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[nssdigitalchumps]

Let's see if we can beat this sucker tonight (PS4).

http://www.twitch.tv/digitalchumps

 

[Mr.Marston]

I was afraid the Xbone version would be 60fps too. Looks like owners of that platform get the last laugh. Don't gave to deal with that soap opera look for a game that's MEANT to be played at closer to film frame rate.

But have fun with fast motion gameplay if that's your thing; me, I like my games to progress the medium and it won't happen at innapropriate frame rates meant for 2d games from the 90s

...

 

[simplythebest]

Rememeber Remember the 5th of November, when Polygon gave a lower score to CoD:Ghosts on PS4, citing "framerate consistency is paramount!"

If they don't enforce similar standards for inferior Xbox One multiplatform titles, then... Oh who am I kidding? We all know they've been compromised.

It only takes 750,000 bucks to do it.

 

[nssdigitalchumps]

It only takes 750,000 bucks to do it.

750,000... 7.5 (ps4 hardware review)....hmmm...

 

[Vizzeh]

I was afraid the Xbone version would be 60fps too. Looks like owners of that platform get the last laugh. Don't have to deal with that soap opera look for a game that's MEANT to be played at closer to film frame rate.

But have fun with fast motion gameplay if that's your thing; me, I like my games to progress the medium and it won't happen at innapropriate frame rates meant for 2d games from the 90s

Pure comedy

 

[simplythebest]

750,000... 7.5 (ps4 hardware review)....hmmm...

Sorry, I'm not really good at math so you'll have to simplify that for me.

I was afraid the Xbone version would be 60fps too. Looks like owners of that platform get the last laugh. Don't have to deal with that soap opera look for a game that's MEANT to be played at closer to film frame rate.

But have fun with fast motion gameplay if that's your thing; me, I like my games to progress the medium and it won't happen at innapropriate frame rates meant for 2d games from the 90s

Oh boo hooo to you.

 

[Commanche Raisin Toast]

I was afraid the Xbone version would be 60fps too. Looks like owners of that platform get the last laugh. Don't have to deal with that soap opera look for a game that's MEANT to be played at closer to film frame rate.

But have fun with fast motion gameplay if that's your thing; me, I like my games to progress the medium and it won't happen at innapropriate frame rates meant for 2d games from the 90s

if it was *meant* to be closer to the film framerate the developers would have put a 30fps cap on the framerate, wouldn't they?

the higher framerate doesn't hold back the medium anymore than HD versions of movies have held back the film industry. (although it's a decent argument when talking about porn) if you enjoy your version then no need to be so sour grapes about owners of the other platform enjoying the better performance.

 

[googleplex]

IQ is flawless IMO

If every next-gen game looked like this and they locked the performance at 60 fps, Next-gen would be worth it 20050505%

Dude.. Stop it. You're starting to get me hyped for this game.

 

[oSoLucky]

Got looked at funny when I asked for this today in Toronto. Tuesday, they said

I did too, until I told them to ask around. So they called and the response that I got was "Oh, um well I guess all the other stores in the area are selling them, so I guess we are too" and then got my copy.

 

[MMaRsu]

I was afraid the Xbone version would be 60fps too. Looks like owners of that platform get the last laugh. Don't have to deal with that soap opera look for a game that's MEANT to be played at closer to film frame rate.

But have fun with fast motion gameplay if that's your thing; me, I like my games to progress the medium and it won't happen at innapropriate frame rates meant for 2d games from the 90s

Best fake troll ever! Hilarious bro .

Spoiler

You aren't serious tho right?

 

[simplythebest]

Let's see if we can beat this sucker tonight (PS4).

http://www.twitch.tv/digitalchumps

You're dying too much in the stream.

 

[zebaz08]

I was afraid the Xbone version would be 60fps too. Looks like owners of that platform get the last laugh. Don't have to deal with that soap opera look for a game that's MEANT to be played at closer to film frame rate.

But have fun with fast motion gameplay if that's your thing; me, I like my games to progress the medium and it won't happen at innapropriate frame rates meant for 2d games from the 90s

not sure if serious

 

[Codeblew]

They are always this way...all the PC specific forums and gaming forums i am a member at, same BS. The second i tell them i also really love gaming on consoles too...they are the first to start all the BS and if someone EVER mentions that a next gen console is better at "anything" gaming related..Oh man you better watch out..lol.

Personally it shows a lack of "real" appreciation for gaming as a whole. I have a pretty damn good gaming PC but i would be a F'n fool to say the PS4 will not bring some games to the table the will raise the bar in some way relating to graphics. I know it will..

Its like the biased PC gamer refuses to give a "inch" of respect for the things the PS4 can do or will be able to do. Shows so much immaturity and a lack of "passion" for gaming.

Yeah, it is funny how superior some of these PC gamer's feel. I have been gaming since the 2600 and have had just about everything since. Learned to program on the Atari400 and then the C64, AtariST, various Apples, Amiga and then PC's. Built PC's back when hardly anybody knew how to and gamed on those. There were no websites that walked you through it like a 10 year old.

These days, I work on PC 6-12 hours a day coding. When I have a block of time to game, I like to do it chilling out on the couch and not having to waste time updating/configuring drivers and .ini files, etc... Put the disc in and goooooooooo.

 

[Chobel]

I was afraid the Xbone version would be 60fps too. Looks like owners of that platform get the last laugh. Don't have to deal with that soap opera look for a game that's MEANT to be played at closer to film frame rate.

But have fun with fast motion gameplay if that's your thing; me, I like my games to progress the medium and it won't happen at innapropriate frame rates meant for 2d games from the 90s

10/10

 

[AgentOtaku]

Wish this would have been the default outfit.

Mountaineer Lara is best Lara...

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Phil Kollar, who's reviewing the game for Polygon, has already said he can't easily see the difference between 30 and 60 fps. You can guess how that review's gonna go.

If you can't tell the difference then you shouldn't be reviewing games in the first place. I can understAnd to some extent not being able to tell upscaled 720p vs native 1080p. Especially on a smaller screen. But not being able to tell 30fps vs 60fps as a game reviewer is simply bullshit.

 

[tbm24]

That outfit is too clean. I prefer to use archery Lara. Further bring home the fact that I drill arrows in enemies heads like the Predator.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Wish this would have been the default outfit.

Mountaineer Lara is best Lara...

So Eddie Bauer

 

[HORRORSHØW]

Did they improve the parachute sequence? That shit made me rage.

 

[Skeff]

From the review -"For a multiplayer shooter, framerate consistency is paramount."

I agree with that

How would you categorize tomb raiders multiplayer?

Then again we've already had a lack of comments on BF4, which has a more consistent framerate on PS4, but meh....that's not important.

 

[Coolbgdog12]

I was afraid the Xbone version would be 60fps too. Looks like owners of that platform get the last laugh. Don't have to deal with that soap opera look for a game that's MEANT to be played at closer to film frame rate.

But have fun with fast motion gameplay if that's your thing; me, I like my games to progress the medium and it won't happen at innapropriate frame rates meant for 2d games from the 90s

 

[Inferno313]

How would you categorize tomb raiders multiplayer?

Then again we've already had a lack of comments on BF4, which has a more consistent framerate on PS4, but meh....that's not important.

Even if the framerate were a perfect 60 in Tomb Raider's multiplayer it's not worth playing.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Heh, I've only played a little bit of the game but it's been mostly 60 for me. When I got out into the woods I think it went down a little but not by much and that's where I've stopped.

Yeah I noticed too but it's very subtle. I'm like 2-3 hrs in and so far it's been very good on the ps4. I haven't felt a sudden drop during combat. That usually annoys the shit out of me.

 

[Toa TAK]

Wish this would have been the default outfit.

Mountaineer Lara is best Lara...

Don't you mean Aviator Jacket Lara?

 

[Xis]

I was afraid the Xbone version would be 60fps too. Looks like owners of that platform get the last laugh. Don't have to deal with that soap opera look for a game that's MEANT to be played at closer to film frame rate.

But have fun with fast motion gameplay if that's your thing; me, I like my games to progress the medium and it won't happen at innapropriate frame rates meant for 2d games from the 90s

Square Enix just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about frame rates (I'm an expert), but film is a big part of it. It's not like it is a soap opera where you can become successful by displaying 60 frames per second. If you show too many frames it loses all the magic.

What this means is the game playing public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Tomb Raider for either system, nor will they purchase any of Square's Enix games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square Enix has alienated an entire market with this move.

Square Enix, publicly apologize and cancel 60FPs for PS4 or you can kiss your business goodbye.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

30 vs 60fps locked is very noticeable and almost everyone that knows whats up should be able to see it.
(except maybe for cases like witcher 2 that make good use of motion blure etc. but that is a different story)

Now, 30-45 vs 40-60fps is not a very noticeable difference because the fps keep changing on both platforms and are a mess either way.

Stop giving reviewers shit for stuff like this and save that for when they actually aren't doing their job properly.

These framerates are getting progressively more ridiculous. Stop adjusting the framerate range to suit your argument. The X1 is around 30fps and the PS4 is around 60fps. Just accept it.

 

[Chobel]

Square Enix just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about frame rates (I'm an expert), but film is a big part of it. It's not like it is a soap opera where you can become successful by displaying 60 frames per second. If you show too many frames it loses all the magic.

What this means is the game playing public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Tomb Raider for either system, nor will they purchase any of Square's Enix games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square Enix has alienated an entire market with this move.

Square Enix, publicly apologize and cancel 60fps for PS4 or you can kiss your business goodbye.

Just change FFXIII to 60fps and you're good to go.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I was afraid the Xbone version would be 60fps too. Looks like owners of that platform get the last laugh. Don't have to deal with that soap opera look for a game that's MEANT to be played at closer to film frame rate.

But have fun with fast motion gameplay if that's your thing; me, I like my games to progress the medium and it won't happen at innapropriate frame rates meant for 2d games from the 90s

At times the disparity between the consoles throws up comedy gold.

 

[tbm24]

These framerates are getting progressively more ridiculous. Stop adjusting the framerate range to suit your argument. The X1 is around 30fps and the PS4 is around 60fps. Just accept it.

At this point I think everyone, including you, should simply refrain from stating their framerate range as fact until there is actually an analysis to base these assumptions.

 

[PhatSaqs]

These framerates are the getting progressively more ridiculous. Stop adjusting the framerate range to suit your argument. The X1 is around 30fps and the PS4 is around 60fps. Just accept it.

Because...... You've played both.... Right? Just asking?

 

[Bgamer90]

So if Both framerates are varying but one is slightly lower than the other, the review score shouldn't be lowered? In that case you should read the Polygon Ghosts review where the PS4 version is docked points for having a slightly lower framerate at times.

The problem is the hypocrisy.

Not really. Some people notice the difference in frame rate more in certain games and/or genres more than others. For me personally, I wouldn't have known that Forza Horizon was 30 FPS if it wasn't for articles stating it before the game released. It felt similar to Forza 4 to me to be honest.

Sports games though, I definitely notice the difference. Skate 1 vs. Skate 2; Madden 07 vs. Madden 08; etc.

Noticing more of a frame rate difference for a fast paced shooter like COD vs. a single player game like Tomb Raider would make sense to me but I still haven't played next gen Tomb Raider yet.

Anyway, it just depends on the person reviewing it. There's information out there already that Tomb Raider runs at a higher frame rate on the PS4. I don't see why some here need a review score to reflect what they already know about a game they were going to buy either way (or already own).

 

[Xis]

Just change FFXIII to 60fps and you're good to go.

Oops! Great suggest.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

At this point I think everyone, including you, should simply refrain from stating their framerate range as fact until there is actually an analysis to base these assumptions.

Or perhaps take the word of the developer and the person who asked because he suspected it WAS 60fps on the PS4? Three reviews have also said the framerate on the X1 is lower. I'll concede that perhaps it's higher than 30 but lowering the PS4 framerate to 40 and upping the X1 framerate to 45, which suggests at times the X1 runs better, is just plain stupid. The logic is totally flawed because IF the X1 ran at 45fps (IF) then that would have to be a situation when not much was going on, and in that same situation on the PS4, it would run at bang on 60fps.

 

[LanceX2]

These framerates are getting progressively more ridiculous. Stop adjusting the framerate range to suit your argument. The X1 is around 30fps and the PS4 is around 60fps. Just accept it.

...but you are wrong. So far it seems x1 is above 30 for most of the game then drops in 30s in big scenes
its no different then you stating the ps4 is 60. Its only 60 when nothing is going on, it drops to 50s and 40s in bed g scenes

but go ahead and claim double fps but it is a fact it is not

 

[ItIsOkBro]

These framerates are getting progressively more ridiculous. Stop adjusting the framerate range to suit your argument.

Tbh, XB1 is at best 45fps while PS4 at worst 45fps so I'd say it's about even.

 

[simplythebest]

At this point I think everyone, including you, should simply refrain from stating their framerate range as fact until there is actually an analysis to base these assumptions.

Get Leadbetter on the line then and let him know.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

We are playing games, and games can be very cinematic, but having frame rate dictate if the game is going to be cinematic or not doesn't sound right at all. In the end we aren't watching a movie, we are actively interacting with it, and this interaction can lead to a immersive experience when there is little/minimal latency and that right there can only be achieved if it's 60fps.

That being said I have been incredibly immersed in Naughty Dog's Uncharted trilogy and The Last of Us, Rocksteady's Batman Arkham Franchise and many more awesome games that were all 30fps on the PS3.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

The quality of this product (PS4) gives me a lot of hope for Thief. Kudos to SE/Eidos.

 

[Solid Samus]

Tbh, XB1 is at best 45fps while PS4 at worst 45fps so I'd say it's about even.

...but you are wrong. So far it seems x1 is above 30 for most of the game then drops in 30s in big scenes
its no different then you stating the ps4 is 60. Its only 60 when nothing is going on, it drops to 50s and 40s in bed g scenes

but go ahead and claim double fps but it is a fact it is not

Damn why does Digital Foundry even need all that fancy equipment and shit

they should just hire guys from GAF, these fuckers can sense framerate like it's goddamn Dragon Ball Z

 

[GDJustin]

Playing through this game again on PS4 for the first time since launch has just reinforced my super high opinion of it. Tomb Raider was my personal pick for 2013 GOTY.

Anyone that hasn't played it should absolutely pick it up on their next-gen console of choice.

 

[simplythebest]

How much money will the TR DE need to make for Square to consider it a success?

 

[AgentOtaku]

So Eddie Bauer

Yes then

Lara Croft "Eddie Bauer Edition"™

Don't you mean Aviator Jacket Lara?

I tend to rotate between those two, yeah. I only discovered the Mountaineer outfit though with this edition of the game.

Also, pretty awesome how you can use the Vita's touchscreen to mimic the DS4 touchpad. Like for swiping, rotating items, etc.

 

[googleplex]

Tbh, XB1 is at best 45fps while PS4 at worst 45fps so I'd say it's about even.

What kinda of shit logic is this? The PS4 is 60 most game and drops.into the 50's occasionally during chaotic scenes. The Xbone goes up to 45 in.empty scenes. How the fuck that the same?

 

[Solid Samus]

How much money will the TR DE need to make for Square to consider it a success?

Less than Final Fantasy 13's engine that's for sure

 

[Sword Of Doom]

How much money will the TR DE need to make for Square to consider it a success?

They were smart to release this in the middle of a drought. I think they'll be happy with the sales

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Tbh, XB1 is at best 45fps while PS4 at worst 45fps so I'd say it's about even.

No it isn't even. Dear God why can't you see the massive flaw in your thinking? Let's say you are right and sometimes both consoles hit 45fps. That would be when the X1 has very little to handle and when the PS4 has the most to handle. You can't compare the numbers of one console when it's least stressed to another console when it's most stressed. It's ridiculous. Let me put it another way in the hope to get it through: When the X1 is least stressed, it would hit 45fps and when the PS4 is least stressed it would hit 60fps. When the X1 is most stressed it would hit 30fps and when the PS4 is most stressed it would hit 45fps. Now that should clear it up for you.

the developer said it held at 60fps most of the time on the PS4 but 'occasionally' dipped below that when the scenes get more complex. He can't be any clearer than that. Now all we need to know is what the base resolution of the X1 is although an insider has said 30fps. Maybe it's higher, you could be right but that still wouldn't change the fact that the PS4 has better framerates. We know it's not 60fps on the X1 because reviewers have already noticed it isn't.

 

[Nightengale]

What kinda of shit logic is this? The PS4 is 60 most game and drops.into the 50's occasionally during chaotic scenes. The Xbone goes up to 45 in.empty scenes. How the fuck that the same?

It's a joke.

I think.

Should be.

 

[DirgeExtinction]

...but you are wrong. So far it seems x1 is above 30 for most of the game then drops in 30s in big scenes
its no different then you stating the ps4 is 60. Its only 60 when nothing is going on, it drops to 50s and 40s in bed g scenes

but go ahead and claim double fps but it is a fact it is not

So what about the review on USGAMER that mentions the XB1 version hovering around 30fps most of the time, while reaching about 45fps in the most stationary scenes? And the PS4 version hovering around 60fps most of the time while dipping to ~50fps(maybe 45fps) during very heavy moments?

 

[cb1115]

I'm not sure if it's the animation or just the variable frame rate, but it seems like this game stutters a lot.

 

[R3TRODYCE]

I'm not sure if it's the animation or just the variable frame rate, but it seems like this game stutters a lot.

I only had stuttering when it was loading.