Just play "most affordable gateway to next-gen games" and you got it.
Tom Warren: XSS specs (20CU at 1.55Ghz ≈ 3.97TF, similar CPU to XSX, PCIe4 SSD ,, >250W, 10GB of ram and no disk drive)
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
xiseerht
Member
I don't understand the comments here . So everyone knew MS was going to have lower price system. Yet , everyone seems shocked that the lower price system , is also lower spec , you know , since it is lowered price. Games are going to run better on the Series X than the Series S , that is kinda the point. If not . why on Earth would I even by the Series X if Series S will perform the same ?
John Wick
Member
I wonder how it's going to handle RE8? With it being 4TF and the PS5 struggling with it(according to Dusk)
If 4k+ and high frame rates are important to you.
So the Series X was held back in ram department to have a 10 gb block of similar ram to the Series S. I guess this will make scaling easier? but another example of being held back. Starting to think The X only exists for Microsoft to claim the most powerful, but they really want the S to be in every household.
xiseerht
Member
Well, It happens on the Nintendo Switch and the Nintendo Switch Lite. There are some games that don't work on the Lite. Same thing with New 3DS and the normal 3DS
PC gaming benchmarks show going from 4K to 1080p gets you around 3x more performance. Obviously it will be more effort to support an extra platform.
T-Cake
Member
Because the Xbox One X has 12GB RAM (9.5GB useable). If the XSS has 7.5GB useable then it is 2GB short. Some games like Assassin's Creed Origins make use of the extra RAM, such as for the eagle mode.
Phrixotrichus
Banned
You realize that you are talking about games develped for console hardware then ported to PC and upscaled from there? And even PC only games are never targeting the high end hardware...they can just be scaled up.
Which was exactly my point......
You usually don`t develop high end=>low end but the other way around. Baseline is always the defining factor in scope.
Last edited:
From what I read Dusk didn't suggest it was an ongoing issue, exactly the opposite in fact. Besides, the Series S wouldn't be targeting 4K, would it?
xiseerht
Member
That is the point You know the Series X will run better than the Series S . So I am perfectly cool with Series X having a higher price point.
Agnostic2020
Member
Exactly. U r correct. He was saying otherwise.
ne1butu
Member
So with this logic nobody is going to buy the series X?
longdi
Banned
No worries, the fast SSD with HW i/o compression will help.
Ellery
Member
As with the price, and the chicken dance around it, they are extremely afraid of public perception, because both have seen how the most vital point of a consoles success happened 5 months before they were released.
Yes the famous E3 of 2013 where Playstation whopped in at $399 and the Xbox One at $499 was basically DOA.
Both are extremely afraid of making the first move. I bet they are both sweating in their offices waiting for the other to make the first move. And Phil Spencer wants to have the cheaper Series S as a trap card.
Ar¢tos
Member
This is the most important aspect. I think it is dead on arrival just because of this.
A budget console that doesn't consider the behaviour of budget buyers.
Stilton Disco
Member
I think it's more a case of while we knew it was going to be compromised to cater to a lower price point, seeing indications of how compromised and what potential knock on effects that could have for games is much more contentious.
We've got people here thinking it won't run all next gen games, people thinking it will hold back XSX development to cater to these lower specs, that XSS games will run like crap because of being downported, while others are certain it will be identical to XSX bar a drop in resolution.
There's just too many variables and unknowns for anyone to have a clear idea of what this thing is going to mean for games or how it will be received by the public, so we're getting a lot of speculation and new thoughts in here.
Ulysses 31
Member
Seriously doubt 8K gaming will be common enough to be called a target on the XSX.
Sorc3r3r
Member
It will, but it will neglected and denied against every evidence.
Stilton Disco
Member
That's been shown to be a bunch of bollocks by an Xbox fan boy, trying to balance the 'bad news' MS has been having lately.
You buy the more expensive version of the xbox. Was that really that difficult to comprehend?
FunkMiller
Banned
Welp. That's my interest in this gone. If it had included a 4k blu ray drive it would have been a definite purchase, but as it stands, I don't really need this console, as my PC is still adequate.
FlyyGOD
Member
Someone really doesn't understand the concept of newer more advanced technology. RNDA 2 , faster cpu and GDDR6 RAM and you think ps4 or one x are superior ?
Raonak
Banned
True Nintendo do it, but it's rare.
I guess it goes inline with Microsoft's no generations philosophy.
Interesting that digital only means they can avoid some confusion.
As there will be no series X exclusives games in the digital storefront.
Last edited:
existensmaximum
Member
It till also probably have other hardware enhancements, customization etc that will add to the difference in favor of the XSX.
pasterpl
Member
I disagree.
If the average customer is presented with 3 (or more) price options, they tend to go to the middle. Companies will deliberately scale their services to take advantage of this. The $x.99 trick on prices is another example of leveraging psychology against customers.
In this hypothetical scenario
XsS - lowest price, lowest specs
PS5 - midrange price, much higher specs
XsX - highest price, even higher specs
The problem shows up if PS5 is a big jump from XsS, but XsX is not as big of a jump over PS5. Customers will "settle" for a midrange option that is "good enough" in terms of power. Brand reputation plays another huge role here. An example would be going to a quik lube or a car wash. The cheapest option is $7, the PREMIUM is $9, and the ULTRA PREMIUM is $17. It is likely that the PREMIUM will get the most sales as it is priced only a bit higher than the normal, and for a vanity service people tend to forget the $ cost.
5 Psychological Hacks That Will Make Your Pricing Page Irresistible | MarTech
How do you get your customers to make the right buying decision? Columnist Neil Patel explores the persuasive powers of the pricing page.marketingland.com
Microsoft is hoping to squeeze Sony out by offering the cheapest as well as the most powerful option. This is not a controversial observation. However, it is plausible this will work against them, as Sony offers one unified SKU and Microsoft offers two, in addition to the "middle pick" psychological issue mentioned above.
but we already know that ps5 will have 2 sku's de and standard one
Stilton Disco
Member
Even if it weren't, those mid gen refresh systems were always held back by the base PS4 and XO.
Even if the XSS is holding back the XSX, games built with it's specs in mind would still be significantly better than games on PS4Pro and XSX.
Last edited:
Agnostic2020
Member
Except it doesn't and thats why xss is BC with x1s version .if it was helping they would allow it to play x1x versions. Which didn't happen.
xiseerht
Member
I do agree with you. Personally , I would have just had Series X with a disk drive , and the Series S with no disk drive. and same specs
Great Hair
Banned
How can it be backwards compatible with every previous xbox console, if the damn thing does not come with a drive?! Are the fans getting a free digital copy of Conker Reloaded, for each game they own?
No drive = No BC (physical copies)
No drive = No BC (physical copies)
loktaiextatus
Member
New 3ds has like.... two or three exclusive games. Potential never tapped, sad.
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
Nope. A small percentage of gamers, be that 10 percent or 49 percent, value high end visuals.
The masses are playing Fortnite, Minecraft, League of Legends, and CSGO. Fun and value are way more important outside of these enthusiast forums. MS understood this better than Sony and they'll reap the benefit.
xiseerht
Member
That is not false advertising. You can play Horizon 2 and 3 on the Series S. As long as you have the digital version
loktaiextatus
Member
No physical bc, but all the bc games on one are on the store. It downloads them it doesn't play them from the disc. This means if you want them, sell your physical copy I guess to buy digital.
Looks like it's either stick with my one X or shell out for the series X for me, or I lose my few old games/re buy the games I own.
Birdo
Banned
Technically. Only if you already have it.
To those new to the XBox, they can't play all Xbox One games on it.
They will need to be careful how they word that. Like "Plays all Digital Xbox One Games"
Last edited:
xiseerht
Member
Yeah , I think there are going to be a few games many like Flight Sim , that may not run on the Series S or maybe the next big RPG .
recursive
Member
I can get on board with your first point but COVID has nothing to do with MS release plans for the series S.
existensmaximum
Member
Yeah, it seems they're expecting every buyer to get gamepass.
3liteDragon
Member
[deleted]
Last edited:
Smoke6
Member
What's funny is that in the tech threads y'all all still speculating on the superior platforms specs, but when it comes to this console y'all have all the definite answers!!!
there's no way real nex gen games will work on this console like you claim without some kinda major compromises!
1. This is not official Microsoft spec sheet.
2. Yes, if you own FH2 or FH3 digitally, you can still play them on Lockhart
...It's like bitching that you won't be able to play PS4 discs on PS5 DE
GHG
Member
It would be a hilarious turn of events of this is the console which the SSD secret sauce ends up benefiting most.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Failsoft and Fail Spencer just keep on giving