched 387 movies with MTF =P

Also, it is not rare to find people who, because of this, thinks that Boys Don't Cry is a movie about a butch lesbian

 

[el retorno]

So the stone's article says he plans to continue with the band

And he did say this "However fierce our band was in the past, imagine me, six-foot-two, in heels, f---ing screaming into someone's face."

Not too worried about the band. Also their next album is about a transexual prositute so I'd imagine it has a bunch of autobiographical elements (not about the prositution obviously)

 

[el retorno]

Sorry to bump this but they performed their first show a few days ago with Laura.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/n...but-as-laura-jane-grace-in-san-diego-20120526

Seems to have gone pretty well.
Glad to see the band is making this work!

 

[Futureman]

is anyone going to see Laura Jane Grace Sings the Transgender Dysphoria Blues?

I live in Pittsburgh but I'm thinking of asking this chick to go with me to the Philly show.... Never been to Philly before.

here are the dates:

08/10 – Philadelphia, PA @ MilkBoy
08/11 – Boston, MA @ Brighton Music Hall
08/13 – Providence, RI @ Fete Lounge
08/14 – Washington, DC @ Rock and Roll Hotel
08/15 – Brooklyn, NY @ Knitting Factory
08/16 – New York, NY @ The Bowery Ballroom

Tix on sale 7/12.

Laura announced the record has finished tracking so it should be out soon. For those that haven't followed things, Fat Mike played bass on the record as Andrew dropped out of the band a few months back.